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Irihapeti · Guest

Juveno41

That's interesting - I don't recall getting that message when I was compiling scim, and I don't know why. (I might look into it later, but I'm not a programmer, either.)

A common way of dealing with lib files that aren't where you want them, is to make a link instead of copying. It does the same job, and takes up a bit less room in the pup_save file. In fact, I think that in Puppy217 the X11R6 directories are linked to the X11R7 ones (or vice versa - I'm not in Puppy at the moment and can't check).

And to RRK:

A very happy Tamil New Year (in advance).

RR Koothady · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 247 Location: Coimbatore, India

Thanks Irihapeti. Best Wishes Juveno41.

RRK

Juveno41 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 25

caka · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 202

Juveno41 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 25

Okay, I can see SCIM launched when I boot, I thought it was all done, but can't go any further.

I can launch SCIM Setup, but can't see Generic table. The only items I see are :
- SCIM
- FrontEnd -> Global Setup
- IMEngine -> Global Setup
- Panel -> GTK.

So I can't install tables.
And CTRL+Space doesn't work, of course.

I think I followed Irihapeti and RR Koothady's instructions one by one. Here's what I did :
(btw I'm using Puppy-3.01 Seamonkey with devx_301.sfs)

- set my locale to fr_FR, and checked the file '/etc/profile' and I found the line 'LANG=fr_FR'.

- copied 'libXaw95.so.7' to '/usr/local/bin' and installed 'libotf.so.0' in '/usr/local/lib'.

- installed the packages m17nlib, m17ndb, and m17n-SCIM RR Koothady offered. There were no dependency errors.

- installed scim-1.4.7-i486.pet, scim-bridge-0.4.15-i486.pet and scim-tables-0.5.8-i486.pet that I succesfully compiled :
1) for scim-1.4.7-i486.pet I did './configure --prefix=/usr'.
2) for scim-bridge-0.4.15-i486.pet I did './configure --prefix=/usr --disable-qt3-immodule --disable-qt4immodule'
3) for scim-tables-0.5.8-i486.pet I did just './configure' (I also tried './configure --prefix=/usr and it compiles well, but still doesn't work.)

then 'make; make install' for all three packages.

afterwards, I replaced '/usr/local/lib/scim-1.0/1.4.0/SetupUI/table-imengine-setup.so' by the one RR Koothady offered again.

Then I edited the following two files as Irihapeti and RR Koothady instructed :

1) here's the beginning of my '/root/.xinitrc' file, with the part I added.
#!/bin/sh
# $Xorg: xinitrc.cpp,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:54:30 cpqbld Exp $

. /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE

export XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM"
export GTK_IM_MODULE="scim-bridge"
export QT_IM_MODULE="scim-bridge"
export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
scim-bridge
.........................
.........................

2) and I added the following in '/root/.etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules' :

"/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/immodules/im-scim-bridge.so"
"scim-bridge" "SCIM Bridge Input Method" "" "" ""

Do you see any point I missed? Any comment would be of great help.

RR Koothady · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 247 Location: Coimbatore, India

Dear Juveno 41:

1. a) My experience (I mean past few days) with SCIM installation tells me setting the 'locale' to fr_FR or ta_IN (in my case) is not necessary in the first place.
b) Setting the 'locale' becomes mandatory if you wish to 'display' the User Interface in your own language - that is after you translate ~/.jwmrc and ~/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin and ?may be other files(I am just exploring this at present...)

2. a) Hence, for the present, the objective is to make a successful 'local language input' using SCIM and not translating the UI.
b) The first precondition for a successful input is to install a unicode font of your language in your system. This is installed at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf folder. This action makes the font available universally for all the applications.

3. I have tested SCIM successfully with many puplet versions of 3.01 now (Timxxine, Pupee, Standard 3.01). The steps are fairly clear:

i) Install m17n-lib dot pet first.
ii) m17n-db dot pet goes next.
iii) SCIM dot pet installation follows this.
iv) SCIM-m17n dot pet (this is nothing but a bridge) is installed after this.
v) SCIM Tables dot pet comes finally.
vi) Place the table-imengine-setup.so file at /usr/local/lib/scim-1.0/1.4.0/SetupUI.
vii) Place the script

RR Koothady · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 247 Location: Coimbatore, India

Hello Juveno!

Irihapeti · Guest

The whole idea of using scim-bridge is so that you don't have to be tied to a particular localisation to use its language. That's the problem with the chinese-input pet. I've found that changing locale to something non-English changes the default fonts used for things such as the code boxes on this forum, and the result is sometimes almost unreadable.

I've attached a version of the scim-bridge dotpet file, from which I have removed the scripts (don't know why I didn't think of this before Embarassed

)
The purpose of the scripts is to make the necessary alterations to .xinitrc and gtk.immodules. I'm new to this sort of thing and still unsure if I really know what I'm doing. Confused

As for my other question about using macrons for Māori, I found that the mouse/keyboard wizard lets me set up a second keyboard map and also a key combination so that I can switch easily between the two. If anyone wants further details, let me know - it's one of those things that's fairly simple, but not immediately obvious.

RR Koothady · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 247 Location: Coimbatore, India

Irihapeti:

Thanks very much for sharing scim-bridge dot pet.

Here are my results:

1. Installed SCIM dot pet.

2. Installed SCIM-Bridge dot pet.

- This showed the following message: "/usr/bin/scim-bridge has these missing lib files: libscim-1.0.so.8"
- However, I could find that file residing in: /usr/local/lib
- Hence I thought, they should be linked: I did the following in the terminal: ln /usr/bin/scim-bridge /usr/local/lib/libscim-1.0.so.8 [I do not know how to symlink and was anxious to rush forward for the time being and hence without reading tried this... is it ok? Do you symlink this way between 2 files?]

3. i) Checked whether table-imengine-setup.so is present at /usr/local/lib/scim-1.0/1.4.0/SetupUI - Answer: NO.
ii) Hence placed that file in that folder.

4) Installed SCIM Tables dot pet.

5) Place the script

RR Koothady · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 247 Location: Coimbatore, India

SCIM Bridge Installed in Tmxxine Puppy (based on Puppy 3.01)

Irihapeti · Guest

RRK:
I run Puppy 2.17, as I think I've mentioned, and the file system layout may well be different from 3.01. It might be possible to rearrange the files inside the .pet package, or to add a symlink, by following instructions here:
http://www.puppylinux.com/development/createpet.htm
and then repackage the .pet. As I don't have a copy of 3.01, I can't test/do it myself.

As for symlinking. I just tend to use the GUI option: right click on file->link->absolute link. I guess I'm a bit lazy. Smile

Scim-bridge definitely works with OpenOffice in Ubuntu. I don't have OO for Puppy yet, but I hope to get it shortly when my son downloads it over a much faster connection than I have. Then I can do some more testing.

At least, we have different ways of getting to the end result, which gives users options to try.

Juveno41 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 25

Okay I finally found the right thing to do to make scim-bridge work.:

First, install the SCIM package compiled with './configure' and not './configure --prefix=/usr'
(you already know that you have to link some files in '/usr/X11R7' and '/usr/lib' to do this.)

Then, to comiple scim-bridge, run a rxvt window, and execute the following lines when you are in its folder :
1) # export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
2) # export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH (not sure if this is needed)
3) # ./configure --disable-qt3-immodule --disable-qt4immodule (don't add --prefix=/usr.)

This build of scim-bridge doesn't give any dependency errors when I install it.

And you install scim-tables finally.

I don't have Open Office, so can't check it for now. assuming that my pet files are built correctly, they could work with Puppy 3.01... or not.

scim-bridge-0.4.15-i486.pet :
http://rapidshare.com/files/107365042/scim-bridge-0.4.15-i486.pet.html

I uploaded my scim and scim-tables pets too : with these builds, you don't need to install 'table-imengine-setup.so' seperately and the tables are added to SCIM by default, so it saves time.

scim-1.4.7-i486.pet : http://rapidshare.com/files/107350244/scim-1.4.7-i486.pet.html

scim-tables-0.5.8-i486.pet:
http://rapidshare.com/files/107350717/scim-tables-0.5.8-i486.pet.html

Ramesh and Irihapeti, thanks again for all your help.

Irihapeti · Guest

This is what I think is happening: Juveno41 and RR Koothady are running 3.01 and I'm running 2.17, and the configurations that work for 2.17 on my machine aren't suitable for 3.01.

So if anyone else wants to use these instructions and is perhaps feeling a bit confused, they can keep this in mind. (Unless someone else comes along and can show that I'm wrong. Smile

)

amitagroyee · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 10

Will u plz keep a single zip file of all the needed files. It is irritating to wait for download each file

I want to type in Hindi using the above mentioned method as it is the only reason why I still have to keep winxp in my computer

Amit

Irihapeti · Guest

amitagroyee:

If you would let us know what version of Puppy you are running, I can then tell you if the files I have would be useful to you. It appears that what works on Puppy 3.01 won't work on Puppy 2.17 and vice versa.