Fire Hydrant featherweight, Main & Inferno Released

[ttuuxxx]

Fire Hydrant 3.0b FHmainOoffice3.0b.iso 270MB Open Office (Main edition with Open Office Cut-down) excellent for computers with Pentium II, with 128MB but 256MB recommended
latest Flash, Firefox,Java, Sunbird, Fostwire and a few more!

I really liked this one....until I tried to remaster it....and when the livecd booted, the xvesa would not allow me to set the resolution.

Hope there's a fix for that problem.

Yes there is a fix for that problem but you won't like it, Its the remastering programs fault, 100% when you use the dougal remaster, it kills vesa, you have to use the puppy remaster script, but that one you have to move just about every folder on the /root to the tmp/root durring the burning or you'll loose icewm themes, all the firefox addons, the pidgin accounts, etc.
okay for the way it sits you need to move the , .purple, mozilla, icewm folder. when it tells you to sort the stufff out.
hope that helps

ttuuxxx

[tlchost]

Yes there is a fix for that problem but you won't like it, Its the remastering programs fault, 100% when you use the dougal remaster, it kills vesa, you have to use the puppy remaster script, but that one you have to move just about every folder on the /root to the tmp/root durring the burning or you'll loose icewm themes, all the firefox addons, the pidgin accounts, etc. okay for the way it sits you need to move the , .purple, mozilla, icewm folder. when it tells you to sort the stufff out.
hope that helps
ttuuxxx

Yep....really a shame...as nice as it is, having to go through all of that to remaster it is a real pain.

Thanks

[Philh]

Whodo mentioned a fix for xvesa with Dougals remaster in a 215 thread.
The file /etc/TZ needs to be made world writeable, and the file /etc/videomode doesn't exist so it needs to be created and also made world writeable.

Though I havent tried it out.

[tlchost]

Whodo mentioned a fix for xvesa with Dougals remaster in a 215 thread.
The file /etc/TZ needs to be made world writeable, and the file /etc/videomode doesn't exist so it needs to be created and also made world writeable.

Though I havent tried it out.

I think there are other "things" that have to be done....and moving stuff in and out of the tmp directory before and after remastering.

[TonshA]

ttuuxxx! I downloaded Inferno last night and i just wanted to give you my intial impression: SUPERB!! It certainly coped with all of the media formats I threw at it, anyway.

I am seriously considering using it to replace my regular Pizzapup 3.01 (so that's pretty high praise indeed)

I'll give a proper evaluation over the weekend. What sort of feedback are you looking for? I'll just try everything out and report on things I think aren't working correctly or are broken otherwise.

One thing I wanted to mention - when I saw that inferno had Inkscape installed, I said "YES!!". That's the thing that made me WANT to download it. imagine my disappointment...Inkscapelite...

Not that I want to knock Inkscapelite (Or OOo Draw for that matter - I know it is there) but Inkscape (full version) is my 'must' application, so any puppy that comes with it 'out of the box' rates very highly for me. I was able to install it on Pizzapup, but I've never managed it since then, even with downloading the gtkmm dependent library. very annoying.

Anyway - don't want to go on too much about that. Had a great little play last night - changed the 'bling' firefox theme for something a bit less 'pimped' (it WAS fun for about half an hour...then the leopard spots started to irritate ), checked out movies & music. Overall - very, very good.

more feedback in a couple of days.

Thanks a billion for this wonderful release.

DaveA

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx! I downloaded Inferno last night and i just wanted to give you my intial impression: SUPERB!! It certainly coped with all of the media formats I threw at it, anyway.

I am seriously considering using it to replace my regular Pizzapup 3.01 (so that's pretty high praise indeed)

I'll give a proper evaluation over the weekend. What sort of feedback are you looking for? I'll just try everything out and report on things I think aren't working correctly or are broken otherwise.

One thing I wanted to mention - when I saw that inferno had Inkscape installed, I said "YES!!". That's the thing that made me WANT to download it. imagine my disappointment...Inkscapelite...

Not that I want to knock Inkscapelite (Or OOo Draw for that matter - I know it is there) but Inkscape (full version) is my 'must' application, so any puppy that comes with it 'out of the box' rates very highly for me. I was able to install it on Pizzapup, but I've never managed it since then, even with downloading the gtkmm dependent library. very annoying.

Anyway - don't want to go on too much about that. Had a great little play last night - changed the 'bling' firefox theme for something a bit less 'pimped' (it WAS fun for about half an hour...then the leopard spots started to irritate ), checked out movies & music. Overall - very, very good.

more feedback in a couple of days.

Thanks a billion for this wonderful release.

DaveA

Your very much welcome, If i was you don't install it yet, Its missing a few utilities and at the moment I'm building a better version that i will include "inkscape" not the light and also someone else asked for these 2 skype alternatives and also i was asked asked for skype beta that had video, so I'll shoot than in also. As for the "PimpZilla" theme well i installed it on the schools computers,lol and it grew on me, I did it as a joke and actually started really liking it, it took 2 weeks or so, lol but I'm debating on a more "Conservative" theme. If you think of anything else before I'm finished the new one in about 4 days or so, I'll include it as long as its in reason. Thanks for your time and nice remarks
ttuuxxx

[TonshA]

If you think of anything else before I'm finished the new one in about 4 days or so, I'll include it as long as its in reason. Thanks for your time and nice remarks
ttuuxxx

Right! I didn't realise you were on such a strict timescale!

I'd be happy to install these as .PETs after a frugal install, but if you are interested, you could always add them to the 'official' Inferno:

- an image viewer of some sort. qiv is fine. When I tried viewing images last night it ran Gimpshop up every time. something simpler for viewing. GQview is my fave - but I would probably add that as a .PET

- mtpaint is still really useful for some jobs. I like it anyway. again I could just add this as a .PET

- a comic book reader? There's a shell script that can imitate cdisplay. It uses whatever image viewer you have on the system. In the example script it uses ImageMagick, but I guess you could arrange it to use anything. You can find it here http://shii.org/cdisplay
There are alternatives...cbrPager, CBview, Comix. I don't know which would have the best set of dependencies for what's already installed.

- fixing the default media player - it's still set to use gxine. If you could set the script to use your favourite mediaplayer (vlc?) but add lines for the other players - just comment them out. then people can edit them for their favourite. I think the default spreadsheet editor is broken too (probably still set to use Gnumeric). I didn't check the other 'defaults'.

- Rox's 'Open With' menu needs tidying up. Some of the apps aren't actually installed.

the last two are just tidy up items. hope I'm not being too picky. I'll try and give proper feedback tomorrow sometime.

Thanks for the quick response!

DaveA

[ttuuxxx]

If you think of anything else before I'm finished the new one in about 4 days or so, I'll include it as long as its in reason. Thanks for your time and nice remarks
ttuuxxx

Right! I didn't realise you were on such a strict timescale!

I'd be happy to install these as .PETs after a frugal install, but if you are interested, you could always add them to the 'official' Inferno:

- an image viewer of some sort. qiv is fine. When I tried viewing images last night it ran Gimpshop up every time. something simpler for viewing. GQview is my fave - but I would probably add that as a .PET

- mtpaint is still really useful for some jobs. I like it anyway. again I could just add this as a .PET

- a comic book reader? There's a shell script that can imitate cdisplay. It uses whatever image viewer you have on the system. In the example script it uses ImageMagick, but I guess you could arrange it to use anything. You can find it here http://shii.org/cdisplay
There are alternatives...cbrPager, CBview, Comix. I don't know which would have the best set of dependencies for what's already installed.

- fixing the default media player - it's still set to use gxine. If you could set the script to use your favourite mediaplayer (vlc?) but add lines for the other players - just comment them out. then people can edit them for their favourite. I think the default spreadsheet editor is broken too (probably still set to use Gnumeric). I didn't check the other 'defaults'.

- Rox's 'Open With' menu needs tidying up. Some of the apps aren't actually installed.

the last two are just tidy up items. hope I'm not being too picky. I'll try and give proper feedback tomorrow sometime.

Thanks for the quick response!

DaveA

"
the last two are just tidy up items. hope I'm not being too picky. I'll try and give proper feedback tomorrow sometime." No your not to picky thats what I want to hear so that i can better the build every release, I really want to bring together an almost perfect puppy. I really do need to know what to look out for, Every time i get feedback like this it betters the next releases, so thank you for your input.

ttuuxxx

[BigEd]

have tried to run both inferno and main (open office) version now and havent been able to get them to load.
From the release notes it seems that the main realese version should run?
I get -
Loading the 'pup_300.sfs' main file...copying to ram... kenel panic - not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes....

I have 2.17 loaded on a hard drive and thought the pup_save might be causing the panic so tried booting with the puppy pfix=ram command (which i belive means ignore any saves? - im a bit of a newbie, sorry!) with this it gets as far as -
Loading the 'pup_300.sfs' main file...copying to ram... and then just freezes.
Computer is an amd 1200mhz so should be powerfull enough i think, also has a 600mb swap partition on the main drive.

[Fossil]

Featherweight holds a good balance of features and it's responsive overall. I've tried it with an old Pentium 333 mHz, 256 megs of ram and an old 500 meg's swap drive without any problems.
Firefox is (naturally) a bit slow to start yet, runs very well once under way but - it's still slow for an old computer. Any chance of changing to Opera?
The one small problem is Pmount. It fills all of the vertical part of the 1024x768 resolution screen. In particular, the CD/DVD icons, are vast orange things, 42 mm's across! Add to that the multiple hard drives + pen drive('s) and the base is obscured. There's no way to resize it. This feature occurs on several machines. Might I suggest swapping the primary mounting device to MUT, and leaving Pmount on the menu?
Thanks.

[ttuuxxx]

Featherweight holds a good balance of features and it's responsive overall. I've tried it with an old Pentium 333 mHz, 256 megs of ram and an old 500 meg's swap drive without any problems.
Firefox is (naturally) a bit slow to start yet, runs very well once under way but - it's still slow for an old computer. Any chance of changing to Opera?
The one small problem is Pmount. It fills all of the vertical part of the 1024x768 resolution screen. In particular, the CD/DVD icons, are vast orange things, 42 mm's across! Add to that the multiple hard drives + pen drive('s) and the base is obscured. There's no way to resize it. This feature occurs on several machines. Might I suggest swapping the primary mounting device to MUT, and leaving Pmount on the menu?
Thanks.

Yes that will be changed in the next release, basically i was changing the "cd" icon to something more modern but the icon size was 128x128 so it was displaying at that size, I kind of liked it, so i left it and wanted to get some feedback on it, if people liked it looking that way then I would change the hard drive and floppy also, My screen resolution might be higher then yours and thus would take up your whole screen, I didn't take that into account, i'll resize the 128x128 to 48x48 and test it on say 800x600 first and see what it looks like, thanks for our input,
ttuuxxx

[tlchost]

Yes there is a fix for that problem but you won't like it,
ttuuxxx

maybe someone that's done it could post a script to move the
stuff around.

Thanks

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx! I downloaded Inferno last night and i just wanted to give you my intial impression: SUPERB!! It certainly coped with all of the media formats I threw at it, anyway.

I am seriously considering using it to replace my regular Pizzapup 3.01 (so that's pretty high praise indeed)

I'll give a proper evaluation over the weekend. What sort of feedback are you looking for? I'll just try everything out and report on things I think aren't working correctly or are broken otherwise.

One thing I wanted to mention - when I saw that inferno had Inkscape installed, I said "YES!!". That's the thing that made me WANT to download it. imagine my disappointment...Inkscapelite...

Not that I want to knock Inkscapelite (Or OOo Draw for that matter - I know it is there) but Inkscape (full version) is my 'must' application, so any puppy that comes with it 'out of the box' rates very highly for me. I was able to install it on Pizzapup, but I've never managed it since then, even with downloading the gtkmm dependent library. very annoying.

Anyway - don't want to go on too much about that. Had a great little play last night - changed the 'bling' firefox theme for something a bit less 'pimped' (it WAS fun for about half an hour...then the leopard spots started to irritate ), checked out movies & music. Overall - very, very good.

more feedback in a couple of days.

Thanks a billion for this wonderful release.

DaveA

just because you wanted inkscape I fix the latest pet package and now it works just fine, here a link to the working inscape, uninstall any others you might have, if you have inkscapelite installed no need to uninstall it, it uses a different directory http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/progra ... repack.pet

[floborg]

Tried FHMain w/Abi and noticed that the Java soundbank was awfully small. It's size didn't match up to any of the 3 listed on Sun's website.

Anyway, for people looking for better Java sound, replace the soundbank.gpm file in /usr/java/audio with one of the 3 versions on Sun's site.

[nic2109]

Hi; I downloaded FH Featherweight and it all looks great.

So I tried a Frugal install followed by GRUB which I set to boot from the same partition. It all seemed to go well until I clicked on 'Reboot'. Rather alarmingly the screen went black immediately, and everything had frozen. The only way out was the physical off switch. The next system boot-up went to GRUB OK, but that gave Error 15 - file not found.

Not very friendly!

What's wrong, and how can I avoid it next time?

[ttuuxxx]

Hi; I downloaded FH Featherweight and it all looks great.

So I tried a Frugal install followed by GRUB which I set to boot from the same partition. It all seemed to go well until I clicked on 'Reboot'. Rather alarmingly the screen went black immediately, and everything had frozen. The only way out was the physical off switch. The next system boot-up went to GRUB OK, but that gave Error 15 - file not found.

Not very friendly!

What's wrong, and how can I avoid it next time?

I'm finishing 3.01c and uploading tomorrow, What your problem sounds like a video driver, you might want to try another driver, if your using xorg, do the test and then hit ctrl+Alt+backspace and then try the generic drivers, the generic drivers are excellent actually i use them as my default drivers because it allows me to use tv-out on my video card and i can watch movies from my pc to my tv.

ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Fire Hydrant 3.0b FHmainOoffice3.0b.iso 270MB Open Office (Main edition with Open Office Cut-down) excellent for computers with Pentium II, with 128MB but 256MB recommended
latest Flash, Firefox,Java, Sunbird, Fostwire and a few more!

I really liked this one....until I tried to remaster it....and when the livecd booted, the xvesa would not allow me to set the resolution.

Hope there's a fix for that problem.

If you were trying to remaster it maybe give me a list of changes you wanted and i could possibly do them and make you a remastered one, just tell me which release its based on
ttuuxxx

[tlchost]

If you were trying to remaster it maybe give me a list of changes you wanted and i could possibly do them and make you a remastered one, just tell me which release its based on
ttuuxxx

THanks for the very gracious offer....but most of what I had changed was a lot of scripts I run as root...bookmarks, and things like that....

Perhaps I don't need to remaster it....if I make changes...and then it boots up reading in the main sfs file and all the changes....can I then save it to a DVD with your intitial distro? Seems to me that might work and then I wouldn't have to read in all the change files????

Thanks

[TonshA]

just because you wanted inkscape I fix the latest pet package and now it works just fine, here a link to the working inscape, uninstall any others you might have, if you have inkscapelite installed no need to uninstall it, it uses a different directory http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/progra ... repack.pet

It's Monday morning here in the UK, and I attempted to give Inferno a more thorough test last night. Unfortunately, what with interruptions and such like, I was only able to get through part of it:

- I copied pup300.sfs and ZDRV.sfs to the hard drive to perfrom quicker re-boots. After saving the pup_save.2fs, I re-booted and some of the desktop icons reverted to coloured Crystal icons (Home, Computer [pmount], Console, Firefox). I've seen this before, but can't remember the fix.

- GMplayer: for some reason, viewing in full screen doesn't re-size the video image. Only the window went to full screen. weird. I tried the other video players and they were fine.

- The Inkscape .PET installed perfectly, and worked fine. But (and I'm being picky again) it was v0.43 not 0.45, which I think was the latest version available for Puppy. I'm using 0.45 on Pizzapup at the moment anyway. Not to worry - I can always use Pizza if I need to use inkscape.

There's loads I didn't try unfortunately. I need to migrate my mail over from Sylpheed and try Thunderbird (Haven't played with TB for over 2 years now). I also installed Gekko's mrxvt just for the eye candy. Tried installing Dougal's HotPup (the drive mounter) but ran into a couple of problems. I'm still playing with that. Didn't get to install GQView. I'll post a screenshot of my set up when I get home.

DaveA

[ttuuxxx]

just because you wanted inkscape I fix the latest pet package and now it works just fine, here a link to the working inkscape, uninstall any others you might have, if you have inkscapelite installed no need to uninstall it, it uses a different directory http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/progra ... repack.pet

It's Monday morning here in the UK, and I attempted to give Inferno a more thorough test last night. Unfortunately, what with interruptions and such like, I was only able to get through part of it:

- I copied pup300.sfs and ZDRV.sfs to the hard drive to perfrom quicker re-boots. After saving the pup_save.2fs, I re-booted and some of the desktop icons reverted to coloured Crystal icons (Home, Computer [pmount], Console, Firefox). I've seen this before, but can't remember the fix.
--(I should of replaced the icons instead of setting them.)

- GMplayer: for some reason, viewing in full screen doesn't re-size the video image. Only the window went to full screen. weird. I tried the other video players and they were fine.
-- (Gmplayer was just a standard pet package the main release and the matching codec pack, I'll have to think about that one.)

- The Inkscape .PET installed perfectly, and worked fine. But (and I'm being picky again) it was v0.43 not 0.45, which I think was the latest version available for Puppy. I'm using 0.45 on Pizzapup at the moment anyway. Not to worry - I can always use Pizza if I need to use inkscape.
--(I spent hours trying to get that one going for you, lol v0.43 vs 0.45 i guess you are a bit picky, I'll see later on about the v.45, I'm glad the package i repacked worked, That was my first pet package, I've made a couple since.

There's loads I didn't try unfortunately. I need to migrate my mail over from Sylpheed and try Thunderbird (Haven't played with TB for over 2 years now). I also installed Gekko's mrxvt just for the eye candy. Tried installing Dougal's HotPup (the drive mounter) but ran into a couple of problems. I'm still playing with that. Didn't get to install GQView. I'll post a screenshot of my set up when I get home.
--(Thunderbird also has lighting installed, lightning is basically the calendar called Sunbird without the icon and separate application, you just click on the bottom left corner to open it up, saves space that way:)
ttuuxxx
My next release of Hire Hydrant will be based on puppy 3.01 full not fat free, Less errors and compatibility issues.
ttuuxxx


DaveA