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#46 Post by john biles »

Hello eccentric,
I'm happy to see you've got a lot of your hardware working.
Good Luck with using TEENpup :D
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#47 Post by crabbypup »

hello, i have been using teenpup 2.14 for a while. and when i whent to softpedia to download the upgrade to 2008, the site said it was redirecting and then appeared broken. could you please provide an alternative download site? thanks.

but TEENpup2008 looks great!! 8) hope to see more like this in the future. a click and run replacement for xp would be amazing!! (especially a puppy based one!) :D

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#48 Post by Caneri »

Hi crabby,

Look here

http://www.puppylinux.ca/teenpup/

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#49 Post by Dingo »

I finally tried TeenPup ... It is incredible! Fast, beautiful! Only two questions:

Pup_save of the TeenPup can live with the pup_save Puppy 3.01?

I saw that serves double click to launch programs: how to set my single click?
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#50 Post by Ray MK »

Hi John

TEENpup2008 on the hdd running v sweet in the partition that used to accomadate XPdoze.

There is a problem closing tabs in seamonkey but thats a minor hiccup when considering
all the other improvements and as you say - Opera can be installed as well if desired.

Maybe there is a setting somewhere that needs changing - still looking, learning and
generally familiarising myself with all the goodies.

Just like a PUPPY scampering about finding nice juicy new bones everywhere - dont know
which one to pick up (click on) and play with next. And cant always remember where I
buried the one I had just been chewing on (playing with) 'cos I keep finding new ones
and start getting interested in them. "Wunderbar" <<--- (hope the spelling correct)

Haven't even glanced at the destructions yet - this little lot will keep me occupied
for some considerable time - many thanks again John for an absolutely SUPERpup2008.

One V happy Puppy n00bie and Ex.doze user

Ray MK

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#51 Post by langecom »

Hi John,

I have been trying your TEENpup 2008 and found it is wonderful.

According to the User's Guide - While “Flash 9

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#52 Post by john biles »

Hello langecom,
I should have been in bed hours ago its 3am where I live in the world.
I went to the website you listed and strangely a flash advertisement on the right of screen is working fine, but on the left of the screen the flash player there is asking for you to install flash? I don't know if there is a problem with the site.
Have you tried to watch youtube to see if flash plays there?

I really need to go to bed so won't answer again for at least 7 hours.
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#53 Post by accessdenied »

I just tried that same web site from Firefox and the left Java area for the video plays fine.

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#54 Post by crabbypup »

@ Caneri:

it doesn't work either. i am using freshdownload manager for winblows. all other links but that one work. it says the file is only 30mb or less and says that it is an html file, not an iso. please, help!! :cry:

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#55 Post by Caneri »

Hi crabby,

The iso is correct...hmmm..I will look further and post back to this message.
EDIT:
Well it seems ok here.
try the direct link
http://www.puppylinux.ca/teenpup/TEENpup2008.iso

I can download with no problem...if you can use Puppy to download use this command from a terminal
wget -c http://www.puppylinux.ca/teenpup/TEENpup2008.iso
or use Pwget from Lobster with a cut and paste solution for wget.
Look here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 10&t=25567

The server is in Toronto down by the Queen's Quay so you should be fast.



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TeenPup 2008 and NFS

#56 Post by DreamsToGo »

Hello,

I have experimented in the past with Puppy and was very pleased to come across TeenPUP with everything installed. Thank you.

I have installed in on an old PC - celeron 836 with 256 ram. Works great and much faster than Ubuntu. I have installed CUPS to print on the shared printer on my network server. Works great.

Now, I also want to be able to access my music files which are stored on the server. Under Ubuntu (which I have been using up to now), I installed NFS, changed FSTAB file and bingo it just worked. I want to be able to do the same on TeenPUP.

I changed the FSTAB in /etc to add my remote mount; created the target directory on the local machine; rebooted the machine - bungo - no luck.

CUPS works so the server is seen, the network is working, the NFS server is running - other machines in the house connect no problem

What do I need to do to get NFS client to work on TeenPUP? any help would be greatly appreciated as this is a show stopper for me. The client in question is in the Out house and I listen to my music when i am doing the cooking!!

Hilary from South of France

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#57 Post by john biles »

Hello DreamsToGo,
While I created the TEENpup series to take the Puppy concept and expand it into something more with extra Applications, ease of use and a look and feel that originally would appear to teenagers, the goal now is to drive the TEENpup concept towards all users. I want someone coming from Windows or one of the popular Linux versions out there upon seeing the TEENpup desktop to say to themselves "This doesn't look to bad at all!". I hope this will lead them into spending more time to fall in love with the Puppy concept itself.
Now having said that, in reality is TEENpup wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if it wasn't for Puppy forum user's like MU, muggins, lobster, WhoDo, zigbert, plinej, dougal, jcoder24, Pizzasgood, rarsa, GusetToo, gekko, disciple, caneri and a host of other forum users who great work I have used in TEENpup.

One reason it has taken 4-5 months between releases is a large amount of time has been spent checking, testing new pets or dotpups made by the above members, spending time taking the best from Debian, Mandriva etc etc and adapting what ever I could to improve TEENpup in one way or another. Basically in the end 95% of what you see in TEENpup was created by 100's of other Linux user's in one form or another. I'm just the 5% that brought it all together.

After all that and the reason I posted the above is that I don't have all the technical answers as much as I would like to say I do, I don't. So if any of you wonderful forum users can shed light on any of these problems, please feel free to do so.

Lastly I don't have the cash to setup a network of PC's to experiment on sadly.

Even though I've included enough I believe to get Bluetooth working in TEENpup in this version, I haven't included the bluetooth applications in the menu as I couldn't test it. If you look in /opt/kde/bin you will find the exec's to experiment with getting Bluetooth working in TEENpup. If someone has some luck in setting it up, please let us know whats needed.
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#58 Post by john biles »

Hello Everyone,
To users trying out TEENpup2008 if you haven't tried "Desktop Themechooser" under Desktop in the menu here's an idea of some of the extra themes included.
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can't get internet to work on Teenpup2008

#59 Post by Qiyasea »

Hi, I'm new to this whole Linux experience, but eager to move away from Windows. However, I can't access the internet by ethernet cable or by wi-fi.

My laptop is an older Acer Aspire 3003 Lci, 40GB HDD, 256 RAM, AMD 1.8 Ghz, internal 802.11b/g wifi. Had WinXP on it, was working fine except quite slow.

I wiped the hard drive with Dban so I could install Ubuntu. Had problems trying to do that initially, then I found Puppy Linux. Just noting what happened with Puppy & Ubuntu bc of my internet experience with both...

First I tried Puppy, and everyone is right, the system was super fast, especially web surfing! It took only a few clicks to connect to my ADSL internet (don't recall which connection worked, wireless or ethernet, just remember only 1 did). I couldn't get Skype to work, however - could not even install it after checking several "how to's" online.
Then the next day my Ubuntu 7.10 alt CD was ready so I installed that to see about Skype access. I was able to connect to the internet with Ubuntu. But I now realize with 256MB Ram it's still too slow, esp surfing the web & for Skype.

Then later I booted up into Puppy, into the saved file, and could not get connected to the internet at all. Checked everything I could, spent an hour or two to no avail. It recognizes both the wireless signal and the ethernet connection, but can't finish with the DCHP part. (I wish I remembered how it worked the first time, but I didn't expect to have a problem.)

Then I came across Teenpup2008, and I was excited to see that Skype is pre-installed along with other packages. Looks like an ideal midpoint between Puppy & Ubuntu, and probably better than Ubuntu in functionality & simplicity!

Teenpup2008 loads up beautifully with the live CD.

But... I can't get internet access at all on Teenpup2008 either! argh! I just love the package, my kids love the games, the GUI is so nice and I love that I don't have to install VLC, Skype etc

But without internet access, it's almost useless for our needs! I've gone thru the wizard many times, tried loading a couple different drivers as opined by the wizard, but no luck. I'm not a computer techie, and I am clueless about drivers. :-(

The wizard recognizes the ethernet cable connection, but not the wireless signal at all.

At this point, I've been working with this on & off for 3-4 days. (This is why I stopped trying to use Linux several years ago... too many hours & days, and still no luck. Had to keep Windows!)

If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. If I can get Teenpup2008 working on just one of our laptops, I can justify switching all of our computers over!

Thanks much!
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#60 Post by DreamsToGo »

Hello John,

Thank you for your post. I understand your constraints; the more I play with TeenPUP, the more I like it. It does seem to do everything I want straight 'out of the box' except the NFS bit.

To explain; I have a home network with a server and 6 clients all using Ubuntu up to now and all connected to the server via CUPS for printing and NFS for file sharing. I have four teenage girls, so when I came across TeenPUP, I was delighted since Ubuntu is running increasing slowly since Gutsy on my Out house and washroom clients (as I said before I like to listen to my music collection while cooking or ironing!) and also a distro with everything included is really cool.

Over the past year or so, I have gained quite an understanding of how to set up NFS from the server and client ends when using the pre-packaged NFS software as supplied in Ubuntu. What I don't know how to do is to package the software required.

So if anyone can help I'd really appreciate it; I will do the testing no problem - that's the easy bit.

I'm new to Puppy and dotpups. Do you have to have a Dotpup to install to TeenPUP or could you use other packages direct from other distros?

Best wishes and thank you John forall the effort and time.

Hilary

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#61 Post by john biles »

Hello Qiyasea,
At the start of your posting you say you can't get connected to the internet by ethernet or wifi, but at the end of your message I believe it reads that ethernet works?
As I don't use wifi and have only used ethernet and dialup, I had to guess what might be needed for wifi in TEENpup.
Something I didn't do was remove any of Puppy's Libs, only added to them.
Out of interest what do KwifiManager or RutilT under Network say when you run them. Have you tried to use them?

Can you please list your model of wifi as someone on the forum may have had the same problem and got it to work.

Hello DreamsToGo,
While about 20% of TEENpup came from Pets and Dotpups, alot was taken from debian, mandriva, slax and a few other distros. If I can get a good App going in TEENpup I will take it from anywhere I can.
Now you can help me. Do you remember the App you used in Ubuntu to connect your NFS If I can convert that package over to TEENpup then it will help you and I'm sure a few other users as well.
So the sooner you get me that info, the quicker I can get that App going for you, Hopefully!
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#62 Post by Qiyasea »

Oh, thanks John for your quick reply! I appreciate your time & know how busy you are.

The Wizard recognizes the Ethernet "connection", but I can't get onto the internet. When I click the "test" button, it says there is a signal or connection or whatever for the ethernet. But when I go to set the DCHP?? the result comes back "unsuccessful". I'll try it again & see what happens as I loaded it only once.

Thanks a lot!

Edit: The laptop sticker says "802.11 b/g wireless LAN". That is the only info I have re wifi.

Update: Ran Kwifimanager - says "no networks detected"

Ran RutilT. 2 identical windows pop up. "Critical error. Can't get the frequency/channel. Code: 19"

Any ideas what to do next?

Thx!
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#63 Post by DreamsToGo »

Hi John,

OK thanks for your help and fast reply!

Since my last post I've been doing some reading about installing NFS support,

1) the first thing to do is to make sure the kernel has nfs support compiled in. TeenPUP uses kernel 2.6.18.1, so it should have nfs version 3 (the one we want) compiled in, unless a deliberate decision was made to exclude it. Unfortunately nfs is not shown in the /proc/filesystems file, so it would seem that nfs is not compiled in.

2) the second thing is to see if a module exists for nfs by trying to insert it into the kernel using insmod nfs. Unfortunately, again when I try this on TeenPUP it would seem that the module is not available.

I use the conditional on this because I am not really sure; I'm just following instructions found on http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s04.html.

But it would seem that nfs is not comiled in and not available as a module in TeenPUP.

You asked for the Ubuntu packages that I install on the client; there are two nfs-common and portmap.

Here is the info about the nfs-common package,


Description
NFS support files common to client and server
Use this package on any machine that uses NFS, either as client or
server. Programs included: lockd, statd, showmount, nfsstat, gssd
and idmapd.

Upstream: SourceForge project "nfs", CVS module nfs-utils.

Homepage: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/

Installed files

/.
/etc
/etc/init.d
/etc/init.d/nfs-common
/sbin
/sbin/mount.nfs
/sbin/rpc.statd
/sbin/sm-notify
/sbin/showmount
/usr
/usr/sbin
/usr/sbin/nfsstat
/usr/sbin/rpc.gssd
/usr/sbin/rpc.idmapd
/usr/sbin/gss_clnt_send_err
/usr/sbin/gss_destroy_creds
/usr/sbin/rpcdebug
/usr/share
/usr/share/nfs-common
/usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles
/usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/idmapd.conf
/usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/idmapd.conf.md5sum
/usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/nfs-common.default
/usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/nfs-common.default.md5sum
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/nfs-common
/usr/share/doc/nfs-common/copyright
/usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4
/usr/share/doc/nfs-common/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/nfs-common/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/man
/usr/share/man/man5
/usr/share/man/man5/nfs.5.gz
/usr/share/man/man5/idmapd.conf.5.gz
/usr/share/man/man8
/usr/share/man/man8/statd.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/nfsstat.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/showmount.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/rpcdebug.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/umount.nfs.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/gssd.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/idmapd.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/mount.nfs.8.gz
/var
/var/lib
/var/lib/nfs
/var/lib/nfs/sm
/var/lib/nfs/sm.bak
/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs
/sbin/mount.nfs4
/sbin/umount.nfs
/sbin/umount.nfs4
/usr/share/man/man8/rpc.gssd.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/rpc.idmapd.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/rpc.statd.8.gz

See the attached file for the Dependancies

The info for portmap is,

Description

The RPC portmapper
Portmap is a server that converts RPC (Remote Procedure Call) program
numbers into DARPA protocol port numbers. It must be running in order
to make RPC calls.

Services that use RPC include NFS and NIS.

Homepage: http://neil.brown.name/portmap/

Installed files are

/.
/sbin
/sbin/portmap
/sbin/pmap_dump
/sbin/pmap_set
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/man
/usr/share/man/man8
/usr/share/man/man8/pmap_set.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/portmap.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/pmap_dump.8.gz
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/portmap
/usr/share/doc/portmap/README
/usr/share/doc/portmap/TODO.Debian
/usr/share/doc/portmap/copyright
/usr/share/doc/portmap/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/portmap/changelog.Debian.gz
/etc
/etc/init.d
/etc/init.d/portmap

and Dependancies are

in the attached file

I hope this helps - I'll be actively watching the thread until about 16h00 this afternoon. Its now 12h45 here.

Hilary
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#64 Post by john biles »

Hello DreamsToGo,
OK I've basically gone and got nfs, portmap + dependencies and converted them for use in TEENpup and zipped them and attached them here.

OK when you unzip the folder you will get /etc /lib /usr/ sbin and /var
Now I installed these in TEENpup 2008 and discovered that some of the files in /etc are already there in TEENpup and I recommend that you experiment with these running Live.
What you need to do is manually copy each file into its corresponding folder in TEENpup.

The good thing is that I you get it working, you can remaster TEENpup and then you won't have to do it all again.

By the way you posted I know you have a lot more knowledge in this area than I do.
Maybe we can find a patch for the kernel if this doesn't work.

At least now you should have something to work with. Good Luck
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#65 Post by john biles »

Hello DreamsToGo,
Sorry I believe you also need these. I have good feeling you may now get somewhere!
Note: There is some doubling up of files between the first Tar.gz and this one.
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