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klu9

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2007, 20:39    Post subject:  

@tombh
I don't think C-F can be used together with Metisse; IIRC C-F is a window manager for bog-standard X11 windowing system, whereas Metisse is a bundle: its own windowing system (instead of X11)and a specially-modified FVWM window manager to take advantage of the windowing system's extra capabilities.
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2007, 20:44    Post subject:  

thx klu9

With the interest in wNOP..I think more is better...Wink

EDIT: If I'm right you may see NOP and wNOP showing up in some ezines soon....but it's just a guess.

Eric

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klu9

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2007, 11:41    Post subject:  

re xdelta patches

a) I've created another one, to update NOP-r2.iso to NOP-r3.iso

b) I've (temporarily) stopped seeding the torrent for the wNOP to wNOP-v0.2 patch and am uploading to Mediafire. My upload sucks, so hopefully more people can get the patch quicker from that download site.
Once I've completed uplaoding to mediafire, I'll resume seeding the torrent.

c) I've started a page on xdelta in the Puppy wiki: http://puppylinux.org/wikka/XdeltA

edit: corrected link to NOP patch post

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klu9

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2007, 12:11    Post subject:  

ok, you can do an HTTP download of the xdelta patch now:
http://www.mediafire.com/?eenxhsxbjmu

EDIT: MD5 for the patch
e0adac00289780d0ef528c6b62545af9 wNOP0.1_0.2.delta
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Boo2themoon


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2007, 16:24    Post subject:  

Hi Tombh,

I have just tried wNOP 0.2 and I have to say "its a cracker". Thanks for sharing this.

It works well with my ATI Radeon mobility 9700 64mb card. Although I can't get the snow to work or drag the cube around with scroll button. But I will sort this (64mb permitting) when I have more time to play.

Bristol eh? "Where you to me babber?" Lol. Don't answer that or the Vista boys will headhunt you....with a sack!

Some friends have asked me to burn them a copy of Puppy. They live on a boat (near SS Great Britain) so I was going to give them Lighthouse pup. But now I've seen wNOP I'll give them that. It will make them think they've eaten the wrong kind of mushrooms!

Thanks again for wNOP and also to Gray for the splendid NOP.

All the best

Boo
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tombh


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Dec 2007, 08:39    Post subject:  

@WhoDo: Right I've contacted raffy and I'll get stuck in there.
WhoDo wrote:
I was aware of Wow's dotpet, but was hoping for something that was a tad easier for the refugees to come to grips with - sort of an EZpup advanced version for those ready to move beyond basic look-and-feel but still in need of a helping hand. Does that make sense?

Yes certainly does. I was so incredibly happy when I *finally* got C-F to work in Puppy. So what your saying is really the primary aim and motivation for wNOP -- that anyone who likes Puppy and C-F should easily be able to use both at the click of few buttons.

I did consider working on a dotpet/sfs to begin with but an ISO just seemed to give me a lot more control, a fresh slate to work on as it were. C-F is quite a beast really and one of the biggest things is that it requires hardware accelerated graphics which, just that in itself, is a notorious thing to get going in Puppy. I think that will be quite an issue for any C-F dotpet/sfs, one thing that has crossed my mind would be upgrading MUs 3D Control Center. And yet another thing that could be complicated would be if an updated Xorg was needed -- I'm not sure how easy it is to just replace Xorg with a dotpet? Anyway I certainly think it's all possible, and well, if it *is* possible, then, you know the rest...

@klu9: Holy moly indeed! Good stuff. I've tested the delta patch and it works for me, although I haven't tried booting off the patched ISO, the md5s match anyway. I've updated the head of this thread and posted to your xdelta thread.

@Boo2themoon: Hey thanks Smile Glad you like it and it means your using local produce too!

Maybe snow's not working cos the 'Super' key (aka Windows key) is not working, you can change your keyboard model by going to Menu->Puppy Setup->Mouse/Keyboard Wizard->Advance Xorg Keyboard Configuration->Keyboard Model. PC104 usually does it for me.

Brizzle indeed me babber, off the top of the Gloccy -- I ain't scared of no Vista boys! Oh yeah a friend of mine is thinking of buying a boat in the docks, she says it's cheaper than houses anyway. But you can assure them that, all though it may appear so, no psilocybin was consumed during the development of wNOP.

And you like the Mighty Boosh! I luuuuuuv the Mighty Boosh. I think I've missed the last two epsidoes, the last one I saw was when Vince and Howard snogged! My favourite, perhaps ever, was the crimp off, sheer gold, crimping is amazing, my housemate always has snippets of crimp caught in his head,
Quote:
ooh ooh ooh i did a twisty
ooh ooh ooh a tiny twisty
Crimpty Crimpty Now now
Crimpty Crimpty ask me how


In my mind even though you have signed yourself Boo, you're really Noel Fielding in cognito!
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Dec 2007, 12:04    Post subject:  

Hi Thomas,

xdelta.pet ran perfectly on v3.01..thx

Ok...did the xdelta patch....works like a charm (thx klu9)....md5sum had an error but I looked at the numbers and they were right...maybe an extra space or something...dunno.

wNOPv0.2 burned and runs ok though.

Tested on a All-in-Wonder ATI 9800 Pro (R350)....

I had a hang at xorg so did a control-alt-backspace and the xorgwizard finished correctly...dunno that one either...maybe because of no swap on test machine yet.

EDIT: the xorgwizard is a problem on my local machine not wNOP...sorry...

All in all...woofwoof!!

Eric

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klu9

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Dec 2007, 18:44    Post subject:  

Caneri wrote:
Ok...did the xdelta patch....works like a charm (thx klu9)....md5sum had an error but I looked at the numbers and they were right...maybe an extra space or something...dunno.
I'm pretty sure the MD5 issue is just formatting: of what's in the MD5 file, and of the filename of the MD5 file.

I think if one strictly follows the instructions found on the MD5 wiki page for **creating** the MD5 file, it works out OK.
Code:
md5sum puppy-puplet.iso > puppy-puplet.iso.md5

Main thing is the MD5's filename is just the ISO's filename with ".md5" or .md5.txt" on the end.
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cf13

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 15:45    Post subject:  

Hi!

Well, I've tried, although searching in compiz wiki my graphics card didn't seem to be blacklisted, in wNOP it is Crying or Very sad

When I tried SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz-manager I've got:

Quote:
Checking for Xgl: not present.
Detected PCI ID for VGA: Flags: bus master, VGA palette snoop, stepping, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11
Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
Trying again with indirect rendering:
Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present.
Checking for non power of two support: Not present.
SKIP_CHECKS is yes, so continuing despite problems.
Checking for nVidia: not present.
Checking for FBConfig: present.
Checking for Xgl: not present.
Starting emerald
/usr/bin/compiz (core) - Fatal: Root visual is not a double buffered GL visual
/usr/bin/compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0
/usr/bin/compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0


And simply running compiz-manager when restarting x

Quote:
Checking for Xgl: not present.
Detected PCI ID for VGA: Flags: bus master, VGA palette snoop, stepping, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11
Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
Trying again with indirect rendering:
Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present.
Checking for non power of two support: Not present.
aborting and using fallback: /usr/local/bin/xfwm4

** (xfwm4:4166): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running


Then I killed xfwm4, and the window borders disappear and windows got stuck.

Do you think it would be any possibility in the future, I could run compiz?

Anyway thanks tombh for your great work.
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tombh


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 17:22    Post subject:  

@cf13: Thanks for trying, but it was as expected, failure on the "non power of two support", it seems to be the most common dependency that most older cards fail on. I'm afraid that future versions of Compiz-Fusion (and so wNOP) will probably not support card either Sad The best thing is to get a new graphics card.
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tombh


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 17:31    Post subject:  

@klu9, @Caneri: Oops, wNOP-v0.2.iso.md5.txt didn't have the filename at the end. Fixed now.
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prehistoric


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Dec 2007, 18:27    Post subject: retronyms and a challenge  

@Tombh,

Your suggestion that all words, (except possibly "hoot" and "ugh",) are retronyms has the brain trust in conclave. Meanwhile, here's a new implementation challenge.
http://www.sff.net/people/lucy-snyder/badgerlinux.html

Edit: Almost forgot my original purpose for that link. Needed to explain the finding that as far as wNOP 0.2 is concerned a Matrox G200 is a dead badger, while a GeForce 4 MX is above the badger threshold.

Added: Now have wNOP 0.2 running and wobbling on a 350 MHz P II with 320 MB RAM and a GeForce 3 (nv20). Actually seems usable.

prehistoric
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Boo2themoon


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 12:04    Post subject:  

Hi Tom,

Sorry for the late post, I've been to Shakespeare country for a couple of days, very nice.

wNOP is indeed local produce but downloaded from Canada.........Tiz a fantastically crazzy world!

Thanks for the "super" key and keyboard tips. I just tried it out and its snowing! Probably the only snow we will see in Brizzle. Gonna install Java next so my kids can play the all important Runescape.

Good luck to your friend who wants a houseboat. The boat itself will be no probs but moorings are as rare as a Linux virus! Another friend recently purchased two concrete barges from an auction. They seemed to be a bargain but because they came without moorings he is completely stuffed. They will likely end up as hardcore.

As for the Mighty Boosh, yeah luv em too. Although my avatar is really me. "its my look" A favorite episode would be difficult to choose but I recently re-watched "The priest and the beast" from series two. Featuring the Santana-esque characters Rudi, the psychedelic monk with a door in his head and Spider (so called coz of his 8 love pumps) the wild man of rock. Very funny and well put together, some great music too! Did you catch Jonathan Ross "crimping" on Jimmy Carrs show last night? Noel Fielding was there too, he seems to be on quite a lot of shows at the moment. Crimping is catching on!

Anyhow, best not let the Boosh hijack your thread any further.

I think Puppy is going to have a great year. With CF, xdelta patches, service packs, retro pups, CE innovations and Dingo etc, etc. Its going to be fun just tyring to keep up!

A very Happy New Year to you and anyone else reading this.

Boo
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Caneri

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 16:55    Post subject:  

ok now..how do the rest of us watch The Mighty Boosh?

Sounds like "HitchHikers Guide"...any connection?

So give us a link to check it out.

Don't worry about wNOP coming from Canada..my family is from Carlisle...Lakes District...River Esk...Muncaster Castle..so it's still kind of local so to speak...just without the accent..lol

Eric

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Jan 2008, 10:07    Post subject: The Mighty Boosh  

Hi Eric,

Here is a Mighty Boosh link for you Very Happy

http://uk.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9702C829585B23A4

I couldn't find any full episodes but the clips should give you an idea of what they're about.

Thanks for hosting all things Puppy. It certainly makes finding stuff a lot easier.

Hope you enjoy the clips,

Boo

I guess I should mention that this is "off the wall" British humour with an adult target audience and may not be everyone's "cup of tea"
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