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full puppy OS no preset browser you select one with pet-get manager the built in package manager reduced menu clutter smaller iso
build a puppy the way you want use fat-free-pup-3.00 as your base or OS
be creative


Uploaded it today to my friend ttuuxxx he will have it on his site soon
the complete removed program list will be on ttuuxxx's site

md5sum fat-free-pup-3.00.iso
1d924fa546936f99da0f67bae2eb6855 fat-free-pup-3.00.iso

PPPoe was installed and the patch fix for ADSL users

I dont use ADSL and I know that the standard version 3 has problems with PPPoe
I added e3 back as the console editor (it was a request)

*I down graded disktype 9 back to disktype 8
based on some bug reports disktype 8 worked on version 2.17

xorg is bigger in this version so thats why the iso is bigger

I built this with unleashed so there should be no problems with xvesa if you need it


keep an eye on http://www.ttuuxxx.com
he is the web host for fat-free 3

another link thanks to caneri
http://www.puppylinux.ca/puppyfiles/custom

have fun build what you want
big_bass

big_bass wrote:Uploaded it today to my friend ttuuxxx he will have it on his site soon

keep an eye on http://www.ttuuxxx.com
he is the web host for fat-free 3

have fun build what you want
big_bass

Great! Looking forward to trying it out.

Well guys its out, As soon as i was given the file, i uploaded it to the server and released it. hope you Have fun ttuuxxx

here's big basses release notes
-fixed PPPoe alias roaring penguin
-added e3 as the console editor (was a request)
have been following the bug reports and there have been reports of pmount read errors and problems with the frugal install and problems with xvesa when you remaster
in the official puppy linux version 3.00

based on this information, down graded disktype -9 for disktype- 8
because disktype -8 was working fine before
Big Bass hopes this fixes the problem He didn't modify any scripts in the process

a list of what was removed

"abiword-2.4.5" "abiword-2.4.5: premier wordprocessor" off "GTK2APPS +fribidi,+gtk+2 6456K" \
"abiword_PLUGINS-2.4.5" "abiword_PLUGINS-2.4.5: plugins for abiword" off "GTK2APPS +abiword 1588K" \
"agenda-2.0" "agenda-2.0: Event notifier" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 64K" \"axel-1.0a" "axel-1.0a: Download accelerator" off "CONSAPPS 88K" \
"bc-1.06.95" " bc-1.06.95: An arbitrary precision calculator language" off "SLACK12 116K"
"boehm_gc-6.6" "boehm_gc-6.6: library needed by inkscape" off " +inkscape 144K" \
"bubbles-1.0.2a " "bubbles-1.0.2a: Shoot the bubbles game" off "TCLAPPS 68K" \
"bwidget-1.3.1" "bwidget-1.3.1: Widget library for Tcl/Tk" off "TCLCORE 708K" \
"cgtkcalc-2.1.6 " "cgtkcalc-2.1.6: Complex number calculator" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 112K" \
"combobox-2.3" "combobox-2.3: Widget library for Tcl/Tk" off "TCLCORE +tk 168K" \
" countdown-2003.10.27" "countdown-2003.10.27: Egg-timer" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 28K" \
"ctorrent-2.2" "ctorrent-2.2: torrent client" off " +openssl 107K" \
"cups_espgs_gutenprint- 1.1.23-8.15-5.0.0-2" "cups_espgs_gutenprint-1.1.23-8.15-5.0.0-2: printing" off " 15792K" \
"cups_pdf-0.8" "cups_pdf-0.8: print to pdf file" off " +cups_espgs_gutenprint 40K" \
"dict-1.4.9-1" "dict-1.4.9-1: Access online dictionary" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 103K" \
"didiwiki-0.5" "didiwiki-0.5: Personal wiki with HTTP server" off "XLIBAPPS 80K" \
"epdfview-0.1.6" "epdfview-0.1.6: pdf viewer" off " 1924K" \
"expensetracker-0.1.0" "expensetracker-0.1.0: track expenses" off " +gtk+2,sqlite 92K" \
" fragger-0.0.5" "fragger-0.0.5: see file fragmentation" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 19K" \
"gcrontab-0.8.0" "gcrontab-0.8.0: system scheduler" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 252K" \
"gdmap-0.7.5" "gdmap-0.7.5: Visual map disk usage" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 56K" \
"geany-20070626" "geany-20070626: programmer text editor" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 1524K" \
"gemgame-2003" "gemgame-2003: Game" off "TCLAPPS +tk 52K" \
"gnumeric-1.6.3" "gnumeric-1.6.3: premier spreadsheet editor" off "GTK2APPS +goffice,+gtk+2 4964K" \
"gnumeric_PLUGINS-1.6.3" "gnumeric_PLUGINS-1.6.3: plugins for gnumeric" off "GTK2APPS +goffice,+gnumeric 2904K" \
"goffice-0.2.1" "goffice-0.2.1: library required by gnumeric,abiword" off " 1996K" \
"gpasman-1.3.1" "gpasman-1.3.1: Keep usernames and passwords" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 40K" \
"grabc-1.1" "grabc-1.1: Pick RGB from screen" off "XLIBAPPS 28K" \
"gtail-0.5a" "gtail-0.5a: Monitor file in real-time" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 84K" \
"gtimer-1.1.6" "gtimer-1.1.6: Time jobs" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 204K" \
"gtkcat-0.1patched" "gtkcat-0.1patched: Find files and drive cataloger" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 56K" \
"gtkfind-1.0.1" "gtkfind-1.0.1: Find file utility" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 104K" \
"gtkfish-1.0.1" "gtkfish-1.0.1: Game" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 108K" \
"gtkmathview-0.7.5" "gtkmathview-0.7.5: required by AbiMathView plugin in abiword" off " +abiword_PLUGINS 1329K" \
"gtksee-0.6.0b-1" "gtksee-0.6.0b-1: Manage image files" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 396K" \"gxine-0.5.11" "gxine-0.5.11: GTK+ media player based on Xine" off "SLACK12 +xine-lib 584K" \
"homebank-3.5" "homebank-3.5: personal finances" off "PUP220 +gtk+2 540K" \
"ical-2.3.1patched" "ical-2.3.1patched: Calendar and appointments" off "TCLAPPS 690K" \
"inkscapelite-0.36.2" "inkscapelite-0.36.2: vector editor" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 2060K" \
"linneighborhood-0.6.5patched" "linneighborhood-0.6.5patched: GUI Samba tool" off "GTK1APPS +samba,+gtk+12 328K" \
"memtester-2.93.1" "memtester-2.93.1: Test RAM" off "XLIBAPPS 60K" \
"metamail-2.7" "metamail-2.7: open mail attachments, needed by sylpheed" off "CONSCORE 50K" \
"mp-3.3.7" "mp-3.3.7: Console text editor" off "CONSAPPS 172K" \
"mtpaint-3.10" "mtpaint-3.10: Bitmap graphics editor" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 448K" \
" netsurf-1.1" "netsurf-1.1: small web browser" off " +gtk+2 1052K" \
"notecase-1.6.9pre7" "notecase-1.6.9pre7: excellent outliner" off "PUP300 +gtk+2 1144K" \
" pbcdripper-2.5" "pbcdripper-2.5: Audio CD song ripper" off "GTK2APPS +xdialog,+gtkdialog2,+cdrtools 84K" \
"pconvert-2.15-1" "pconvert-2.15-1: Units converter" off "TCLAPPS +tcl,+gnocl 92K" \
"pfind-2.4" "pfind-2.4: find files" off " +gtkdialog,+gxmessage 168K" \
"pidgin-2.0.2" "pidgin-2.0.2: GTK+ instant messaging program" off "SLACK12 +startup_notification,+dbus,+dbus_glib 4596K" \
"prename-0.6" "prename-0.6: batch file renamer" off "GTK2APPS +gtkdialog3 48K" \
"pupctorrent-0.7" "pupctorrent-0.7: torrent client gui" off " +ctorrent,+gtkdialog2 104K" \
"pupdvdtool-0.8" "pupdvdtool-0.8: dvd ripper" off "GTK2APPS +vamps,+vobcopy,+ffmpeg,+dvdauthor,+gtkdialog 128K" \
"pureftpd-1.0.22-3" "pureftpd-1.0.22-3: ftp server" off "GTK1APPS 84K" \
"rdesktop-1.4.1" "rdesktop-1.4.1: " off " 336K" \
"regexpviewer-0.1" "regexpviewer-0.1: Regular expression evaluator" off "TCLAPPS 76K" \
"remotedesktopclient-2.15-2 " "remotedesktopclient-2.15-2: Remote desktop protocol client" off "TCLAPPS +tk,+rdesktop 76K" \
"ripperx-2.6.0" "ripperx-2.6.0: rip songs off cds" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 260K" \
"rubix-1.03" "rubix-1.03: Game" off "XLIBAPPS 72K" \
"samba_client-3.0.25b" "samba_client-3.0.25b: SMB file and print sharing" off "SLACK12
"seamonkey-1.1.2 " "seamonkey-1.1.2: an open-source web browser suite" off "SLACK12 46656K" \
"sockspy-2.5" "sockspy-2.5: tcp network monitor" off "TCLAPPS +uri,+tk 60K" \
" sox-12.18.1-1" "sox-12.18.1-1: universal sound sample translator" off "SLACK12 564K" \
"soxgui-0.9" "soxgui-0.9: audio file tools, frontend for sox" off "GTK2APPS +sox,+ffmpeg,+gtkdialog 76K" \
"superscan-0.8" "superscan-0.8: Network port scanner" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 104K" \
"sweep-0.9.1" "sweep-0.9.1: sound editor,recorder" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 828K" \
"tightvnc-1.2.9" "tightvnc-1.2.9: VNC client" off "XLIBAPPS 91K" \
"tkdvd-4.0.6" "tkdvd-4.0.6: DVD burner" off "MMTCLAPPS +dvd+rwtools,+cdrtools,+tk 208K" \
"tkhtml3-alpha13" "tkhtml3-alpha13: html library for tcl/tk" off " +tk 316K" \
"tkmines-2.15-1" "tkmines-2.15-1: Game" off "TCLAPPS +tk 48K" \
"transmission_gtk- 0.6.1-r1518" "transmission_gtk-0.6.1-r1518: bittorrent client" off "GTK2APPS +gtk+2 152K" \
"turma-0.1.pup1" "turma-0.1.pup1: Text search GUI" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 236K" \
"usbview-1.0" "usbview-1.0: View USB interfaces" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 64K" \
"xine-lib-1.1.7" "xine-lib-1.1.7: xine multimedia playback engine libraries" off "SLACK12 8252K" \
"xnetload-1.11.3" "xnetload-1.11.3: Network traffic monitor" off "XLIBAPPS 60K" \
"xwhois-0.4.2" "xwhois-0.4.2: Whois domain name lookup" off "GTK1APPS +gtk+12 68K" \
"ycalc-1.09.1" "ycalc-1.09.1: TI-59 scientific calculator" off "XLIBAPPS 76K" \

bonjour

by reading this sentence:

xorg is bigger in this version so thats why the iso is bigger

the question comes:

how important is Xorg really?

I did use puppy long mounths without Xorg and I think that all owners of old PC's would be more happy to have a light weigth Puppy, really "fatfree" if it would be possible to upgrade with a good external Xorg-pet!

salut

oui wrote:bonjour

by reading this sentence:

xorg is bigger in this version so thats why the iso is bigger

the question comes:

how important is Xorg really?




I did use puppy long mounths without Xorg and I think that all owners of old PC's would be more happy to have a light weigth Puppy, really "fatfree" if it would be possible to upgrade with a good external Xorg-pet!

salut

oui
I always use xvesa it saves me 24MB of memory over xorg in version 3
I like speed also using less colors 1024x768x16 is faster


big_bass

i think i will edit teh iso so that there is a package directory with most of the .pets from ibiblio that way i can install what i need from the live cd even if i am offline...

Got it to work on both my tower and laptop.

Played with adding FireFox and it's upgrade. Worked!

Good work,

NathanO

Spent three weeks evaluating 20 different Linux Distros that could fly with the OB800CT from D to U (DSL to Ubuntu)

The Fat Free PUP is outstanding! The only one as far as I am concerned.

Firstly, I can't figure out how you got all that great software, including Xorg, into that small a package. Secondly, the Distro installs to hdd very nicely. Recovery, if necessary, via xorgwizard is very smooth.

OB800CT owners would give quite a bit to know about this Distro. Only distro to recognize out of the box the unusual mouse and video specs.

Only slight challenge was to go thru 6 different wireless cards for one to pop into play (Belkin F5D6020 v2) . Surprised the Atheros DWL-G650 did not play. None played with ndiswrapper.

And, FAST...FAST! For speed on the OB800CT, no other Distro for this PC comes close to FAT FREE.

I now have resurrected a very nice PC thanks to you all.

Beautiful!

Where do I send my donation.


Alacrity

Where do I send my donation.

http://www.puppylinux.com/download/downpage.htm

bonjour big_bass

damm...

big_bass wrote:

oui wrote:bonjour

by reading this sentence:

xorg is bigger in this version so thats why the iso is bigger

the question comes:

how important is Xorg really?

I did use puppy long mounths without Xorg and I think that all owners of old PC's would be more happy to have a light weigth Puppy, really "fatfree" if it would be possible to upgrade with a good external Xorg-pet!

salut

oui
I always use xvesa it saves me 24MB of memory over xorg in version 3
I like speed also using less colors 1024x768x16 is faster

big_bass

24 MB are 1/2 of the need for puppy fatfree 2.17 !

we really need a fatfree without Xorg

in the old time puppy did not have Xorg

it was possible to install where needed Xorg with a pupget or dotpup.

i find it was better so ...

puppy fatfree 3.01 would be also only 40 MB!

great, super great!

salut

puppy fatfree 3.01 would be also only 40 MB!

Ah, a suggestion for xorg-free version in 3.01. That will be something to look forward to.

Or maybe someone could describe how to remove xorg from the current fat-free 3.00?

bonjour
also raffy

raffy wrote:

puppy fatfree 3.01 would be also only 40 MB!

Ah, a suggestion for xorg-free version in 3.01. That will be something to look forward to.

Or maybe someone could describe how to remove xorg from the current fat-free 3.00?

i thing big_bass does that himself because he writes

big_bass wrote: oui
I always use xvesa it saves me 24MB of memory over xorg in version 3
I like speed also using less colors 1024x768x16 is faster
big_bass

and if he saves 24 MB this part is not loaded or separately but I don't see the way!

perhaps explain big_bass more about that?

great, great

and esmourguit did find the way to extend Xine for the microsoft film format (*1 in his "toutou"

great, great

(the only one point that puppy don't cover at this time is also the "visiophony" / "videophony" with a program like "ekiga")

salut

françois

(*1 = European have public TV's using only this format! it is very important in time of politic events like elections etc. to have the possibility to look at the declarations of public people and, microsoft or not microsoft, to listen which restrictions they are preparing for free and open source software . it is the wrong place to refuse microsoft

Hi,

I was just wondering if you can, and how to go about, removing jwm, rox and the puppy pinboard in fat free puppy if another window manager has been installed. Plan to use fat free to build a puppy with xfce and thunar.

Cheers

PS. Is anybody else having trouble with the link to download?

fat free 3.0 is also at

http://puppylinux.ca/puppyfiles/custom/

Regards,
Eric

raffy wrote:

puppy fatfree 3.01 would be also only 40 MB!

Ah, a suggestion for xorg-free version in 3.01. That will be something to look forward to.

Or maybe someone could describe how to remove xorg from the current fat-free 3.00?

!! updated this post 1/11/2008 http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 0&start=15
the title is xorg remover script and also I posted a fix for xvesa on that same page called a fix for xvesa


Raffy I welcome and respect your suggestion(s) and I like what you did with safe pup keep up the good work



I made fatfree with xorg even though I dont use it for the people that need it ( my friend ttuuxxx said he needs it for his monitor) so, that was a good enough reason for me.Now if some other friends need only xvesa or something else just let me know


my mail fat.free.pup@gmail.com




ahh almost forgot this
**************************************
fixing your defaults browser and chat
*************************************
firefox for version 3 pet open the default browsers as text and paste this below
exec /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.4/firefox "$@"



open the default chat icon as text and paste this
exec gaimshell


if you have problems opening links posted in chat using firefox
gaim 1.5 firefox browser fix navigate using Buddy List>Tools >Preferences >Browser

then in the window that says Manual: (%s for URL) type this ----> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox

that fixes the linking problem of opening links from the chat window when using firefox as default

Joe Arose alias big_bass [/b]

Now if some other friends need only xvesa or something else just let me know

Yes, please:?:

Thank you very much for the fat-free-pup.iso, very nice!

a fat free pup less XORG would be awesome for us pendrive only users!

This is a experimental try. Would be carefull!. (Pupfat 300)
1. Copy a backup of pup_300.sfs
2. Boot with Pup301 (or other derivatives)
3. Install the Edit-SFS (author = Pizzapup) (This will be in /root/my-roxapps)
4. Use Edit-SFS to edit the pup_300.sfs file.
Now you should cd to /usr/X11R7/bin and delete two files: Xorg and xorgconfig.
Enter (change to directory) /usr/X11R7/lib and delete the xorg directory
5. Save the new edited pup_300.sfs
6. Now, use the new pup_300.sfs, boot system with this, you will config your video with Xvesa (only)
7. origin pup_300.sfs = 42 M (43368448 bytes), new pup_300.sfs = 38 M (39174144 bytes).

** You can search the Edit-SFS in this forum
Thank you

What if petget were modified to allow removal of standard packages too? It isn't set up to remove anything but user-added packages. I've been reading the code for petget and I think you could prime the buildlist with ALL the packages in packages.txt as well as livepackages.txt and alienpackages.txt. Then someone like big_bass who wanted a leaner Puppy could selectively remove even standard packages using only petget.

Another way to look at it - if the universe of packages available in unleashed (installed or not) appeared in the lists, you could pick any combination you wanted.

(I've been reading Barry's blog, using Puppy, and getting tips from the forum for quite a while, but this is my first post.) I'm very happy with Puppy as delivered - currently using 3.01 on several machines. I usually only add a couple of packages.

P.S. - to Barry and all the other developers - thank you very much for all your hard work and your generosity in giving Puppy to the world.

Hmmm, the lurking noobie's eternal dilemma - have you learned enough to make an intelligent post? In my case, not...

I knew enough to realize that removing standard packages was something that petget DIDN'T do, so I suggested it could be changed.

I didn't know enough in that pizzasgood had already done much the same thing with his petbegone. Here's the link to that thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 85&t=17035

As Emily Littella used to say, "Never mind...."