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Subito Piano


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun 2008, 23:49    Post subject:  

A dotpet of BibleTime??!! Whoever does that will find many grateful souls....
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PastorEd

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 16:15    Post subject: about Bibletime dotpup  

Please keep in mind that I'm not exactly volunteering to PACKAGE one for you, as I don't have Puppy installed on anything, and I've never made one of your packages.

I have, however, hacked together a couple of tgz files for Vector Linux back in the day. Checkinstall was my friend!

Perhaps I didn't make myself abundantly clear - what I was trying to do was to outline the process whereby I've hacked together a static package for Bibletime using another distro.

I assume, of course, that the process would work just the same on Puppy. But not having a Puppy installed, I'm not able to actually do it myself.

1) download an already-compiled Bibletime package from the most closely compatible Slackware version. Puppy Linux will run Slackware 12 packages, yes?

2) install the TGZ package WITHOUT checking dependencies.

3) ldd /usr/bin/bibletime | grep not
(this will find all of the unmet dependencies)

4) track down and download all packages with the missing dependencies.

5) DON'T INSTALL THEM - rather, just extract only the needed dependencies out of them, and put them all in the same place. If you want to be *really* elegant, create a series of symlinks that when the finished package is installed, the libs needed will go into /usr/lib (or whatever the Puppy equivalent is).

6) After all the dependencies have been tracked down, and the libs extracted, package Bibletime along with all of its required libraries into ONE dotpup, and name it Bibletime-static.dotpup

That's the process I'd do if I were trying to get Bibletime to work on a system that didn't have KDE installed.

((please note - since Puppy 4.0 has the gtk2 libs installed already, it would seem that Gnomesword would be a better fit for Puppy than Bibletime - but that's just a thought...))

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 16:29    Post subject: Another alternative  

I have another thought for you guys...

What about the Biblestudy app? I think the 2.0 version might be a bit heavy, but the 1.0 version might just do the trick for you...

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/christiangame/biblestudy-1.0.tar.bz2?modtime=1083542400&big_mirror=0

You'll need some development libraries to compile it (I've had ZERO luck finding already compiled versions of Biblestudy anywhere), but it seems to require wxgtk, and I *think* that's a lot lighter than KDE or GNOME.

Just another thought...
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 17:43    Post subject:  

Hi PastorEd --

No, don't misunderstand me. I perceive a "need" here. Problem is, i'm "accidentally" a computer teacher (long story) & Linux enthusiast who plays with Puppy and finds it useful; i can remaster Puppy a little but i'm no good at so much technical stuff. I'm trying to light a fire -- if somebody will take the bait -- not necessarily you!

I do know i could probably install e-sword by following the directions, but i don't myself have a need for it (working distro isn't Puppy, sorry! ) BUT i do think others "might" benefit from Puppy with a good Bible program installed, of the caliber of those mentioned. I fear a negative cost/benefit ratio here, however ("cost" meaning time invested), so i'm just tossing ideas around. Now, if i could get Biblestudy going in a remaster easily, i might go for it...but some of the things you've said are over my head, and there is only so much time to learn new things...sigh......
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 17:53    Post subject:  

Subito Piano wrote:
Hi PastorEd --

No, don't misunderstand me. I perceive a "need" here. Problem is, i'm "accidentally" a computer teacher (long story) & Linux enthusiast who plays with Puppy and finds it useful; i can remaster Puppy a little but i'm no good at so much technical stuff. I'm trying to light a fire -- if somebody will take the bait -- not necessarily you!

I do know i could probably install e-sword by following the directions, but i don't myself have a need for it (working distro isn't Puppy, sorry! ) BUT i do think others "might" benefit from Puppy with a good Bible program installed, of the caliber of those mentioned. I fear a negative cost/benefit ratio here, however ("cost" meaning time invested), so i'm just tossing ideas around. Now, if i could get Biblestudy going in a remaster easily, i might go for it...but some of the things you've said are over my head, and there is only so much time to learn new things...sigh......


I'm already on it, Smile
I'll have a look at it and see what is like, Smile
But I have a feeling Gnome-Sword might be the way.
Thats what I'm starting to work on today Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 17:59    Post subject:  

why does that not surprise me??? Like, how do you find the time???!!?!?!
Blessings, blessings, blessings....
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 18:08    Post subject:  

Subito Piano wrote:
why does that not surprise me??? Like, how do you find the time???!!?!?!
Blessings, blessings, blessings....


Well Its hard sometimes to find the time, But my wife is finally becoming understanding Smile
Hey I was thinking that I might be able to drop JAVA this time round and that way using parts of gnome or kde won't be so bad, It actually might make this release around the same size, give or take 10-15MB Smile
ttuuxxx

Hey your picture says upper state new york, When I lived in Canada thats the area I always went too. Massena/potsdam/Malone area. Around once a week for cheap fuel/beer Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2008, 18:29    Post subject:  

"Upstate" means above the thruway for those living that far north. We're 3 miles from the southern border in about the middle between east and west (Finger Lakes country). To us, upstate means "not near NYC (and maybe not near Albany). Tough explaining to midwesterners that i know what grass and trees look like... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2008, 18:17    Post subject:  

Well I have bibletime working, It took about 14hrs straight.
And it still needs work, LOL but it feels great to see it on puppy 4.0
If I can just figure out now how to add a bible ? lol
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2008, 18:31    Post subject:  

Wow! How cool is THAT?!??!

So - BibleTime's bookshelf manager is giving you grief?
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2008, 19:00    Post subject:  

Subito Piano wrote:
Wow! How cool is THAT?!??!

So - BibleTime's bookshelf manager is giving you grief?


Yes I never used BibleTime before I might have to finally read a manual or something Smile
But I have a lot of fixes to do, first I think, When I run it via command line it really displays a lot of stuff.
but the hardest part is over , I hope lol Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2008, 19:25    Post subject:  

So far as a pet package its 27MB or extracted is 75MB probably have another 2-5MB to add for missing packages, But still I was right when I estimated the size against Java, What a guess my last java package was 35MB
or bibledesktop with java was 39MB pet
so Actually this next release of living water could be 5-10MB smaller, how funny is that. but bibles are large 3-5mb
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun 2008, 22:02    Post subject: To add Sword Bibles  

Great job on getting Bibletime running on Puppy!

Oh, a quick thought: I don't know for sure what messages are scrolling by in your terminal when you start Bibletime... but I do know that KDE apps generate a LOT of information which is output to stderr. It's sort of like a running commentary on what the computer is doing... but since your average KDE user is running KDE apps from within the KDE itself, that information is never seen.

SO... unless you specifically see an error that has you worried, I wouldn't worry about it. You *might* get a DCOP error, (I do, whenever I run a KDE app without running the DCOP server), but the APP itself still runs fine.

Set up a menu launch shortcut, and see if it still works. I'm almost sure that it will, without any significant issues...

You mentioned that you didn't know how to get a bible installed. I know of a couple of ways:

"old school":
1) download a RAW zip file. Here's the link for the ESV:

http://crosswire.org/sword/servlet/SwordMod.Verify?modName=ESV&pkgType=raw

2) unzip the file to:
~/.sword/
- this will install the correct files into:
~/.sword/modules/texts/ztext/esv
~/.sword/mods.d

3) Start (or restart) Bibletime.

"Bookshelf Manager"
BibleTime offers a dialog to automatically download and manage electronic works. You simply define a library (a remote collection of works, such as Crosswire ), and then you can transfer works from this library to your local bookshelf to use them.

(by the way, this method is almost exactly the same for Gnomesword as well. The raw "old school" method works no matter which sword app you use, and the Gnomesword version of Bookshelf Manager is called Module Manager.)

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jun 2008, 02:22    Post subject: Re: To add Sword Bibles  

PastorEd wrote:
Great job on getting Bibletime running on Puppy!

KFJ - PastorEd


I was wondering if you had any ideas about this error when I run it via commandline

# bibletime
kbuildsycoca running...
SWMgr: Can't find 'mods.conf' or 'mods.d'. Try setting:
SWORD_PATH=<directory containing mods.conf>
Or see the README file for a full description of setup options (<configPath is null>)
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: ASSERT: "installSource" in cswordsetupmodulelistview.cpp (70)
SWMgr: Can't find 'mods.conf' or 'mods.d'. Try setting:
SWORD_PATH=<directory containing mods.conf>
Or see the README file for a full description of setup options (<configPath is null>)




and when I try to go online using the built it bible manager ftp tool (I guess thats what you call it, Smile I get these errors


SWMgr: Can't find 'mods.conf' or 'mods.d'. Try setting:
SWORD_PATH=<directory containing mods.conf>
Or see the README file for a full description of setup options (<configPath is null>)
(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: FTP: Copy ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/mods.d.tar.gz -> /root/.sword/InstallMgr/ftp.crosswire.org/mods.d.tar.gz
Could not find 'kio_ftp' executable.
bibletime: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_ftp'.
bibletime:
Could not find 'kio_ftp' executable.
bibletime: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_ftp'.
bibletime:
FTPCopy: failed to get file ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/mods.d.tar.gz(BibleTime 1.6.4) WARNING: InstallMgr: refreshRemoteSources returned an error.
^C
# ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 6198, errno = 0

any ideas ?
thanks for your help
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