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Fire Hydrant featherweight, Main & Inferno Released
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2007, 10:18    Post subject: Re: Fire Hydrant featherweight, Main & Inferno Released
Subject description: They said it couldn't be done by a single man, 3 releases, 1 Variant Released at once!
 

tlchost wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:


Fire Hydrant 3.0b FHmainOoffice3.0b.iso 270MB Open Office (Main edition with Open Office Cut-down) excellent for computers with Pentium II, with 128MB but 256MB recommended
latest Flash, Firefox,Java, Sunbird, Fostwire and a few more!



I really liked this one....until I tried to remaster it....and when the livecd booted, the xvesa would not allow me to set the resolution.

Hope there's a fix for that problem.


Yes there is a fix for that problem but you won't like it, Its the remastering programs fault, 100% when you use the dougal remaster, it kills vesa, you have to use the puppy remaster script, but that one you have to move just about every folder on the /root to the tmp/root durring the burning or you'll loose icewm themes, all the firefox addons, the pidgin accounts, etc.
okay for the way it sits you need to move the , .purple, mozilla, icewm folder. when it tells you to sort the stufff out.
hope that helps

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2007, 10:23    Post subject: Re: Fire Hydrant featherweight, Main & Inferno Released
Subject description: They said it couldn't be done by a single man, 3 releases, 1 Variant Released at once!
 

ttuuxxx wrote:


Yes there is a fix for that problem but you won't like it, Its the remastering programs fault, 100% when you use the dougal remaster, it kills vesa, you have to use the puppy remaster script, but that one you have to move just about every folder on the /root to the tmp/root durring the burning or you'll loose icewm themes, all the firefox addons, the pidgin accounts, etc. okay for the way it sits you need to move the , .purple, mozilla, icewm folder. when it tells you to sort the stufff out.
hope that helps
ttuuxxx


Yep....really a shame...as nice as it is, having to go through all of that to remaster it is a real pain.

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2007, 19:36    Post subject:  

Whodo mentioned a fix for xvesa with Dougals remaster in a 215 thread.
The file /etc/TZ needs to be made world writeable, and the file /etc/videomode doesn't exist so it needs to be created and also made world writeable.

Though I havent tried it out.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Nov 2007, 21:34    Post subject:  

Philh wrote:
Whodo mentioned a fix for xvesa with Dougals remaster in a 215 thread.
The file /etc/TZ needs to be made world writeable, and the file /etc/videomode doesn't exist so it needs to be created and also made world writeable.

Though I havent tried it out.


I think there are other "things" that have to be done....and moving stuff in and out of the tmp directory before and after remastering.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 04:29    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx! I downloaded Inferno last night and i just wanted to give you my intial impression: SUPERB!! It certainly coped with all of the media formats I threw at it, anyway.

I am seriously considering using it to replace my regular Pizzapup 3.01 (so that's pretty high praise indeed)

I'll give a proper evaluation over the weekend. What sort of feedback are you looking for? I'll just try everything out and report on things I think aren't working correctly or are broken otherwise.

One thing I wanted to mention - when I saw that inferno had Inkscape installed, I said "YES!!". That's the thing that made me WANT to download it. imagine my disappointment...Inkscapelite...

Not that I want to knock Inkscapelite (Or OOo Draw for that matter - I know it is there) but Inkscape (full version) is my 'must' application, so any puppy that comes with it 'out of the box' rates very highly for me. I was able to install it on Pizzapup, but I've never managed it since then, even with downloading the gtkmm dependent library. very annoying.

Anyway - don't want to go on too much about that. Had a great little play last night - changed the 'bling' firefox theme for something a bit less 'pimped' (it WAS fun for about half an hour...then the leopard spots started to irritate Very Happy), checked out movies & music. Overall - very, very good.

more feedback in a couple of days.

Thanks a billion for this wonderful release.

DaveA
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 05:07    Post subject:  

TonshA wrote:
ttuuxxx! I downloaded Inferno last night and i just wanted to give you my intial impression: SUPERB!! It certainly coped with all of the media formats I threw at it, anyway.

I am seriously considering using it to replace my regular Pizzapup 3.01 (so that's pretty high praise indeed)

I'll give a proper evaluation over the weekend. What sort of feedback are you looking for? I'll just try everything out and report on things I think aren't working correctly or are broken otherwise.

One thing I wanted to mention - when I saw that inferno had Inkscape installed, I said "YES!!". That's the thing that made me WANT to download it. imagine my disappointment...Inkscapelite...

Not that I want to knock Inkscapelite (Or OOo Draw for that matter - I know it is there) but Inkscape (full version) is my 'must' application, so any puppy that comes with it 'out of the box' rates very highly for me. I was able to install it on Pizzapup, but I've never managed it since then, even with downloading the gtkmm dependent library. very annoying.

Anyway - don't want to go on too much about that. Had a great little play last night - changed the 'bling' firefox theme for something a bit less 'pimped' (it WAS fun for about half an hour...then the leopard spots started to irritate Very Happy), checked out movies & music. Overall - very, very good.

more feedback in a couple of days.

Thanks a billion for this wonderful release.

DaveA


Your very much welcome, If i was you don't install it yet, Its missing a few utilities and at the moment I'm building a better version that i will include "inkscape" not the light and also someone else asked for these 2 skype alternatives and also i was asked asked for skype beta that had video, so I'll shoot than in also. As for the "PimpZilla" theme well i installed it on the schools computers,lol and it grew on me, I did it as a joke and actually started really liking it, it took 2 weeks or so, lol but I'm debating on a more "Conservative" theme. If you think of anything else before I'm finished the new one in about 4 days or so, I'll include it as long as its in reason. Thanks for your time and nice remarks
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 05:45    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
If you think of anything else before I'm finished the new one in about 4 days or so, I'll include it as long as its in reason. Thanks for your time and nice remarks
ttuuxxx


Right! I didn't realise you were on such a strict timescale! Laughing

I'd be happy to install these as .PETs after a frugal install, but if you are interested, you could always add them to the 'official' Inferno:

- an image viewer of some sort. qiv is fine. When I tried viewing images last night it ran Gimpshop up every time. something simpler for viewing. GQview is my fave - but I would probably add that as a .PET

- mtpaint is still really useful for some jobs. I like it anyway. again I could just add this as a .PET

- a comic book reader? There's a shell script that can imitate cdisplay. It uses whatever image viewer you have on the system. In the example script it uses ImageMagick, but I guess you could arrange it to use anything. You can find it here http://shii.org/cdisplay
There are alternatives...cbrPager, CBview, Comix. I don't know which would have the best set of dependencies for what's already installed.

- fixing the default media player - it's still set to use gxine. If you could set the script to use your favourite mediaplayer (vlc?) but add lines for the other players - just comment them out. then people can edit them for their favourite. I think the default spreadsheet editor is broken too (probably still set to use Gnumeric). I didn't check the other 'defaults'.

- Rox's 'Open With' menu needs tidying up. Some of the apps aren't actually installed.

the last two are just tidy up items. hope I'm not being too picky. I'll try and give proper feedback tomorrow sometime.

Thanks for the quick response!

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 08:57    Post subject:  

TonshA wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
If you think of anything else before I'm finished the new one in about 4 days or so, I'll include it as long as its in reason. Thanks for your time and nice remarks
ttuuxxx


Right! I didn't realise you were on such a strict timescale! Laughing

I'd be happy to install these as .PETs after a frugal install, but if you are interested, you could always add them to the 'official' Inferno:

- an image viewer of some sort. qiv is fine. When I tried viewing images last night it ran Gimpshop up every time. something simpler for viewing. GQview is my fave - but I would probably add that as a .PET

- mtpaint is still really useful for some jobs. I like it anyway. again I could just add this as a .PET

- a comic book reader? There's a shell script that can imitate cdisplay. It uses whatever image viewer you have on the system. In the example script it uses ImageMagick, but I guess you could arrange it to use anything. You can find it here http://shii.org/cdisplay
There are alternatives...cbrPager, CBview, Comix. I don't know which would have the best set of dependencies for what's already installed.

- fixing the default media player - it's still set to use gxine. If you could set the script to use your favourite mediaplayer (vlc?) but add lines for the other players - just comment them out. then people can edit them for their favourite. I think the default spreadsheet editor is broken too (probably still set to use Gnumeric). I didn't check the other 'defaults'.

- Rox's 'Open With' menu needs tidying up. Some of the apps aren't actually installed.

the last two are just tidy up items. hope I'm not being too picky. I'll try and give proper feedback tomorrow sometime.

Thanks for the quick response!

DaveA


"
the last two are just tidy up items. hope I'm not being too picky. I'll try and give proper feedback tomorrow sometime." No your not to picky thats what I want to hear so that i can better the build every release, I really want to bring together an almost perfect puppy. I really do need to know what to look out for, Every time i get feedback like this it betters the next releases, so thank you for your input. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 10:11    Post subject: 256mb ram not enough?  

have tried to run both inferno and main (open office) version now and havent been able to get them to load.
From the release notes it seems that the main realese version should run?
I get -
Loading the 'pup_300.sfs' main file...copying to ram... kenel panic - not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes....

I have 2.17 loaded on a hard drive and thought the pup_save might be causing the panic so tried booting with the puppy pfix=ram command (which i belive means ignore any saves? - im a bit of a newbie, sorry!) with this it gets as far as -
Loading the 'pup_300.sfs' main file...copying to ram... and then just freezes.
Computer is an amd 1200mhz so should be powerfull enough i think, also has a 600mb swap partition on the main drive.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 15:15    Post subject:  

Featherweight holds a good balance of features and it's responsive overall. I've tried it with an old Pentium 333 mHz, 256 megs of ram and an old 500 meg's swap drive without any problems.
Firefox is (naturally) a bit slow to start yet, runs very well once under way but - it's still slow for an old computer. Any chance of changing to Opera?
The one small problem is Pmount. It fills all of the vertical part of the 1024x768 resolution screen. In particular, the CD/DVD icons, are vast orange things, 42 mm's across! Add to that the multiple hard drives + pen drive('s) and the base is obscured. There's no way to resize it. This feature occurs on several machines. Might I suggest swapping the primary mounting device to MUT, and leaving Pmount on the menu?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 19:11    Post subject:  

Fossil wrote:
Featherweight holds a good balance of features and it's responsive overall. I've tried it with an old Pentium 333 mHz, 256 megs of ram and an old 500 meg's swap drive without any problems.
Firefox is (naturally) a bit slow to start yet, runs very well once under way but - it's still slow for an old computer. Any chance of changing to Opera?
The one small problem is Pmount. It fills all of the vertical part of the 1024x768 resolution screen. In particular, the CD/DVD icons, are vast orange things, 42 mm's across! Add to that the multiple hard drives + pen drive('s) and the base is obscured. There's no way to resize it. This feature occurs on several machines. Might I suggest swapping the primary mounting device to MUT, and leaving Pmount on the menu?
Thanks.


Yes that will be changed in the next release, basically i was changing the "cd" icon to something more modern but the icon size was 128x128 so it was displaying at that size, I kind of liked it, so i left it and wanted to get some feedback on it, if people liked it looking that way then I would change the hard drive and floppy also, My screen resolution might be higher then yours and thus would take up your whole screen, I didn't take that into account, i'll resize the 128x128 to 48x48 and test it on say 800x600 first and see what it looks like, thanks for our input,
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Nov 2007, 22:03    Post subject: Re: Fire Hydrant featherweight, Main & Inferno Released
Subject description: They said it couldn't be done by a single man, 3 releases, 1 Variant Released at once!
 

ttuuxxx wrote:


Yes there is a fix for that problem but you won't like it,
ttuuxxx


maybe someone that's done it could post a script to move the
stuff around.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Dec 2007, 02:13    Post subject:  

TonshA wrote:
ttuuxxx! I downloaded Inferno last night and i just wanted to give you my intial impression: SUPERB!! It certainly coped with all of the media formats I threw at it, anyway.

I am seriously considering using it to replace my regular Pizzapup 3.01 (so that's pretty high praise indeed)

I'll give a proper evaluation over the weekend. What sort of feedback are you looking for? I'll just try everything out and report on things I think aren't working correctly or are broken otherwise.

One thing I wanted to mention - when I saw that inferno had Inkscape installed, I said "YES!!". That's the thing that made me WANT to download it. imagine my disappointment...Inkscapelite...

Not that I want to knock Inkscapelite (Or OOo Draw for that matter - I know it is there) but Inkscape (full version) is my 'must' application, so any puppy that comes with it 'out of the box' rates very highly for me. I was able to install it on Pizzapup, but I've never managed it since then, even with downloading the gtkmm dependent library. very annoying.

Anyway - don't want to go on too much about that. Had a great little play last night - changed the 'bling' firefox theme for something a bit less 'pimped' (it WAS fun for about half an hour...then the leopard spots started to irritate Very Happy), checked out movies & music. Overall - very, very good.

more feedback in a couple of days.

Thanks a billion for this wonderful release.

DaveA


just because you wanted inkscape I fix the latest pet package and now it works just fine, here a link to the working inscape, uninstall any others you might have, if you have inkscapelite installed no need to uninstall it, it uses a different directory Smile http://www.puppylinux.ca/ttuuxxx/programs/inkscape-0.43_ttuuxxx_repack.pet
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Dec 2007, 14:48    Post subject:  

Tried FHMain w/Abi and noticed that the Java soundbank was awfully small. It's size didn't match up to any of the 3 listed on Sun's website.

Anyway, for people looking for better Java sound, replace the soundbank.gpm file in /usr/java/audio with one of the 3 versions on Sun's site.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Dec 2007, 11:05    Post subject: Featherweight Crash  

Hi; I downloaded FH Featherweight and it all looks great.

So I tried a Frugal install followed by GRUB which I set to boot from the same partition. It all seemed to go well until I clicked on 'Reboot'. Rather alarmingly the screen went black immediately, and everything had frozen. The only way out was the physical off switch. The next system boot-up went to GRUB OK, but that gave Error 15 - file not found.

Not very friendly!

What's wrong, and how can I avoid it next time?
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