Tecra/Protege stops booting at Xvesa and Xorg (SOLVED)

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JacquiG
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Still hopefull....

#151 Post by JacquiG »

I had the final crash it looks like on my desktop last night - installing fedora and like what I see so far. Can't even safe boot into Windows. :evil:

I'm still hopeful that I can get Puppy onto my laptop. I found these 2 links and will proceed to try them and see what results I get :D

http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/neomagic.4.html
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=146452

I'll start with x.org since it explicately makes mention of my card (MagicGraph 128XD (NM2160)) and possible configuration considerations.

Here goes nothing! :shock:

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#152 Post by JacquiG »

Well, I think I'm about ready to give up. I think I messed up following the instructions in the one thread, or the changes took place but absolutely nothing has changed.

Thought I might try some other distros/installations using a boot floppy but can't mount my floppy drive on my desktop to create a boot floppy, can't boot into Windows, blahblahblah....

II guess it's time to flatten both my laptop and desktop or throw them both out the window and go buy Macs.

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#153 Post by muggins »

Jacqui,

not sounding very promising! How did you try installing fedora on the desktop? Is the floppy completely ratso, or only under windows? Because if the desktop had a CDR drive, and the floppy drive could boot, then you could try sbootmanager floppy to coerce a CDR to boot puppy.

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#154 Post by JacquiG »

Things on my desktop seem to be going ok :? Do I dare say it :shock:

I'm still running Puppy on my desktop. I thought I'd try Fedora using a DVD install but I've been mucking with my laptop all night :wink: I haven't been having much luck though :cry:

It ends up the floppy on my desktop was/is mounted even though the 'mount' dialog shows it's not and fails when I try to mount it. I found it was mounted only when I was exploring the file structure and saw it listed in the mnt directory. So I should be able to create a boot floppy. I was thinking it might be another way I could try to help install another distribution onto my laptop if I can't get Puppy working.

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#155 Post by JacquiG »

I did some more research and found some floppy drivers for my cd drive on my laptop...wow, that was long winded ;-)

I'll try it tonight and hope it works and will expand the options available to me for experimenting and getting something installed.

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NeoMagic Video Chipsets on Linux/X Window System

#156 Post by JacquiG »

Found this link specific to NeoMagic chipsets that I'm hoping will help:
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/neomagic.html

Since my problem has now become more specific to video I thought it might be appropriate to start a new thread:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 839#217839

Thanks guys...you've been great (and given me hope). Can you maybe help me out over on the other thread to get my video working? :)

Jacqui

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#157 Post by harryc »

I have a Toshiba Portege 3110ct with a Trident Cyber 9525 video chipset. I've seen this particular machine mentioned several times in this thread, but it is unclear if a fix for it made it into any particular version on Puppy. I am coming here fresh off of trying to get DSL to run Xvesa unsuccessfully on this machine. Does anyone have an answer for me, or can I help in any way?

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#158 Post by muggins »

Hello Harryc,

unfortunately I don't think JacquiG ever found a solution to
her graphics problem. Two additional compounding
problems, with getting puppy working on her computer,
were limited RAM, and inability to get puppy to boot
from the default live CD, due to external usb CD.

Just from general forum reading, it seems some have
success getting their trident cyber graphics working,
whereas others,like JacquiG, are unsuccessful.

So how much RAM does your laptop have? And if you
can boot from a CD, that's the simplest thing to try &
see whether Puppy's xorgwizard will work for you or
not.

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#159 Post by rerwin »

harryc,
Puppy 4.00+ should work with it. It will force you to use xorg, which is all that works with that hardware. Be sure you have at least 128MB RAM+swap partition.

It will probably freeze during first bootup, with an instruction to press ctrl-c. Do that and then select xorg. Please report what happens. Thanks.
Richard

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#160 Post by harryc »

Hi Richard, thanks for the reply, Puppy 4.0 worked exactly as you've described. This has been very challenging hardware to get Linux installed on, and I've finally found a home for it at Puppy. Thank-you!

@muggins, I have 128MB RAM. I cheated a bit on the install. I physically removed my hard drive and installed it in a Thinkpad, then I installed Puppy 4.0, then I put the drive back in the Portege. It came right up after the xorg/resolution selection process.
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#161 Post by muggins »

Harryc,

good to hear you were successful. I think Richard did all the hard work of getting xorgwizard to recognise the tridents. I'm curious how much RAM you had though? If you open a console and type free, what does it display?

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#162 Post by harryc »

muggins - I have 128MB of RAM and 256MB swap.

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#163 Post by rerwin »

harryc,
I am pleased that puppy4 worked for you as I expected. It can be made to avoid the ctrl-c game if you can give me a bit of information to include in future puppys.

Could you post the last line of file /etc/xorgoverrides here? I can then have that added to the standard puppy. Thanks.
Richard

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#164 Post by harryc »

Richard, I skimmed over your post too fast and didn't pay attention to the ctrl-C. I did not have to do that. I just selected xorg, and the LCD and resolution. The last line of /etc/xorgoverrides is;
oem:Trident CYBER 8820.

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#165 Post by Tonny »

Hello

harryc or rerwin , can you take a look at my post?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=33188

(problem with Trident Cyber 9382 video chipset)

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#166 Post by herrdeh »

Hi everybody,

I'll try to relaunch this old thread…

Tried to install puppy 5.3.1 slacko today on my girl's Toshiba satellite 1805 with (wow!) 1GB of RAM.

As I expected it would fail when probing the xserver. As I have a working ubuntu (but: no hardware acceleration, that was broken sometimes around ubuntu 7), I mounted the hdd and copied the (known good, exept hardware acceleration) xorg.conf to puppy's /etc/X11. startx or xwin failed both.

I do attach ubuntu's the xorg.conf here - maybe somebody will find something:

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# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# Custom file by Michael Minn

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "Kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protoxol" "ImPS/2"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier    "Trident Microsystems cyberbladeAi1d"
    Driver        "trident"
    BusID        "PCI:1:0:0"
    Option "NoDDC"
EndSection

# Section "Device"
#	Identifier  "Card0"
#	Driver      "trident"
#	VendorName  "Trident Microsystems"
#	BoardName   "CyberBladeAi1d"
#	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
# EndSection


Section "Monitor"
    Identifier    "ToshLCD"
    Option        "DPMS"
    HorizSync      30-71
    VertRefresh    50-100
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier    "Default Screen"
    Monitor       "ToshLCD"
    Device        "Trident Microsystems cyberbladeAi1d"
    DefaultDepth    16
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth        16
        Modes        "1024x768"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth        24
        Modes        "1024x768" 
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth        16
        Modes        "800x600"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection "Display"
        Depth        24
        Modes        "800x600" 
    EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

AFAIK the

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option "nodcc" 
is crucial on that machine.

As this thread has become very long: I coudnt really get clear where the most recent advice can be found. Could someone give me a hint? - NB.: Is it still valid for 5.3.1?

And another thing: ubuntu needed kernel parameters

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i915.modeset=0 noapic
not to hang during the boot procedure. Looks as if this were not necessary for puppy.

BTW.: Tried puppy on a 160MB RAM PIII today - awesome!!!!

Greetings,

Wolf

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#167 Post by herrdeh »

Finally I ended up to use puppy "wary" - this works out of the box.
Attn.: Do not "upgrade" to Xorg 7.6, as offered by the system. That one did not work on my machine.

HTH,
Wolf

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