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Posted: Sat 24 Nov 2007, 11:33
by tony
What is OLPC's marketing strategy?

It might not be in their interest to have any Tom, Dick or Harry putting their own software on the computer.

Regards Tony

Posted: Sat 24 Nov 2007, 12:35
by mcewanw
tony wrote:What is OLPC's marketing strategy?

It might not be in their interest to have any Tom, Dick or Harry putting their own software on the computer.

Regards Tony
I agree. Been saying almost exactly that on another thread about the Intel Classmate vs. OLPC:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 0&start=15

Running Puppy on the OLPC should not change anything

Posted: Mon 26 Nov 2007, 15:17
by rrolsbe
mcewanw

Did not have time to read the thread you referenced in your post; however, Running PuppyOS from a USB stick should only use the internal RAM in the OLPC and not effect the internal hardware/software on subsequent boots with the Puppy USB stick not installed. This is how I run Puppy now on my Compaq Laptop. After I learn how to backup and restore the OLPC internal OS, Installing PuppyOS onto the internal NAND flash might be something to consider down the road. However, this would require more work as Puppy would need to handle wear leveling using a file system like jffs. Since the unit only has a 30 day warranty, I won't try anything radical until well after that.

Regards
Ron

Re: Running Puppy on the OLPC should not change anything

Posted: Mon 26 Nov 2007, 16:39
by HairyWill
rrolsbe wrote:Puppy would need to handle wear leveling using a file system like jffs.
There are lots of people (I think) already using puppy with solid state storage devices such as USB pen drives and IDE-Compact Flash adapters. The intel classmates that Barry has also use solid state storage.

When installed to compact flash or USB pen drive with sufficient RAM puppy only writes to storage once every 30 minutes thats less than 18,000 writes per year if you leave it on 24/7.

Posted: Mon 26 Nov 2007, 17:02
by alienjeff
HarryWill wrote:When installed to compact flash or USB pen drive with sufficient RAM ...
From http://puppylinux.com/blog/?p=41:
BarryKauler wrote:The Universal Installer still won’t install to USB. I haven’t gotten around to that yet.
Remember: horse first, then cart.

Posted: Mon 26 Nov 2007, 17:35
by HairyWill
the solution as always...

go back to a stable version

I'm using 3.01 but I think that my most functional version was 2.16
at some point after 2.14 the celery 400 in the corner with an ancient soundblaster card and isa nic stopped being so easy to setup and dropped its config on boot.

Life's full of compromises.

Posted: Tue 27 Nov 2007, 07:46
by BarryK
HairyWill, yes, I also think that v2.16.x was very good. As I have experienced difficulty using the latest Puppy with an older kernel, perhaps an alternative -- now, this is just speculation -- is that the 2.16 series could be continued, but updated with recent gtk libraries and apps, plus all the various script enhancements.

Continuing the speculative thought... if someone who uses 2.16.1 can compile gtk 2.12.x and then abiword, gnumeric, etc., I can contribute by backporting all the script enhancements. The 2.1x series uses an older gcc compiler and glibc that are very mature and rock solid. Plus of course the older kernel. We could put cups into it also.

compile gtk 2.12

Posted: Tue 27 Nov 2007, 13:00
by tronkel
Just had a go at compiling GTK+2.12 in Puppy 2.16.1

Problems with dependencies including Pango

Will try again at the weekend after I return from Prague. My better half receives her "Habil" there at Karls University.

Pity she's not a Prof. in Computer Science as well. Ah well, can't have everything I suppose!

Re: compile gtk 2.12

Posted: Wed 28 Nov 2007, 00:55
by BarryK
tronkel wrote:Just had a go at compiling GTK+2.12 in Puppy 2.16.1

Problems with dependencies including Pango

Will try again at the weekend after I return from Prague. My better half receives her "Habil" there at Karls University.

Pity she's not a Prof. in Computer Science as well. Ah well, can't have everything I suppose!
Yes, it's not just the gtk package, there's a matching set of other packages -- probably if you go to gtk.org there are some instructions on what other packages are required and the order that they have to be compiled (plus compile instructions). Make sure you do
# ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-t2-linux-gnu
as a minimum, maybe more config params required for each package.
Yes, I do recall getting compile instructions from gtk.org or somewhere linked from there.

Another good thing to do is look on t2-project.org, at the "package matrix" -- they often have a patch for a package that can avoid compile and usage problems.

new thread for 2.16.1

Posted: Wed 28 Nov 2007, 01:42
by raffy
Guys, I took the liberty of setting up a new project thread about 2.16.1 (puppyluv) here:
"in-progress: PuppyLuv (2.16.1) updated with current features"
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23990

OLPC XO laptop

Posted: Fri 21 Dec 2007, 17:23
by rrolsbe
Just a quick update: My XO was delivered at 3PM yesterday. I only had a couple of hours to play around with it, but it seems geeky cool so far.

I can confirm my assertion that running PuppyOS on this beast would be WAY COOL. I read some talk about putting Debian on the OX and where someone tried Pepper unsuccessfully on their XO.

Regards
Ron

XO software

Posted: Fri 21 Dec 2007, 23:59
by raffy
The XO software is being discussed here (in relation to Puppy, that is):
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24424

Posted: Mon 24 Dec 2007, 15:01
by klu9
would an OLPC-Pup be able to take advantage of features like mesh networking?

Posted: Thu 27 Dec 2007, 07:23
by snakieee
I am new somewhat new to linux and I recently received a OLPC laptop for x-mas. I have used linux before and have put it one an old computer and an Ipod and now I wish to put it on this OLPC laptop. I think it would be neat to have Puppy linux on the little laptop because face it this is designed ranges 10 and under... not that I am old but still haha

PLEASE make a version that will work on the little computers. I believe the Puppy community will greatly appreciate and enjoy it.

Thank you,
Jake

Posted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 05:32
by PlatonicPimp
Alright, I've got my XO.

I absolutely love the hardware, even the tiny keyboard didn't bother me after long. But I hate most of the software.

The problem is, how to put Puppy on there and retain the functionality of the hardware. Here's some people experimenting with that very issue with XCFE, and some of their ad-hoc solutions.

http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=592.0

What I want is to have puppy as my core, but still be able to use all the special features of the hardware (the automatic wireless, the camera built in, and the brightness adjuster). I do not have the skills myself to do this currently, but I'd like to use this as a springboard to learn them.

so lets break it down into solvable problems. First off, what, if anything, prevents us from booting puppy from a USB?

what prevents

Posted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 05:50
by raffy
First off, what, if anything, prevents us from booting Puppy from a USB?
Answer: Access to the machine!

Barry could be lucky enough to receive one XO, see this discussion:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 7&start=15
(Some notes about booting the XO are also there.)

I will welcome one if someone from North America sends it my way (I promise to give it to a young teacher after testing it.) My PM is just a click away below. :)

Posted: Mon 31 Dec 2007, 06:10
by PlatonicPimp
Well I have mine, but I'm not parting with it. If anyone interested happens to live close by I'm more than willing to get together to tinker on it. I've got the machine but not the skills. I'd be willing to pair with someone who's in the opposite position.

Here's some people already working on it on OLPC news forums.

http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=574.0