Minisys-Linux Muppy 008.3 F (July, 12th, 2008)

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#31 Post by MU »

nice2k wrote:Thanks for the embryo :)
Only "problem" I have, (german version of embryo) that there seems to be no opera installed. "defaultbrowser" cannot find it.
Now I've installed firefox instead, just wondering what is wrong with it ;)
Yes, I must update the website.
Opera is included only in Server, not in Embryo, to keep Embryo small.
You can download/extract the build-system for Embryo/Server (see first message).
Then copy all you need from /sfs-sources/packes-server/ to /sfs-sources/packages-base/
These 2 folders:
/Opera
/QT

Then create a new embryo by running
./build-embryo
./build-iso

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#32 Post by Broadway »

MU wrote: Broadway:

Is your msy_save.2fs located on a NTFS-drive? (from Windows).
At weekend, I installed it on a friends computer on a NTFS-drive (Windows XP).
I got the same message, but it seemed to work nevertheless.
I will create a NTFS-drive on my own computer to validate that.
Yes it is on a NTFS-drive.

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#33 Post by tlchost »

MU wrote: I currently use the build-system mentioned in the first message to create new Muppys.
I did not try the remaster yet.
Will have a look.
Thanks so much...since all I run/have is Live-CDs of Puppy, I don;t think I could use the build system.

Looking forward to being able to remaster this version....it's really very nice.

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#34 Post by nic2109 »

MU wrote:Opera is using Flash 7. As far as I know, Flash 9 is not supported yet by Opera.
That's pretty clear then!
MU wrote: If anybody knows, how to use Flash 9 with it, please let me know.
Let's hope that someone does know. Meanwhile; I'll give Firefox a try.

Thanks.

Later Additions Firefox from ttuuxxx's .pet is fine (as is SeaMonkey in Dingo by the way), so this news junkie can still get continuous fixes.

Two very minor "funnies" are also worth reporting.

1) The bottom of the ICE Dock is hidden by the lower bar unless you hide the upper bar when it jumps up by the width of the hidden bar.

2) The "Start" button on the upper bar behaves oddly. The first click is fine and behaves as expected; the second repeats the option selected first time; the next is OK; the next repeats the previous selection; and so on.
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#35 Post by MU »

HotPup:

Can someone, who has the problem, that the HotPup icons (your drives) are not arranged correctly, please attach the file:
/root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin

So when these icons are all "arranged" in the top left corner.

I am not able to reproduce the problem, maybe I find a hint in that file.
Please also tell me, what screen-resolution you use.

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#36 Post by GeorgR »

Sorry - I am not able to make the test.

At the beginning I can only start with a low resolution of 1280 * 800.
Icons were placed correctly.

After switching to nvidia driver muppy startet automatic in the native monitor resolution of 1920*1080.

But then the shit hit the fan:
- sometimes the mouse disappears
- the drive icons were placed in the upper left corner
- after some minutes muppy stopps all activities, only HW Reset helps

And in general: Desktop of 083 is realy overloaded. I think on the left and right side of the window is still some place for another status-, quickstart- or info bar. :D I am really confused.

Dont understand me wrong: I like the ensemble of programms You have integrated and of course I appreciat really Your efforts in providing us with a german version. But I am only a little bit disapointed because some days before Your launch of 083 I tried the first time Your 082 Version and was really surprised about this wonderful puppy derivat!.

Back to my awful computer Hardware:
NVIDIA 6150 chipset with onboard grafic
Puppy 4.0 (21.7) with NVIDEA driver
NVIDIA-100.14.19-k2.6.21.7.pet
is running very well in FullHD!

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#37 Post by Sage »

Sorry I cannot answer your question either, Mark, but I've had overlapping icons top left, too. Old nV GeF2 which I use for testing. The nV driver doesn't seem to work properly, but I think I saw it with XVESA, too. It can also happen with FULL installation - new positions of moved icons aren't saved upon subsequent boots. Can't systematise situation at present as working on too many projects. This was just to confirm it is a real effect.
Have also experienced liveCD crash using 1Gb mem and lots of Firefox tabs open, and FULL install crashes with (probably unavailable?) GXine TV stations and some xmms/streamtuner radio stations. Also getting double reception of BBCWorldService in GXine this evening.
Nevertheless, this is a mindblowing distro; sliced bread doesn't come any better (not sure whether that translates?!).

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#38 Post by MU »

Here is an Update from version 0083 to 0083b.
It is for MINI and STANDARD.
Install it ONLY, if you downloaded the first release of 0083.
The current Isos do NOT need this upgrade any more.
ftp://ks301128.kimsufi.com/Muppy0083/Up ... andard.pup
Size is 840 kb.
After installation, it would be recommended, to reboot.

It should fix:
- uses updated ntfs-3g driver, that shall fix bugs with NTFS-drives.
I also had to replace "/bin/mount" with a modified version from Dingo because of that.

- Rox now is closed on reboot, so that new icons that you add should be saved.

- HotPup :
- The settings utility now works
- NTFS-drives are mounted read/write
- I also modified the way, that HotPup determines the Screen-size.
Maybe that fixes the issue, that on some computers the icons were not arranged.
As I could not reproduce that issue, this is a guess only.
- duplicate home-icons should no longer appear.


- Minisys upgraded, fixed bugs in Calendar
- Samba shares now should work.

- epdfview and gxine in Mini: added missing libs.

- pburn: upgraded to 1.5.2, added missing language-files.
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Other issues:
Remaster bugs:
I could not reproduce, that files copied to /tmp/root are not added to the remastered iso.
I ran Muppy mini as frugal installation, without a save-file.
All files were added correctly.
The issue with NTFS-drives readonly should be fixed now.

NTFS-drives and save-file:
I still get error-messages at shutdown, like "Journal commit I/O Error" .
It seems to have no negative consequence though.
Please note, that also ext2 save-files were erratic.
Ext3 is more "verbose", that means you see more messages.
But it handles errors better.
A reboot or in very hard cases, after two reboots, you can work as usual.
For ext2, I had reports via Mail, where msy_save.2fs was completely broken.

I think these fixes are all I can do "quickly".
The other reported issues will be observed for the development of 008.4.

If you report success with the Update, I will rebuild all Isos tomorrow, so that they include the Update already (they also will inlude Sages suggested radiostations).

Please continue to post bugs you find, so that I can create further Updates, if required.

Mark
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#39 Post by tlchost »

MU wrote:
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Other issues:
Remaster bugs:
I could not reproduce, that files copied to /tmp/root are not added to the remastered iso.
I ran Muppy mini as frugal installation, without a save-file.
All files were added correctly.
The problem I noticed is with the LIVE-CD, if you add a directory in root. it is not remastered

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#40 Post by MU »

in /root , or in /tmp/root ?

I ran the remasterscript, and created a textfile in /tmp/root, when there was the dialog that offered, that now things can be added there.
Then, when it offered the dialog to create the iso and burn the CD, I cancelled.
I then copied the new /puppylivecdbuild/msy_083.sfs to /mnt/sda9/testmsy_083.sfs (if you do not rename it, you cannot mount it).
Then I could click on it in the filemanager to mount it, to check, if my file was included.

I also could try it with a directory tomorrow after some sleep.

Are files in /root remastered in a standard-Puppy? Never did a remaster before.

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#41 Post by tlchost »

MU wrote:in /root , or in /tmp/root ?

I ran the remasterscript, and created a textfile in /tmp/root, when there was the dialog that offered, that now things can be added there.
Then, when it offered the dialog to create the iso and burn the CD, I cancelled.
I copied a directory from /root/ to /tmp/root .... it really was there.
Used the remaster and did not burn a DVD, but created an .iso The dirtectory I added was not in the iso.

I'll try creating a live-dvd.

What's weird is that under .82 I can remaster with no problems.

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#42 Post by Sage »

Another strange effect is that after I closed down an app. and return to the Menu, sometimes the previously opened app. returns and must be re-closed before the Menu becomes accessible???

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#43 Post by tlchost »

Sage wrote:Another strange effect is that after I closed down an app. and return to the Menu, sometimes the previously opened app. returns and must be re-closed before the Menu becomes accessible???
Noticed the same thing here.

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#44 Post by Broadway »

MU wrote: The issue with NTFS-drives readonly should be fixed now.

NTFS-drives and save-file:
I still get error-messages at shutdown, like "Journal commit I/O Error" .
It seems to have no negative consequence though.
I just want to confirm this issue. The error-message is still present but I do not experience any negative consequences.

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ditto

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Sage wrote:Another strange effect is that after I closed down an app. and return to the Menu, sometimes the previously opened app. returns and must be re-closed before the Menu becomes accessible???
I've seen this also.

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#46 Post by MU »

updated all isos and addons.sfs with the latest patches.
Also Wine was upgraded to 0.9.61.
So do not install the Upgrade-Dotpup 0083-to-0083b , if you download those again.


Concerning the menu:
I will have a look on that, when I work on the menu-mechanism again.
If I find a solution soon, there will be another upgrade dotpup.
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#47 Post by Sage »

updated all isos and addons.sfs with the latest patches
Just to clarify that, Mark, if I download the same files again, as per your link on p.1, these will now be the patched versions? I ask because they haven't been renamed or annotated.

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#48 Post by MU »

yes, those are the same.
I just was too lazy to rewrite the links in the webpages for different names.
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#49 Post by Broadway »

The md5sum of the addons-DE_083.sfs I just downloaded is

8e5f1e13bce0d5bb70557bf32a47b866 addons-DE_083.sfs

and does not match the md5sum stated in the
addons-DE_083.sfs-md5sum.txt

Could someone please check this as my download was reported to be correct.

Thank you.

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#50 Post by MU »

8e5f1e13bce0d5bb70557bf32a47b866 is correct, the md5.txt was the old one, sorry.
Corrected it now.
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