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Dougal · Posted: Tue 04 Dec 2007, 10:32 Post subject:

Here's an updated installer.

I've (hopefully) fixed the problems with frugal installs.
I've implemented the copying of the contents of the zdrv onto the HD with a full install (I never heard of this problem before...).

Dougal · Posted: Tue 04 Dec 2007, 10:36 Post subject: Re: can't get frugal to boot ?!

swarnick · Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 21

(I had trouble getting this to post. If it comes up twice I will try to delete the extra copy.)

I have two machines which won't boot any version earlier than 2.17. Actually that isn't quite true. They hang most of the time but if I turn them off and wait awhile sometimes they will boot up. They hang at "loading kernel modules". This problem has ruled out 2.14R for me. (It also rules out a personal favorite of mine, PuppyPro.)

I would like to help with fixing this but I'm not quite sure where to start. The first step would be to see what got improved in 2.17 to lower memory usage and let the modules load. The second step would be to gather info on CPU type, IDE disk type, memory size, etc. which I will do before posting again.

Vis a vis releasing: Point revisions are a good idea. Taking down the old iso isn't required as many people might not need a given fix. Waiting until everything is perfect to release is not an option as many subtle bugs will not emerge even during thorough testing. They depend on hardware/software combinations not available in the lab or on a pattern of use the testers didn't anticipate. When releasing to real users every development team must try to find the sweet spot: good enough for the vast majority of users but with niggles for obscure hardware or unanticipated usage patterns. Reaching perfection in any release of any product is an iterative process.

Finally, I can appreciate good work without being an acolyte, especially if that good work is done by volunteers.

Sage · Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 4623 Location: GB

gerry · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 944 Location: England

I'm a bit bemused by all this- what is the need for 214R? Isn't a more recent version better? Why is 214R better than all subsequent versions?

On the other hand... I notice that I may be progressing towards having a number of Puppies, all tuned to various specialities, rather than a BIG distro that does everything (when it gets round to it.)

Gerry

raffy · Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila

cb88 · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1160 Location: USA

are you saying that 2.14R is getting the gtk upgrade or 2.12? to what version is it being upgraded? if there is a forum post i have missed a link would be much apreciated...

do these fixes conflict with 2.15ce? if not perhaps whodoo could release another full release of 2.15ce... probably best to wait untill all these fixes have matured

cb88 ...thinks of running compiz on 2.12 with a minimal gtk dock (no desktop environment...but lxde looks good) and emerald window manager..... would be much more lightweight than xfce

twointo1 · Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 39

tempetuous-

I tried your directions: booted, did the pet, and then reboot with a save. When the livecd booted it did not recognize the wifi adapter. I then, modprobed zd1211, and it still did not recognize it.

I then unplugged and replugged the adapter and looked at the dmesg. It showed the following:

zd1211: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted
zd1211 - http://zd1211.ath.cx/ - r85
based on www.zdas.com.tw driver version 2.5.0.0
usbcore resgistered new driver zd1211
usb 1-1: usb disconnect, address 2
usb 1-1: new high speed device using echi_hcd and address 4
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from choice

Hopes this helps with a path to get the zd1211b chip working.

twointo1

gerry · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 944 Location: England

I tried it. I'm impressed. I like it.

Mind you, my needs are simple- no wifi.

I will need unrpm and cups to get my Canon i965 printer going, though.

Gerry

tempestuous · Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 4944 Location: Australia

Dougal

twointo1 · Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 39

tempestuous-

I did a modprobe zd1211b and it is recognized. The wifi adapter shows as wlan0. I believe this is the first time it has shown up that way. If I remember correctly, in the other versions and some other distros it shows as eth1. Problem is now connecting. Even if I turn off wep or wpa, it will not connect. I could also do a iwlist eth1(wlan0 now) scanning, but now it says it doesn't support it. This is odd. In the wizard, it shows about 8 ap's including mine.

Well, I never got ahead by giving up and I'm not about to now.

Thanks

twointo1

cb88 · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1160 Location: USA

I just booted up 2.14R and i have notice that JWM configuration is really cutdown... I don't remember if it allowed theme changeing in 2.14 but it doesn't now would be nice to get that working (nice gradient theme btw)

the rubix cube was somewhat of a selling feature for me....hehe doesn't matter

the new menu layout looks intuitive

transmisson is slow to shutdowm...

uexplor looks rather clunky... perhaps this would make a better option? http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/

i see the tabbed pmount is in... pdrive is nice too worth consideration

REALLY NEEDED: a menu entry for alsamixer it is a lifesaver (currently you have to be familiar with the command line to run it)

we that is all i see right now...

cb88 · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1160 Location: USA

english spell checking is bliss...

I encountered the usb thing.... no drive was detected by mut or pmount but here is the interesting part... pudd did detect /mnt/ub1 just though you might like to know that...

the drives on the desktop are very user frendly... I like

@Dougal could you PM me a dotpet of Hotpup id like to use it in MATH PUP