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#211 Post by brymway »

OK now I'm thoroughly confused. I was excited about a christian oriented Puppy and forum/website. I thought I had it all organized in my mind. But this evening I look and see a post on lighthouse alpha, lighthouse beta, churchpup forum and I also know of Livingwater 3.xx and Livingwater 4.xx. Are they completely separate? Are we all of one accord? What's the difference between the two? I thought Ttuuxxx's new Livingwater Dingo was going to cover it all. Anyone care to clear me up? I want to know which one to get involved with.
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#212 Post by Trobin »

Best advice I can give is to try them all and go with the one you like the best.
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#213 Post by Subito Piano »

Hi! I'll speak from my perspective (as the website/PR man for ChurchPup) and let others add theirs as well.

ChurchPup came out of a desire for a Christian-oriented Puppy, like Ubuntu CE or the old Ichthux. JanitorofGod put it all together as far as RC2, but after that we have not heard from him.

From the beginning, there was talk of a "lite" version of ChurchPup. Up to the plate steps ttuuxxx (we are now in the presence of great men :D ) who did a wonderful job with his version, called LivingWater. He was been very helpful to ChurchPup all along (and many others!!) and the ChurchPup page links to Living Water as a "sister" version of ChurchPup; while their goals are similar, they are distinct projects. Ttuuxxx also has other good versions he has worked on listed on his home page; you may also wish to visit the Living Water forum.

Now interest in ChurchPup is again stirring and KF6SNJ is thinking of reworking a new version, tentatively called ChurchPup - Concordia (see above post).

Lighthouse Pup is a great, full-featured Puppy with (some?) KDE, but not a "Christian" version; by that i mean there is no filtering, Bible studies, themes, etc. Of course, it is also a great version, all depending on what a user wants.

Hope this helps!

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#214 Post by Subito Piano »

KF6SNJ : I ran across PSword -- it looks worth checking out. I know ttuuxxx is putting a LOT of work into GnomeSword/BibleTime for Living Water; PSword may not match up to what he's doing (?) but it would be nice to similarly have a standalone Bible program included in ChurchPup. BibleDesktop (presently in ChurchPup) doesn't impress me, i think we can do better. (Why did i say "we?" I can remaster but i can't really build...)

Food for thought...

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#215 Post by KF6SNJ »

I'll check into this weekend. Thanks for the tip. Right now I am getting ready for a copy of simple tests. Amongst other things, I am going to test the current version of FirePup with Puppy 4.1 from live CD. Also, I am still putting together a list of default bookmarks. I am open to some suggestions on this.
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#216 Post by Subito Piano »

FOrgive me if this is a repeat

suggested bookmarks
http://www.blueletterbible.org
http://www.biblegateway.com
http://unbound.biola.edu/ (unbound Bible)
-- these may be superfluous if you have PSword or BibleDesktop -- ??

Then there are things like Focus on the Family, WorldNetDaily, etc. I'm not sure whether these kind of sites, as good as they are, should be included as bookmarks or not, since people already have their favorites.

I would very much like to see the ProCon installation retained, as a dialog which comes up on first use of FirePup, assuming it is compatible. It just makes sense (to me) since this is a Christian distro, to have such filtering already installed. Perhaps also AdBlock Plus, Filterset G Updater, and FasterFox. IDK -- i always use these three, but you may be aware of some drawbacks to them.

Keep up the good work!

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#217 Post by KF6SNJ »

I took a look at the Psword thread. Looks interesting. However, I am not certain it is ready to be included as part of a derivative yet. I think that Psword has great potential and I look forward to seeing how it progresses. However, right now I think it isn't quite ready for what I am doing. Still, I will test it this weekend just to see what it looks like. I could be wrong. I'm too tired tonight to test anything, really busy day at the warehouse and I suspect tomorrow will be more of the same.

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#218 Post by KF6SNJ »

Well, ChurchPup 4.1 Concordia Edition is coming into focus. I have chosen to set the Book of Concord website as the default homepage for Opera. Given that we are calling it "Concordia", I felt it was appropriate. I also opted to install Dillo2 and FirePup. They both worked nicely and will help to give people a choice of web browsers (I am also leaving seamonkey in). Yes, four web browsers may seem excessive, but I think it will be fine. I will set Opera as the default web browser soon.

I might yet include Psword as an additional bible study tool along with BibleDesktop. I am not certain if Psword is ready for inclusion in a derivative yet, but if there are enough people who want it, I don't mind.


I do have one request, ttuuxxx, do you think you could put together a pet package that would allow for the installation of ttuuxxx tv? I would like to include that in Concordia if possible. Thanks.
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#219 Post by Subito Piano »

KF -- idk if you are still thinking about an included Bibe Study program but i ran across BPBible today. It works instantly under wine and provides an offline Bible study tools based on the Sword project/Crosswire. Might be worth a look!

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#220 Post by KF6SNJ »

Interesting. I will look a little closer tomorrow. However, I would prefer something that ran linux native and not via an emulator. Still, if it could be compiled for puppy, it might be promising. I did download the source and may attempt to compile it. Who knows, it we can get it to work and its not too big, it may be a viable alternative to BibleDesktop.
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#221 Post by KF6SNJ »

I am trying to figure out how to compile Pbible. If we can get it to work, I may include it in the alpha 2 as a replacement for BibleDesktop. Also, the official ChurchPup Concordia Edition thread is here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34664

The alpha 1 can be found there. I am now working on the alpha 2. Should be ready in about a month (I am going to spend some time working on desktop backgrounds and following development of some interesting packages that may be worth including).

Lets get the puppy off the ground.
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#222 Post by Subito Piano »

Question: since KF is doing a new ChurchPup version (Concordia) should i quietly drop the "RC2" designation from ChruchPup? It's going on a year since it was put out as a release candidate and it looks like no more work is being done on the original version. Let me know your thoughts. (I'm asking the same question on the ChurchPup Concordia Edition forum.)

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Still active??

#223 Post by tom4jesus »

Hey,

Was wondering if this project is still active and are there any new developments?
Or has all development moved on to the Concordia edition?

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#224 Post by strangerandapilgrim »

I believe it's done for. Now they are going over to the ChurchPup Concordia, also ttuuxxx is releasing a newer version of LivingWaters (highly anticipating that one myself!) I'm not involved with churchpup so I could be wrong, but I've used it and I've followed the thread so I believe I'm right.

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#225 Post by Subito Piano »

Hmmm...good question....

It's correct to say that any new ChurchPup action is in Concordia -- and, like stranger, i'm also awaiting the newest LW. However, both these projects seem to have stagnated (hopefully not forever!) and i'm not sure what else is going to happen with ChurchPup per se. Again, i handle PR and the ChurchPup website -- i'm open for anyone who wants to pick up the ball bringing ChurchPup up to 4.1.2 or whatever. I could do a remaster but that's it -- and it's impossible for me to find the time except maybe during the summers.

Soooooooo....anyone who wants to pick this up is invited. Meantime, i keep monitoring the ChuchPup forum and keep the website up-to-date.

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#226 Post by tom4jesus »

Thanks for the reply strangerandpilgrim and Subito Piano

Similar to you guys I am in a position of just not having the Linux/computer know-how for taking on anything like this and will just have to hope someone takes up the Churchpup project to lead it. It seems like a great established venture with a lot of potential for growth in the Christian community.

I do like the Concordia edition but I also share the opinion of others that there needs be a project like the original ChurchPup that has a more non-denominational approach and appeal to the church as a whole. No offense at all intended to the Concordia developer I certainly encourage any Christian to get involved and produce a great tool like that, and he certainly has a right too, but the Lutheran slant to the project IMHO does limit its scope and would keep some from getting involved or using it.

Livingwaters is a great project and I use it all the time, I do know from a few postings from ttuuxx he does have plans to keep livingwaters going for a while and will eventually release an updated version.
He is one of the developers for 4.2 since Barrry stepped down and is quite busy with that now.
But I too will anticipate future releases. He has been very helpful to me with both using livingwaters and a Bible program I was interested in.

I am new to Puppy and Linux, but as a new hobby I am planning on learning more and hope to someday be able to be involved in development on a Christian project like this.

One problem I think inherent to any of these projects, and even Puppy Linux itself, is having one person mainly doing most of the work. When anything happens to that one person either by choice or necessity and they move on to other things the project ends.

It needs to be a community effort. What keeps the larger Linux distros going is a larger community team approach, and by necessity Puppy is heading that way too.
I can really see the potential for Christians working together to use Linux as a great tool in the Church if a community approach is taken.

Blessings in Jesus,
Tom

P.S. Subito Piano I see you are from down in the "Family Life Network" area of NY. I am in Depew a suburb of Buffalo.
We get FLN up here and it is my favorite Christian radio station. I have been with my kids down to their ministry in Bath to see a Christian play. Great ministry, and a beautiful part of the state. I also have 5 kids and we homeschooled for a while, although my kids go to a Christian school now, with the first one off to college.

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#227 Post by ttuuxxx »

Yes Subito Piano is a great guy who been around these 2 releases ChurchPup and Living Water, The thing about ChurchPup is that its very similar to living water, originally it was missing a few faith programs that I introduced into living water and it had a larger wealth of regular main stream programs, Like Open Office, But the next release of living water will have a few versions, Originally my main goal with Living water was a scaled down version of Church Pup that offered more faith related software and less bloat. Which I think I achieved, :) It was 1/3 the size. But now that I've dabbled in kde&Gnome well Its hard to choose which and what etc, But I do like the kde version packages I've been working on, like koffice+bibletime+k3b it works well but when you reset icewm for some odd reason xorg fails and won't boot back. You have to shutdown and start over. So once I'm done 4.2 I'll be back on it again. And if nobody's running ChurchPup I might put my hand up, Its really only 3-4 very large applications away from 'Living Water'
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#228 Post by edoc »

4.2 is done and released or you are done with your piece of it?
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#229 Post by ttuuxxx »

edoc wrote:4.2 is done and released or you are done with your piece of it?
well what was released was 4.2 alpha 3
If you want to see the packages I supplied for this release check out
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38151
just scroll down the page a little.
For the next release I have a few programs to work out and a small amount of graphics to do, but It won't be long.
But yes my part is getting much smaller, atleast I hope so :)
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#230 Post by edoc »

Can you explain to me why the Puppy Team resolutely refuses to use voluntary push-mail to announce new releaes?

It seems a simple task that is also in everyone's best interest.

A simple web interface for sign-up could ask if they only want the Final, or if they want Alpha and/or Beta.
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