Starting Up "Living Water 3.01"

[PastorEd]

SWMgr: Can't find 'mods.conf' or 'mods.d'. Try setting:
SWORD_PATH=<directory containing mods.conf>
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(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: FTP: Copy ftp://ftp.crosswire.orgCould not find 'kio_ftp' executable.

Yeah, I know what causes both of these errors, and they are SIMPLE fixes.

First of all, the Sword libraries REQUIRE modules to work. In otherwords, it's like trying to use a dictionary without any words... that's not how it's designed.

to fix: use the "old school" method I described earlier...
1) mkdir ~/.sword/modules
2) mkdir ~/.sword/mods.d
3) unzip a RAW zipped file from crosswire.org/sword (like the ESV I recommended earlier)
4) oh, and you'll probably need to create a sword.conf file. It's usually kept in /etc, or ~/.sword. Here's what's in it:

Code: Select all

[Install]
DataPath=/usr/share/sword/

Once you have the modules installed, you'll stop getting the first error.

Second error: Well, Bibletime is looking for the kio_ftp program. And since you didn't install it with Bibletime (because it's technically NOT dependency to get the program to run), it's failing to find it.

So - you can either
a) try to get the kio_ftp installed, which might be bigger than you want
b) recommend that Puppy users install their Sword modules in RAW format
c) create Puppy-specific packages (which would just be repackaged RAW zip files)
d) hmmm... what about creating a Puppy-specific script that would use existing puppy FTP tools to grab the RAW files from the Sword website?

Hope that helps you with those errors!

KFJ - PastorEd

[ttuuxxx]

Ok the first part worked excellent I now have a bible listed and it opens up and displays the text plus a CDATA type of header?

this is the console output
# bibletime
kbuildsycoca running...
bibletime: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file khtml.rc
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "windows.count()" in bibletime_slots.cpp (466)
bibletime: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file khtml.rc
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: QFile::open: No file name specified
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: QFile::open: No file name specified
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "m" in cdisplaywindow.cpp (418)
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "module" in cinfodisplay.cpp (363)
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "module" in cinfodisplay.cpp (401)
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "m_popup" in cdisplay.cpp (213)
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "m_popup" in cdisplay.cpp (213)


As for scripting the ftp, I would know where to start.
It would be good if I could get the default ftp program working.
pet packages are possible but its kind of nice having it built into the software.

Thanks for all your help on the project.
ttuuxxx

[Subito Piano]

outta my league. i'll e-mail LOF. hopefully somebody will have the answer.

[ttuuxxx]

outta my league. i'll e-mail LOF. hopefully somebody will have the answer.

Yes I've been working on it and other KDE application's,
I actually started over on the latest KDE base, 4 Series.
I have the base working, and the latest K3B working, It took a lot of patience to get those 2 working. The only error on K3B is Hal, I don't think puppy has Hal in it as default so the kernel might not even be patched for it? Well It works fine without it
K3B Test
100% Copied a Music Cd
100% Burned a Music wav cd from a MP3 file
100% Copied a Boot Cd
100% Ripped a Dvd9 encrypted dvd to the harddrive, Didn't have a Dvd9 blank to burn it with. But I mounted the iso image and the movie Played perfect

Next I'll try my luck with k9copy
ttuuxxx

[LOF]

Afraid I too lack expertise on Bibletime. I've emailed off to DM over at Crosswire to see if he can lend a hand (he's helped us out in the past).

But up to that CDATA, everything is looking amazing. Well done ttuuxxx!

[ttuuxxx]

Thanks LOF and other for the vote of confidence I'll keep at it,
I also found a couple of other KDE church related applications that I'll try to incorporate with the next release of Living Water, I have a feeling it will be around 170MB-200MB range. The KDE4 Base is larger than KDE3, I still kept the original KDE3 base and Bibletime that I had running on it. But KDE4 is made for QT4 so its probably a better Idea to stick with KDE4. Its about 20MB larger. I also have the media player "Codeine" working its basically a very slim Gui for xine-gui. It works very well and fast, Full screen works perfect and It seems to have hardware recognition on it, when I ran it via command like it showed my graphic card and loaded the best driver for it automatically. I could be wrong because KDE is really new to me. But I guess you learn as you go.
ttuuxxx

[Subito Piano]

200MB-ish?? That's a good size. You are building a notoriety for packing quite a punch in a compact space.

[PastorEd]

Ok the first part worked excellent I now have a bible listed and it opens up and displays the text plus a CDATA type of header?

this is the console output
# bibletime
kbuildsycoca running...
bibletime: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file khtml.rc

Hey, ttuuxxx -

Okay, please keep in mind I'm not a KDE expert by any stretch of the imagination, but here's what I think is going on:

CDATA is header information that is found in XML files and is read by the khtml part of KDE. Again, I don't know if KHTML was listed as a dependency of rnot, but I *think* you'll find it in the kdelibs part of KDE (/usr/lib/kde3/share/apps/khtml/khtml.rc).

I am fairly sure that the khtml.rc file is a text file that describes various actions that KDE programs which need to display XML/HTML data need to carry out.

No khtml.rc file, no instructions on how to handle CDATA headers... so the program just shows you the information.

That's my guess anyway.

I like Bibletime, and have used it in the past... but there's an awful lot of hacking needed to get all of the little KDE bits crammed in there in a static package.

Are you *sure* that wxgtk and Biblestudy wouldn't be significantly smaller?

KFJ - PastorEd

[Subito Piano]

Biblestudy?? Are you talking about this download ?

[ttuuxxx]

Hi Guys

Ok Since I started over from scratch on KDE4.0 base
This is where I'm at,
Bibletime now finally has ftp and it works
I downloaded and installed a bible with it, It was so nice and easy to use. I'm glad I kept plugging at it.
I haven't tried PastorEd fix yet but Thats next, I still have that CData problem.
**** fixed --->I no longer have icons, but I think that should be easy to fix.
**** updated Only 1 problems left. Yesssssss
I'll post a picture of the ftp

At this point the KDE base is 40MB and Bibletime is 7.2MB Compressed

ttuuxxx

oh ya when I run it from console this is the only error I get now

# bibletime
kbuildsycoca running...
(BibleTime 1.6.5.1) WARNING: QFile::open: No file name specified
(BibleTime 1.6.5.1) WARNING: QFile::open: No file name specified

[Subito Piano]

WAAAAAAY cool. I'd love toi try an alpha if you post one.

[ttuuxxx]

WAAAAAAY cool. I'd love toi try an alpha if you post one.

I'll quickly shoot something together as an "Restricted Alpha" meaning probably just you will get it, By the end of the weekend,LOL no need to waste bandwidth on an alpha.

I have the Icons working once again now just the Cdata thing.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Well I managed to get kooldock to work, it was simple just installed the KDE package, I think if i'm going to use it, I'll compile it, but I just wanted to try it. Its usually hidden but if you move the mouse below the taskbar it pops up, Its nice and easy to use
-drag and drop programs
-set icon via a list to choose from, I have over 200 KDE icons to choose from included.
click ok and your done, also it has a background,font and many more options, very nice GUI.
ttuuxxx

[KF6SNJ]

Looks really nice. I am still using the Alpha2 of ChurchPup 3.01. However, this is looking something that I may want to use as well. Keep us posted.

[ttuuxxx]

Looks really nice. I am still using the Alpha2 of ChurchPup 3.01. However, this is looking something that I may want to use as well. Keep us posted.

Have you tried "Living Water" yet, the previous version?
http://www.ttuuxxx.com/livingwater/index.html
It has the same church related applications as Churchpup plus "ttuuxxx TV" and its 1/3 the original size of Churchpup. Churchpup is great if you need all the other larger applications. Both are equally very good products. I think the guys at Churchpup did a great job
ttuuxxx

[KF6SNJ]

You are right that the guys who created ChurchPup did an excellent job. I find I like BibleDesktop better than I like BibleTime. Perhaps it is because there are some works available for BibleDesktop via the FTP beta site that are not available for BibleTime (though it is not too hard to copy from one the other). Of course this includes one of my favorite works, the Book Of Concord. As a theology student, I'd be lost without it.

[ttuuxxx]

You are right that the guys who created ChurchPup did an excellent job. I find I like BibleDesktop better than I like BibleTime. Perhaps it is because there are some works available for BibleDesktop via the FTP beta site that are not available for BibleTime (though it is not too hard to copy from one the other). Of course this includes one of my favorite works, the Book Of Concord. As a theology student, I'd be lost without it.

ok but your the first that I've seen on here that actually chooses BibleDesktop over BibleTime, I've spent well over 40hrs just getting BibleTime working, Also if you like BibleDesktop it could be added, you can download it from the ChurchPup website and all you need is java, Say around 40MB larger, I might include both in a extra larger version around 250MB. But thats when I get to that stone. For now Back to fixing BibleTime. 1 Bug left.

ttuuxxx

[KF6SNJ]

Don't sweat it. I could add if I wanted to. Also, the java install is a cake walk. These are things I don't mind doing myself. Right now I am working on my "RoboPup" idea. I am reading a book on COBOL. I may also do some reading on c++ (I book marked a few sites). I even may try writing some of my own software for motor control. We will see.

[Subito Piano]

Interesting from here as well...BibleDesktop didn't appeal to me at all; I'm curious what features (besides the Book of Concord) makes it meet your needs/style, KF6SNJ. Cool how we're all wired in different ways and have different and valid perspectives.

Ttuuxxx, I have compared e-sword and BibleTime and prefer BibleTime -- mostly because i can reference to the Strong's lexicon without having to have all the numbers mingled into the text. My buddy (brother in Christ and Linux mentor) prefers e-sword, i think he mentioned it has better maps. Plus he liked Gnome-Sword over BibleTime! What i'm getting at is that these three programs are VERY similar; i think/hope/trust you will find a lot of ppl very happy to see your finished product. Once it's final, i'll make some noise in the ChurchPup website about it and hopefully in some other places as well.

[KF6SNJ]

Interesting from here as well...BibleDesktop didn't appeal to me at all; I'm curious what features (besides the Book of Concord) makes it meet your needs/style, KF6SNJ. Cool how we're all wired in different ways and have different and valid perspectives.

Besides the BoC, BibleDesktop also has some really good maps available for it and also a few really good lexicons. It also has the NET bible. Also, I find the interface is a little easier to work with than that of BibleTime. Of course I am just a little opinionated at times, so what do I know?