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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 05:27    Post_subject: Revised/additional boot codes.  

I originally posted the following in the Slacko 5.4 thread back in Sept 2012 where it rather got buried. It seems more appropriate to post it here as it is still IMHO, as valid as ever.

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It is evident that this forum is littered with posts relating to boot issues with typically either:

1. The main SFS or save-file not being found or
2. The incorrect sfs or save-file being loaded.

These issues generally crop up when multiple pups are in use or more advanced boot techniques are being used where the component parts of puppy are being held on different drives, sub-directories and partitions.

I am aware that BK's philosophy, with which I totally agree, is that Puppy should in the main (with the possible exception of pmedia=) be capable of booting without other boot codes & be clever enough to work things out for itself.
In addition new users should not have to concern themselves with complex boot codes.

Currently the additional codes are intended by him to provide hints/help to Puppy when more complex arrangements are deployed.

This is fine for non-advanced use as probably 90% of users will have all the puppy files together in one directory.

The current problem with advanced use seems to be that the boot codes can sometimes conflict with or undermine the search logic that hunts down the location of firstly the save-file(s) and then the main sfs & any additional sfs files that the selected save-file calls for to be loaded. Often removing a boot code can help but more often than not one has to hit on the right combination of codes by a process of trial and error.

A couple of real world working examples:

CASE 1: Kernel on 16 MEG Smartmedia with main sfs & savefile on NTFS HDD (sda1)

Code:
LABEL 5332
MENU LABEL Slacko 5.3.3.2    05/07/12
KERNEL /p5332/vmlinuz
APPEND initrd=/p5332/initrd.gz pmedia=atahd pupsfs=sda1:/p5332/puppy_slacko_5.3.3.2.sfs pdev1=sda1



CASE 2: Kernel on first Fat32 partition of USB2 flash main sfs & save file on 2nd ext4 partition of stick.

Code:
LABEL 5332
MENU LABEL Slacko 5.3.3.2    05/07/12
KERNEL /p5332/vmlinuz
APPEND initrd=/p5332/initrd.gz pmedia=usbflash pupsfs=sdb2:/p5332/puppy_slacko_5.3.3.2.sfs psavemark=2



Both of the above were a nightmare to get right. It is of course a matter for BK, but what I propose is a new boot code (say SEARCH=NO) that would totally override the search logic and codes to allow for the precise location of the following to be specified:

A: The location of vmlinuz & initrd
B: The drive, partition & directory containing the main sfs and any additional sfs files.
C: The drive, partition & directory containing the save-file(s)

This would, I believe, eliminate the uncertainty and knock this thorny issue on the head once and for all.
If UUIDs could also be adopted so much the better.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jan 2013, 03:08    Post_subject: Re: Revised/additional boot codes.  

ETP wrote:
I originally posted the following in the Slacko 5.4 thread back in Sept 2012 where it rather got buried. It seems more appropriate to post it here as it is still IMHO, as valid as ever.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is evident that this forum is littered with posts relating to boot issues with typically either:

1. The main SFS or save-file not being found or
2. The incorrect sfs or save-file being loaded.



A couple of real world working examples:

CASE 1: Kernel on 16 MEG Smartmedia with main sfs & savefile on NTFS HDD (sda1)

Code:
LABEL 5332
MENU LABEL Slacko 5.3.3.2    05/07/12
KERNEL /p5332/vmlinuz
APPEND initrd=/p5332/initrd.gz pmedia=atahd pupsfs=sda1:/p5332/puppy_slacko_5.3.3.2.sfs pdev1=sda1



CASE 2: Kernel on first Fat32 partition of USB2 flash main sfs & save file on 2nd ext4 partition of stick.

Code:
LABEL 5332
MENU LABEL Slacko 5.3.3.2    05/07/12
KERNEL /p5332/vmlinuz
APPEND initrd=/p5332/initrd.gz pmedia=usbflash pupsfs=sdb2:/p5332/puppy_slacko_5.3.3.2.sfs psavemark=2



Both of the above were a nightmare to get right. It is of course a matter for BK, but what I propose is a new boot code (say SEARCH=NO) that would totally override the search logic and codes to allow for the precise location of the following to be specified:

A: The location of vmlinuz & initrd
B: The drive, partition & directory containing the main sfs and any additional sfs files.
C: The drive, partition & directory containing the save-file(s)

This would, I believe, eliminate the uncertainty and knock this thorny issue on the head once and for all.
If UUIDs could also be adopted so much the better.


Since it seems impossible to find out what the search "logic" is, I agree that your proposed kludge would be a desirable option. Since I only boot from either LiveCD or usbinstalls, using SFSs and 2fs files saved on the hard drive, my experience is limited, but fully as dismal as yours. If there is logic in the search the loader conducts, it has succeeded in eluding me.

I'm curious about the name and path of the file you excerpt in your two examples above, BTW.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jan 2013, 04:36    Post_subject: Revised/additional boot codes.  

Otropogo,

Quote:
I'm curious about the name and path of the file you excerpt in your two examples above, BTW.


More details on CASE 1: are given in this post.

www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=645101#645101

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 01:47    Post_subject: Re: Revised/additional boot codes.  

ETP wrote:
Otropogo,

Quote:
I'm curious about the name and path of the file you excerpt in your two examples above, BTW.


More details on CASE 1: are given in this post.

www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=645101#645101


thanks,

Will try to work though your method when I can find the time. My last attempt to install Dos4Grub resulted in my having to fdisk my hard drive to regain access to it.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Mar 2013, 04:16    Post_subject: drivers
Sub_title: for printers and scanners
 

Sir
in your next puppy linux release please include drivers for all types printers and scanners new and old ones.this will make puppies complete replacement for MS windows and its software.I have been using pupplies for quit long time and it serves all my requirments.only problem i have is drivers for my pronters and scanners.hope it will be attended to in future release
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Mar 2013, 17:09    Post_subject: Re: drivers
Sub_title: for printers and scanners
 

knsridhar wrote:
Sir
in your next puppy linux release please include drivers for all types printers and scanners new and old ones.this will make puppies complete replacement for MS windows and its software.I have been using pupplies for quit long time and it serves all my requirments.only problem i have is drivers for my pronters and scanners.hope it will be attended to in future release
knsridhar


Puppy has excellent printer support, but to include every known printer that you don't use would defeat the object of having a small distro.
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Mar 2013, 15:38    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Proprietary ATI and Nvidia Drivers
 

This may not be possible due to the large size of the proprietary drivers but I'd like to see next puppy release include the catalyst (fglrx) driver for ATI cards and the Nouveau nvidia drivers.


If this is not possible would it be possible to include a boot parameter
e.g. puppy pfix=catalyst or pfix=nvidia with the ability to boot the driver
from a pupsave file.
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Mar 2013, 19:15    Post_subject:  

My wish list for the next Puppy is my wish list for the next Puppy is my wish list for the next Puppy is my wish list for the next Puppy is my wish ... ... ...

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2013, 17:00    Post_subject:  

a wish list?

i wish puppy could handle slax's modules, could install and uninstall that fast (did you try it?). or: could be more than 5 sfs loaded in the same time

or: ppm could remove lots of pets with 1 click.

or: i wish some developer tools/toys could be packed in base sfs, like tcc or bacon and not in the one big sfs with kernel sources

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PostPosted: Thu 30 May 2013, 01:35    Post_subject:  

Wishes for next puppy release (from my users list Wink )

- place jwm/rox into an external SFS file, so the desktop can easily be changed by another and builders can build alternate desktops much strongers. See this thread

- woof settings so builders can build a barebone easily. Because right now we all have hard time at removing packages and testing what dependencies are needed.

- gtkdialog for all the old scripts. See Carolina pupsaveconfig as an example

- Beware all puppy scripts can fit into a 1024x768 screen because right now many are not even readable. So if a user have a video driver problem and downgrade to 1024x768, at least he could setup his system again. (this have been a show stopper for _many_ people)

- Beware many alert popup have colors hardly readable on notebooks, like black on purple etc. Set a nice and good looking gtkdialog alert popups, all the same look and feel all over the puppy so it is easy to recognize.

- improve and simplify the video card selector with something like jockey on Ubuntu: if your video driver is there, go on with it. If your video driver is not there start with the best resolution useable, then launch later puppy-jockey to detect an additional driver on internet repository, then popup offer to download and install.

Many (many) thanks for your hard work, it is much (really much) appreciated ! Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jul 2013, 21:42    Post_subject: WPA-PSK enabling, please.  

please re-code iwlwifi.ucode to allow Intel 5100-1 device to use WPA-PSK encryption-it is capable in XPsp3. I do not know if NDISwrapper will enable the function. That, and RA2850 RTL9192SU devices similarly. Please advise.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Aug 2013, 08:43    Post_subject: broken links feedback  

i am new to linux and lupu and here is a report of what confused me. i fixed it now this is just so it can be changed in the official version

  • Startmount cannot be started from PupControl - it needs to be called with its full path /usr/local/Startmount/Startmount to function correctly. which startmount is /usr/bin/startmount which is a copy of Startmount but note that a symlink would not work either. it would be cleanest to comment line 349 in PupControl-bin and change the action path or a launch script could be made
  • quickpet links lupu_devx_528.sfs but the highest version available is lupu_devx_525.sfs
  • getflash doesnt work - the broken link to adobe.com causes the error message "Unable to contact the server, please check your internet connection". there is a package flash_install-0.1 in PPM which succeeded; otherwise, changing the link to 11.2 fixed getflash and apparently 11.2 is the last version
  • pfbpanel line 1100 manually add glipper (checking for /root/.glipper_on) to keep the tray icon from disappearing - (too bad fbpanel needs to kill the processes)

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Aug 2013, 12:22    Post_subject:  

XMF, you're running an old version of Puppy. Precise 5.5's GetFlash functions fine.
It is the last version because Flash dropped support for Linux.

Hope that clears some things up.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Aug 2013, 17:41    Post_subject:  

I'm seriously curious why VLC is not the default mediaplayer in Wary, Slacko, and Precise. Instead we get these clunky mplayer apps that have two simultaneous gui's by default until things get cleared up in Preferences. How much larger is VLC that versions can't adopt it as default player?
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Aug 2013, 20:24    Post_subject:  

This is another reason I prefer Fatdog as VLC is the default.

Size is important but not as important as functionality.

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