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flagman

Joined: 27 Aug 2007
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Location: Flagstaff, AZ

PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 15:13    Post subject: Epdfview will not run in r6?
Subject description: Immediately segfaults in my fresh install
 

I've just completed a "stock" install of release 6 on flash and it's marvelous. However I've not been able to run epdfview. Launching it from a terminal results in an immediate "Segmentation fault".

Can anyone confirm this problem - or the lack of it? Thanks.
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Henry

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Oregon USA

PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 16:40    Post subject:  

Hi, flagman,

Yes, I can confirm the epdfview problem. As I noted earlier:

"I noticed these problems -

1. epdfview doesn't run. Terminal says: segmentation fault

2. xine doesn't run. Terminal says: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: invalid ELF header

3. openoffice apps (from sfs, work perfectly in r5) don't work. They start and the splash screen completes and the app immediately disappears. Terminal says, e.g.: swriter: command not found"

Henry
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gray


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 313
Location: Adelaide - South Australia

PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 20:31    Post subject: R6  

Henry: Regarding management-of-removable-drives-and-media documentation. Yes I am aware of that information. Unfortunately it requires udev and hal to be installed and correctly configured. I had a go at this but it is way beyond me (it looks closer to black magic than anything else Evil or Very Mad ), and I think udev at least needs to be integrated into the very core of the distro. However, this is a likely future direction as BK has hinted that he will be including udev in Dingo at some stage Smile .

As to problems with epdfview, xine , OO after using the pup_301.sfs replacement method of 'upgrade' - as I said this can be hit and miss. I tried it for r5 to r6 several times and it has worked perfectly everytime for me, but I can see a million reasons why it should not work Confused .

Have you tried removing configuration files from your root directory, so that the app is forced to recreate them? e.g remove the .config/epdfview directory, and the .xine directory. For OO try unloading the sfs with the bootmanager, reboot, save, reboot and load in the sfs again. Unionfs does some strange things with the various layers and I am convinced there are some nasty bugs within unionfs still. Other than that use a clean start for R6.

Fishy: I would suggest you have some download problems - other people have downloaded and used the iso OK. I am trying to download and check again but the puppylinux.ca site is appallingly slow at the moment (only 10Kb/sec !! it is usually 15 or 16 times that speed).

flagman: by 'stock' install do you mean with a fresh savefile? If so I dont see why epdfview would not work. I changed nothing in that area going from R5 to R6 and have checked frugal install to HD and install to flash pendrive and they work fine for me. I know it does not help you but it is nigh impossible to fix a problem that I cant reproduce Embarassed .
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Henry

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 21:33    Post subject:  

Thanks, Gray.

I'll do some checking probably tomorrow and report back.

Meanwhile I'm quite happy with r5.
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Henry

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 22:18    Post subject:  

OK, I found some time now, and did the three checks you suggested. No change was observed.

However I did find that the md5 check sum was bad. Should have checked that first. But I practically never have a problem with download integrity, and tend not to worry about it when the program basically works. Live and learn.

Henry
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Fishy

Joined: 26 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 22:19    Post subject:  

www.puppylinux.ca/NOP
http://www.puppylinux.ca/NOP/puppy-301-NOP-r6_md5sum.txt
4d055b80c4d35d959692f4bd167e7d6f puppy-301-NOP-r6.iso

md5sum puppy-301-NOP-r6.iso
fc7e6184afd47f68a983d9861d96b85a puppy-301-NOP-r6.iso

Not sure what is wrong, but didn't feel like mucking up my existing full install.

Help gratefully appreciated Very Happy
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Henry

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2008, 22:39    Post subject:  

That's the same checksum I got, Fishy
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gray


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Location: Adelaide - South Australia

PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2008, 01:51    Post subject: R6 iso checksum  

I finally managed to download the R6 iso and got a bad checksum. Looks like it got corrupted in the upload ?

Anyway I have re-uploaded, re-downloaded and checked the md5sum again and it is all sweet now. Embarassed
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Henry

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2008, 08:24    Post subject:  

Looks like a happy Easter morning!

After several tries from a slow and error prone download link it finally sped up and completed. Good md5. R6 looks OK now - previous three faults are gone.

Henry
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Henry

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Mar 2008, 12:42    Post subject: XFCE Menu Editor  

Hi, Gray,

I know this is an old question, and it seems no one has an easy answer, but . . .

I know basically how to edit the .desktop files to modify the menu, and I have a good and complete menu. But I would like to move some items around. Am not sure how the categories, etc. work.

How can one (simply, if possible) get the menu editor to actually display the complete menu? It seems this is its purpose, so one could graphically move items up and down, etc.It just seems there ought to be a way to do this. Maybe the menu editor is worthless - you left it out previously.
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richhard

Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 01:43    Post subject:  

mistake !
Last edited by richhard on Mon 31 Mar 2008, 01:54; edited 1 time in total
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richhard

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 01:43    Post subject:  

Hi Gray,

just downloaded r6 with no problems: md5 is ok, epdfview, openoffice
and xine (!!) are working fine, and Hotpup is really nice to have Very Happy

just one question: Cool
what's about Xsane scanner utility?
Up to now I was not able to bring my scanner to work,
eventhough sane-find-scanner ist detecting it.

I have a Brother DCP-130c Printer/Scanner unit. It is easy and smooth to
bring the printer to work, but then... Crying or Very sad

Any helpful hint would gratly be appreciated! Exclamation
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dinky


Joined: 19 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 04:51    Post subject:  

Thank you thank you thank you thank you soooo much for hotpup! That is a turly awesome program. Thanks also for fixing that bug on bootup, I was having the same problems. I'll install the latest hotpup you've posted in the next day or so.

I'm really impressed by NOP, and specifically the wNOP pupplet, both of which I've ben basing a new pupplet around, 'TigerPup'. Do we need a new pupplet? Probably not. But I'm having fun with this, which is the point of Puppy. Basically creating something I can hand to my newbie friends who hate computers, say 'Welcome to Linux' and 'have fun'. Am getting there, but there's lots of documentation I'm not inspired to write at the moment...

Anyway, question about NOP rc-6. I've installed it on a friend's v. old 64 Mb 400 Mhz pc, and found the only way to run it properly is as a full install with a swap file. NOP flies very happily on that. What I haven't been able to do is install either abiword or openoffice successfully... keeps complaining about missing libs which seem all but non-existent. Without using a .sfs, how the heck do I get these working? Can I use a .sfs under a full hard drive install? Also, I've been trying to install Pebble, for which I need to edit the initrd.gz file. Doesn't seem there is one with the full install... anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm aware I could remaster the NOP cd to have all these programs on it, but don't really feel like doing this. I could also install puppy 3.01 straight on there instead, but also don't really feel like doing this. Apart from not liking the default windows manager much, it's a bloody hassle. Thanks people!
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gray


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 06:57    Post subject: Xfce menu et al  

Henry: I set iup the menu so that the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications are picked up automatcally. If you want to move some around you can try editing the category in those files. Because of the way the menu is set up the menu editor is not very useful. You can use it to add your own submenus etc, but it is a very manual process (back up the /root/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml file first - to save inevitable heartache later Wink ). if you want you can remove the green 'include system' line which is the bit which does the auto menu and redo the whole menu -ouch Twisted Evil .

richhard: Unfortunately in NOP 301 Xsane is not included to save space. Agonised a while over that. You should be able to install using the package manager. Install sane then xsane. Not tried it myself though. I think just like printers you may be unlucky in that your scanner may not be supported.

dinky: Puppy is about having fun - there is always room in the kennels for more puppies Very Happy . The easiest way to add abiword is by the goffice_301.sfs module. I have put my sfs files on the harddrive at the top level with the rest of the NOP frugal install files in a pup301 subdirectory - there should be initrd.gz in there too. I use the LinNwin boot method to optionally boot win win98. You can install abiword by the package manager also, but it misses some dependencies. It should pick up that it needs fribidi and install that automatically, but you will have to use petget to individually install libgnomecanvas, libgnomeprint, libgnomeprintgui and goffice pet packages. Then you need to edit the abiword.desktop file in /usr/share/applications to change the icon line to Icon=word48.
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dinky


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2008, 21:16    Post subject:  

Thanks for that, sorted out abiword. Also had issues with xine and epdfview not working with rc6 on a full hard-drive install. I'm going to redownload the iso later, and see if this was the issue... I thought the md5sum checked out, but can't remember.

Also, re hotpup, is there a way to tweak it so that the icons line up by default on the right side instead of the left? Xfce will remember them when you restart X, but that means after first boot up of puppy from the live cd all the icons are first on the left. Thanks.
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