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#196 Post by nooby »

Thanks Mark,

Unpolite of me to not make notation of the eror messages cause
if I give you url then it only says you live in Germany and me in Sweden so
the streaming media are only for us in Sweden due to copyright cost too much
to pay for the whole of EU?

But I remember it was Java in one of them and some add on to Mplayer in the other.

http://playrapport.se
http://nyhetskanalen.se
http://dr.dk but not sure what they wrote
but as I remember if failed.

I can test more this afternoon but will meet relatives now.

What I really liked was how it survived youtube in a way
that crash the other puppys. I have 1.5GB memory and it
never once crashed while regular Puppy do after some ten clips?
Especially if one go back in history to replay something.
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#197 Post by MU »

I just checked it 0084alpha05, but is uses Firefox3, Flash 10beta2 and Mplayerplugin 3.55.
Muppy 0083 uses older versions, I did not check it yet.
1.) ok
2.) cannot see it as german
3.) requires plugin.

I then activated the Mediaplayer-plugin in Muppys "internet" menu.
Now I can see the ms-asf livestream in dr.dk.

In Muppy 0083, please also try to activate that plugin for dr.dk.

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#198 Post by nooby »

First things first. Thanks indeed for wanting to help me.
such is appreciated indeed.

Could you describe how you did it. I mean if one click the wrong thing it will
make it impossible to set right again. I read a reviewer testing his Girlfriend and she pushed the wrong button. It is not so obvious for a noob as it maybe it is for the one used to do such and to succeed. If one never have
succeeded then it could be not obvious.

I don't criticise linux or puppy or muppy at all. I fail to set it up in firefox
in windows xp too. I use MsIE 7 when I look at the newschannel.

So give a little tip on where are you when you actuivate it?

Are you in the browser and go to tools and there do something
or are you at package manager and do some get pet for plugins?

it is 18.08 here. I do it today if you just tell me how.
I would love to stay with Puppy Muppy instead of using Nimblex.

I totallyu failed to make that one frugal install.

Muppy should be easy to do frugal would it not?
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#199 Post by MU »

No, it is in the Start-menu of Muppy on top of your screen.

It has the submenu: Internet.
That should have the entry: Mplayerplugin

If you start it, you get a dialog, and can choose "seamonkey" "firefox" "seamonkey+firefox".
So use "seamonkey+firefox".

Then exit Firefox and start it again.
Now videostreams are detected by the plugin.
I have set it up so, that the video will not show in Firefox itself.
Instead, Mplayer will be opened with it.
This makes it easier to run them fullscreen if desired.
Like this you also have access to all controls of Mplayer.

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#200 Post by MU »

concerning frugal install:
do you have a working Grub already?
If yes, please post the file /boot/grub/menu.lst.

This makes it easier to help you with the frugal install.

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#201 Post by nooby »

# GvR Sept 30th 2004
color black/cyan yellow/cyan
timeout=5
default=0

title Puppy 301 PcPuppyOS
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
kernel /puppy301/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy301
vga=normal keyb=se
initrd /puppy301/initrd.gz
boot

title Puppy Linux 4 orig
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy4orig/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy4orig
keyb=se
initrd (hd0,0)/puppy4orig/initrd.gz
boot

title Puppy Linux 4.00
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy400/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy400 keyb=se
initrd (hd0,0)/puppy400/initrd.gz
boot


title Nimblex 2008

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/base/vmlinuz-nx08 vga=normal max_loop=255 init=linuxrc load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 ramdisk_size=4444 root=/dev/ram0 rw autoexec=xconf2;startx from=/boot/
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/base/initrd-nx08.gz

title Windows XP SP2 Boot on HD 0
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
boot

#

thanks for the detaileddescription. I would have no chance knowing such on my own.
I'm a complete noob.

the thing on nimblex is my desperate attempt to mimic Gianni suggesting
something similar. But I failed so if you spot what went wrong I appreciate suggestions to set it right. It fails to find nimblex files.

I go to test muppy now. Back in 15 minutes
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#202 Post by MU »

Oh no idea about nimblex...

For Muppy you could use:

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title Muppy0083f
root (hd0,0) 
kernel /muppy0083f/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=muppy0083f acpi=force layerfs=aufs
initrd /muppy0083f/initrd.gz
So you had to copy from CD these files to /muppy0083f:
vmlinuz
initrd.gz
msy_083.sfs
zmsy_083.sfs


If you use the Mini, also download addons_083.sfs, but this must go to "/" of your Harddrive, NOT to /muppy0083f/.

Sidenote:
for Puppy 3, you do not use the option:
layerfs=aufs
You should add that, it fixes many bugs.
It also might be good for Puppy 4.

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#203 Post by nooby »

Thanks I did the change you suggested to the best of my knowledge and
I rebooted after that but playrapport still failed.
It says I need flashplugin I tried to add that from same menu place
and tested both opera and dillo and the third browser?

What now what goes wrong? I test dr.dk now.
is it opera I am supposed to use? Should I not go into
their tools or anything.
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#204 Post by MU »

Muppy has Opera and Dillo in the "Mini".
This Opera does not work with Flash 9. It also does not use the Mplayerplugin.
To use Flash 9, you need Firefox.

Firefox is in the "Standard/Live" version (700 MB).
If you have the Mini only (140 MB), then you need "addons_083.sfs".
As mentioned above, it must be placed in "/" of your hda1.
It also must be activated in the bootmanager (Startmenu - System - bootmanager - SFS modules).

If even Firefox fails, then you could try Muppy 0084alpha05.
Despite the alpha-status, it works quite well.
I just test some final issues, before it will go to the Beta-phase next week.
It has updated versions, and Opera there works with Flash 10beta2.

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#205 Post by nooby »

Oups I thought me had a good enough version. Over 500 meg that is big. :)
I mean I use puppy to be lean and mean. No offence. I guess it needs to be
that big to work.

So no use in making this one a frugal mode then.

So your bigger Mu is the more complete one then.

Is that one based on puppy 4.0 can I just delete the puppy 4
I have frugal now and add the files in your standard or most
accomplished one then.

I sure want the features. Your Muppy is kind of different.

I fail to find the shut down button on Opera. Usually it is
in upper rigth corner and you have stripepd it off? Same with
the other browsers. none had a close button on them.

It is so odd that I guess you have some estetic consideration.
But it is not practical. The body want to shut it down but there
is no button to do it with. I have to go to file and then after that
to quit. No criticism. You like to change thing?

what more will be unusual with it.
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#206 Post by MU »

if yours is over 500 MB, that it is the Standard/Live version with Firefox.
You can run firefox from "Startmenu - Internet".

I of course did not delete the close buttons :shock:
Could you post a screenshot please?
Startmenu - Grafics - mtpaint screenshot

Muppy 0084alpha you should install in a own folder.
It is not based on Puppy 4, but on Slackware 12.1/Gnomeslack and a modified Puppy 3. I is basically a version-upgrade of 0083.

You find version alpha 05 here:
ftp://ks301128.kimsufi.com/Muppy0084/Alpha-test/05/
General info, also for frugal installation:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31373

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#207 Post by nooby »

04??? I went to your home page english version and there was version 03
and I have already burnt the CD and was about to ask you what next
When I realize you talk about a revision of your best one :)

Where is the download link to that one then?

And when I have burned it and want to extract the four files and put them in
muppu008f folder.

so which one should I use. the 03 or the 04? are 04 that much better and tested that you rather recommend that one?

should I not test using the 03 I could do 04 tomorrow. Don't want to dl
04 now when I am so close to getting a frugal thing going.

So if I get it. I should write puppy acpi=force layerfs=aufs

before I load it or doesn't that matter for the four files?

Do I open two instances of a file handler? and drag and drop the four files to the folder from CD into sda1?

I go into the muppy live standard dvd now so it will take some ten minutes and read your answer here. Hope you ahve time. Thanks
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#208 Post by nooby »

So you had to copy from CD these files to /muppy0083f:
vmlinuz
initrd.gz
msy_083.sfs
zmsy_083.sfs

Would it be bad to add the other files too?

Does something bad happen if I add the others?

Ok I take them away then. I copied all of the four now and

are ready to test. The goodies should be in / ok I try to remember

the x11R7 something should that one be there too?
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#209 Post by MU »

This thread here deals with 0083 (current release: F).
It is the current stable, recommended version.
It can be downloaded from the homepage (english: http://minisys-linux.de/EN/).

That other thread deals with 0084Alpha (current release: Alpha05), which is not tested well.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31373
So I usually do not recommend it.

But as that new 0084alpha might solve your Streaming issues, I recommend, that you try it, too.
As I said, it is quite usable already, but you might find some more bugs than in 0083.
Play around with 0083F and 0084Alpha5, to see, which works better for you.
--------------------------------------
The goodies you do not need.
You downloaded them from the folder 0083c.
0083c is outdated, the files there just remain for people, that still use version 0083c.
You don't need them, because you have version F.
Please delete them, they could break things in F.

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#210 Post by nooby »

Writing from within frugal install of 803f and have now deleted the goodies and the x11R7 something.

Have tested youtube and it seems to work very well. Rock solid so far.
Sound worked out of the box and ethernet card out of the box and
so on.

So now I only have to do the activation of flash and the mplayer plug in.
should I use f7 ro f9?

How do I activate real player? .rm files.

Should I activate Java then in the menu -> internet or should that
be activated from within firefox? By looking for addons?

So much to learn.

But very happy me got frugal install seems to work without any trouble.

On the Desktop The weather something wanted to load but failed. Maybe only works if on live in Germany. How do I deactivated it. I pushed a lot of buttons
but it continued to want to load.

did you recommend one unmount the sda1 the HD before shutting down?

I have a vague memory someobdy talked about that thursday. But I saved
book mark in another place.

I should try to save them in my gmx.com email instead so I always can reach them or in a html file on the sda1 maybe

What more do I need to remember for to best use of your Muppy?

Thanks indeed for providing it and your sense for helping out.
Much appreciated. I guess me wait with the beta until this one
miss something me long for badly.
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#211 Post by MU »

So now I only have to do the activation of flash and the mplayer plug in.
should I use f7 ro f9?
Use Flash 9.
It supports far more sites.
Just in seldom cases it crashes, than activate Flash 7 to view the corresponding site.
Should I activate Java then in the menu -> internet or should that
be activated from within firefox? By looking for addons?
In Firefox.
Edit - preferences - Content (or similar, I have the german one).
There is a checkbox for Java.
On the Desktop The weather something wanted to load but failed. Maybe only works if on live in Germany. How do I deactivated it. I pushed a lot of buttons
Right-click the weather, - "configure desklet".
Change the location code to SWXX0031.
That is Stockholm.
Or visit http://www.weather.com. Enter a city in "Enter zip or US/Intl city".
Then you will see the online forecast.
In the locationbar of your browser you then can see the location code.

To remove the desklet:
Right-click - remove desklet.
did you recommend one unmount the sda1 the HD before shutting down?
I think you can't as it is in use by the savefiile.
Muppy will try to unmount it at shutdown.
What more do I need to remember for to best use of your Muppy?
Hard to say, just ask again if you need more info :)

Glad you ike it!
Mange takk.
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#212 Post by MU »

How do I activate real player? .rm files.
I think they will be recognized by the mplayer or realmedia plugin.
If not, please give me a link for testing.
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#213 Post by nooby »

To unmount the hd was not good. Crashed the x so I had to restart
xorg nd xwin too. Wow felt panic.

Weather is beautiful now. Thanks indeed.

I need to test more tomorrow. Looking promising this far.
will or could be my main puppy and linux in future then. :)

Glad you ike it!
Mange takk.
Mark

Don't temp me to try German.
We tried to learn it 1.5 years around 1972 not sure exact year.
Drei terminen? I habe keine worter in kopf unt meine grammar?
ist totally kaputt. Deutche Well in? Fernsehen Ich nie ferstehen
Sie sprechen ser snell und meine kopf ... fail to catch up but
that is how fail when looking at movies in English too. They talk
too fast. Written english I get fairly good. Not academic text but
normal in Chip if it had been in English and such But Chip in Deutch
me get most nil or zero. German grammar and me remember too
few words.

Gruss Gott?

thanks indeed for standing up for me here. I try to get on on my own
for a while to not overload your generosity.

Fred Werther

PS
No I don't have German relatives. Maybe in French speaking Belgium?
Swedish native here since 1650 I guess.
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#214 Post by MU »

not bad, if it was really so long ago :)
I can understand what you wrote, though it contains errors.

Ok, I will continue to test 0084 now.
Have a good time :)
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#215 Post by glocal »

MU wrote:
OK, I disabled nvidia-installer and or Muppywebcam but I am wondering why nvidia is loaded by default just in case it's necessary. I mean what are the chances a system will in fact have a nvidia card?
This is just a small shellscript that checks, if an nvidia-card is present.
I will not use many resources.
My impression is it runs at bootup to check of nvidia is present and exits. Is that true? If yes, I don't mind it running. It would make Muppy more portable, just in case I run it on a PC with nvidia.
I am still trying to figure out how to reduce the desktop icons to less than 50% even.
Look at /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/globicons to see, what icons are used.
Then you can scale them in Gimp.
Open in Gimp, choose "image - resample".
This sounds like attempting open heart surgery with an axe :) I wonder why there isn't a setting somewhere. I am also wondering if pinboard_image_scaling in /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Options would be relevant but I wouldn't touch it myself without knowing what it does for sure -- not now that I have a working Puppy :)
But my background-setter simulates a color by creating a bitmap with only one colour.
So it needs not many resources.
I may understand this the wrong way but if you create a bitmap of a single colour, it is still a bitmap that will be loaded. I don't see why it would be any different to any wallpaper resources-wise.
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