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mcewanw
Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 3194 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon 19 Nov 2007, 18:36 Post subject:
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tempestuous wrote: | At http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=1058 drj explained how to boot Puppy Type 1 HD install from an NTFS partition using Grub4DOS/Grub4NTLDR. |
I hadn't come across that earlier post on the topic before. The new forum address for it is:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=1058
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carolus
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 128
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Posted: Wed 07 May 2008, 15:40 Post subject:
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Do these methods work with Windows XP and Vista? On XP, I can't find any file C:\boot.ini, hidden or not.
I don't have the BIOS capability to boot from USB, and don't want to touch my MBR nor in any way modify my vendor-installed Windows XP. Nor do I want to write anything to my NTFS hard drive from Puppy. (Copying files to it with Windows is OK, and minor editing of configuration files using a Windows editor is OK)
Currently I'm booting Puppy 2.16.1 from CD, but if that could be avoided it would be more convenient.
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 11889 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Wed 07 May 2008, 15:56 Post subject:
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Read here for a discussion of how to make a custom boot CD that will launch Puppy off a USB drive.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=16950
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carolus
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 128
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Posted: Wed 07 May 2008, 18:11 Post subject:
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That's what I'm doing now. If I understand this thread correctly, it describes a method of interrupting the Windows boot sequence by simply adding a line of text to a DOS/Windows configuration file called "boot.ini" rather than meddling with the MBR. If I save a copy of the original configuration file, this is something I feel confident I can undo. But I have no "boot.ini" that I can find on my Windows XP, so I am guessing that the initiator of the current thread (tempestuous, in 2005) was using an earlier version of Windows.
Apologies - boot.ini is there today. I must have been hallucinating.
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Thommo1971
Joined: 07 Jul 2008 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 05:28 Post subject:
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Will this method work with Windows 98SE on a FAT partition? If not, is there an equivalent method?
I have an Acer travelmate laptop that has no built in drives and wont boot from USB.
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muggins
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 6747 Location: hobart
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Posted: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 06:47 Post subject:
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Have you seen this tutorial? It tells you how to install puppy to a windows partition & boot without touching your computer's mbr.
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Thommo1971
Joined: 07 Jul 2008 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 08:30 Post subject:
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Thanks, muggins. I hadn't seen that before and it is really helpful. It seems to be exactly the solution I am looking for and is pitched at Linux Newbie level! So, a big thank you!
I'll let you know how I get on
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markofkane

Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Kane, IL USA
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Posted: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 16:40 Post subject:
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Edit:
Even though I got it to work this morning, I removed everything because it gave me errors after that, or would not uncompress the linux file.
I did it all over again, and got stops like
pup_400.sfs file not found
And Can't access TTY job, Job control turned off.
And all the files were in lower case, because I checked the md5 file, and it was ok, and I extracted the files with ISO buster.
I guess I am better off just booting from CD (if that still works) and use my config that I already have saved.
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ICPUG
Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1304 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 08:24 Post subject:
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markofkane,
I would have helped try to solve your problem if you had provided some details before removing the frugal Puppy.
I have had very few problem reports that have been due to Lin'N'Win. It is user error or Windows idiosyncrasies usually! I have had many success reports.
I guess one problem I did have was that it would not work on NTFS compressed directories and I did not know that. Once I knew I changed the instructions to accomodate the problem.
I guess in this case I will have to just wonder.
If a problem occurs it is nice to know some machine details; which Windows version is used; what the error message was and what the menu.lst says.
ICPUG
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markofkane

Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Kane, IL USA
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 08:46 Post subject:
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I can try it again,
I'll tell you what I know right now:
I have:
A Dell Dimension 4400, 1.6 GHz P4 processor, 1 GB of RAM, Windows XP Home, A creative LIVE soundcard, and Nvidia G-Force 5500 PCI card.
I'll be back after I attempt it again (but I do think it's a C:\ drive problem, because a lot of times, the pup_save file becomes corrupted on the C:\ drive, but not my second Hard drive)
Thanks!!
menu.lst
######################################################
# GvR Sept 30th 2004
color black/cyan yellow/cyan
timeout=5
default=0
title Default Boot on HD 0
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
boot
title Puppy Linux 4.00
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hda1 psubdir=puppy400
initrd (hd0,0)/initrd.gz
boot
######################################################
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markofkane

Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Kane, IL USA
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 09:00 Post subject:
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I just thought of something!! I am using instructions for Windows XP service pack 2!!!! I have SP3!!!!
So, that's that problem, right?
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markofkane

Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Kane, IL USA
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 09:14 Post subject:
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Alright, it worked!!(I'll have to reboot to see if it works again) But I am starting new. Can I use my old Puppy_save file?? I would like to keep my configs.
Now I got another problem: I had it save my pup_save file to my second HD, and when I reboot, it does not acknowledge it. (It starts over a s a fresh install, having to set my keyboard
and stuff over again at each boot)
what can I do? Thanks!!
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 10548 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 10:06 Post subject:
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I had same problem as you had.
But after power off from puppy several times and after shutting down from
windows again then no more such problem.
Re :" But I am starting new. Can I use my old Puppy_save file?? I would like to keep my configs. "
I got the problem that the links in the local bookmakrs was for the cd(dvd
so it had a /mnt/sda1/ where it should have been /mnt/home/
so apart from that it works.
that it didnt found it now I hope others could explain.
I managed to get it to work but I am still in sp2.
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markofkane

Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 314 Location: Kane, IL USA
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 10:54 Post subject:
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I have to start over again, I should have left well enough alone.
I could not get the boot from CD to work anymore, it would not load the pup_save files anymore without errors.
something about superblocks.
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 10548 Location: SwedenEurope
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008, 11:21 Post subject:
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Sounds a lot what did happen to me but I shut down completely serveral times
both from puppy and after logging in to windows
and IIRC I also did a new install after changing the name of the safe file
so it would not be written over. Then I changed it back.
I guess that did create what I described above but it cured all the
trouble you describe too. And then after some tweaking the links worked too.
So don't give up.
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