http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 869#152869
Is an excellent basis for setting Up Compiz-Fusion
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 767#150767
NOP (Nearly Office Pup) 3.01 final available for download
NOP
William7 : sorry, I know nothing of Opera fonts 
. They are fine on my machines though.
Edoc: Again, I know nothing of Oo Internet suite ???
I am a relative Linux noob myself, still learning every day, but to answer some of your questions;- NOP is only a relatively simple repackaging. I used 3.01 as a base as 4.0 wasnt even a twinkle in BK's eye at the time
. A USB stick should be easily usable as a HDD substitute. I have used USB 1.1 on my sons computer OK, but USB 2.0 is much faster. I used a 512K stick for a long time, but 1 or 2Gb stick is probably better for storing your own data (not in the pupsave file). As for RAM, it does run in 128Mb but I recommend 256Mb - especially for Open Office.
Macadavy: For an MX440 you need to use the nvidia 9643 drivers.
see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22272
Rhino : glad you like NOP - it seems to be getting quite popular
.
. They are fine on my machines though.Edoc: Again, I know nothing of Oo Internet suite ???
I am a relative Linux noob myself, still learning every day, but to answer some of your questions;- NOP is only a relatively simple repackaging. I used 3.01 as a base as 4.0 wasnt even a twinkle in BK's eye at the time
. A USB stick should be easily usable as a HDD substitute. I have used USB 1.1 on my sons computer OK, but USB 2.0 is much faster. I used a 512K stick for a long time, but 1 or 2Gb stick is probably better for storing your own data (not in the pupsave file). As for RAM, it does run in 128Mb but I recommend 256Mb - especially for Open Office.Macadavy: For an MX440 you need to use the nvidia 9643 drivers.
see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22272
Rhino : glad you like NOP - it seems to be getting quite popular
.nVidia woes
Gray: Thanks for your help with nVidia. I downloaded NVIDIA-964301-k2.6.21.7.pet & installed it in Lighthouse Puppy using the .pet installer. It gave a dependency error message that libnvidia-tls.so.1 was missing in /usr/lib/libGL.so.96.43.01 & /usr/X11R/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/
This fouled up Xorg completely, though I was able to reboot into LHPuppy using Xvesa and noted that the nVidia configurator was there - but it only displayed the initial options menu - there was no way to actually configure anything. Xorgwizard tests at boot failed.
I am loath to edit Xwin config files manually as I don't really know what I'm doing. I'll use Dougal's first rate hardware test and post the results in that thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 88&t=20202
Btw - I'm writing this in Opera in NOP3.01 - I like it much!
p.s. I noted quite a number of references to nVidia cards in general and the MX440 in particular while searching for Dougal's post so will go back and check them out for helpful tips...
This fouled up Xorg completely, though I was able to reboot into LHPuppy using Xvesa and noted that the nVidia configurator was there - but it only displayed the initial options menu - there was no way to actually configure anything. Xorgwizard tests at boot failed.
I am loath to edit Xwin config files manually as I don't really know what I'm doing. I'll use Dougal's first rate hardware test and post the results in that thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 88&t=20202
Btw - I'm writing this in Opera in NOP3.01 - I like it much!
p.s. I noted quite a number of references to nVidia cards in general and the MX440 in particular while searching for Dougal's post so will go back and check them out for helpful tips...
[i]Welcome to my weird, wild, wonderful, wired world![/i]
TLS
macadavy: your tls dependency problem is very strange. My sons computer has an MX440 card and I have tested the 9643 driver pet in both standard puppy 3.01 and NOP and it worked fine. The driver install should have created a /usr/lib/tls folder with the libnvidia-tls.so.1 file in it.
In my installation an ldd on libGL.so.96.43.01 shows it knows about the tls file. Perhaps the pet did not install correctly for some reason - or is LH pup subtely different in some way ?
In my installation an ldd on libGL.so.96.43.01 shows it knows about the tls file. Perhaps the pet did not install correctly for some reason - or is LH pup subtely different in some way ?
I am enthusiastic about Puppy NOP with Xfce and Opera: now it looks
flawless and absolutely perfect.
But to gray I have two questions: I am just downloading rev 1.
1) Is it possible with rev 1, to install dotpup in the normal way, by just
clicking on it?
Or what was your intention how to do the install of dotpup files?
2) the Gxine media player is not really working: often it will hang up, and
has to be aborted by the taskmanager. Do you see any solution for this?
You know: the player comes with all codecs and browser plugins, fully
working out of the box, which is a great advantage!!
flawless and absolutely perfect.
But to gray I have two questions: I am just downloading rev 1.
1) Is it possible with rev 1, to install dotpup in the normal way, by just
clicking on it?
Or what was your intention how to do the install of dotpup files?
2) the Gxine media player is not really working: often it will hang up, and
has to be aborted by the taskmanager. Do you see any solution for this?
You know: the player comes with all codecs and browser plugins, fully
working out of the box, which is a great advantage!!
Outside the print trade, it's not unusual to see point size confused with font. However, perhaps John or someone with editorial experience can pick this one up and write a short guide because the difference is important. Mostly, both are adjustable, but not necessarily within the same application or location.
Thanks for NOP 3.01 I'm using it 99% of the time now. I only have a few notes:
Please replace xine with vlc as I have always had trouble with xine like many others. By the way, what do you write in Opera to open media files and have them play in VLC automatically? Now I download them or copy over the URL.
Please include Geany and/or Bluefish in the next version.
When I push start -> quit nothing happens most of the time. Quit on top of the screen opens the Shut Down window every time.
Artie
Please replace xine with vlc as I have always had trouble with xine like many others. By the way, what do you write in Opera to open media files and have them play in VLC automatically? Now I download them or copy over the URL.
Please include Geany and/or Bluefish in the next version.
When I push start -> quit nothing happens most of the time. Quit on top of the screen opens the Shut Down window every time.
Artie
@Artie, re choosing which prog Opera opens a file with
IIRC...
"Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Downloads"
There you'll see a long list of file types. Select one you want to play in VLC, then click "Edit". Select "Open With Other Application". Then browse to VLC.
re replacing GXine with VLC
again, IIRC...
VLC doesn't play Quicktime. Also it includes software illegal in the US (EDIT: which might cause problems for some hosts of NOP). Much as GXine annoys me, I don't VLC can be the replacement.
IIRC...
"Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Downloads"
There you'll see a long list of file types. Select one you want to play in VLC, then click "Edit". Select "Open With Other Application". Then browse to VLC.
re replacing GXine with VLC
again, IIRC...
VLC doesn't play Quicktime. Also it includes software illegal in the US (EDIT: which might cause problems for some hosts of NOP). Much as GXine annoys me, I don't VLC can be the replacement.
the good news: with rev1 the install of dotpup is straight and works now perfect 
!!
The bad news: the Gxine media player now stops to work at all
The xine engine failed to start.
No input plugin was found.
Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL.
or from the gxine setup wizard:
Health Check Results
video_out_xv: No adaptors found.
You can improve performance by installing an X11
driver that supports the Xv protocol extension.
How can I fix this ??
Anyway, media player seems to be a problem with Linux ?!
With Puppy 2.17 there was no such problem at all !!
!!The bad news: the Gxine media player now stops to work at all
The xine engine failed to start.
No input plugin was found.
Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL.
or from the gxine setup wizard:
Health Check Results
video_out_xv: No adaptors found.
You can improve performance by installing an X11
driver that supports the Xv protocol extension.
How can I fix this ??
Anyway, media player seems to be a problem with Linux ?!
With Puppy 2.17 there was no such problem at all !!
Additionally I tried VLC player (with Puppy software installer):
it works without problem, also in full-screen mode,
BUT: now I have a vertical grid of red lines in the picture!!
Is it possible to fix this??
It is unbelievable how difficult it is under Linux to have a media
player, which is usable and working!
With Ubuntu 7.10 the same difficulties, but at least VLC player can be used.
I ask myself, what has changed?? Many suffer from the same problem,
but nobody really try to find the root cause.
it works without problem, also in full-screen mode,
BUT: now I have a vertical grid of red lines in the picture!!
Is it possible to fix this??
It is unbelievable how difficult it is under Linux to have a media
player, which is usable and working!
With Ubuntu 7.10 the same difficulties, but at least VLC player can be used.
I ask myself, what has changed?? Many suffer from the same problem,
but nobody really try to find the root cause.
xfce and nop 3.01
Gray, I've been using NOP 3.01 for a few days now, and of course I can't say anything better than what's been said by several others here so I won't try.
I used your previous version for a long time until Puppy 3 progressed ahead. But now I've moved back to your new NOP again. So easy to make the puppy one wants without the puzzles and perils of unleashed remastering. And with the advances in petget, PSI, and Gslapt it's much easier and safer.
Not only that, but you made things presentable, clear, and - most importantly, took the time to fix a few things! This is one to build on, and I trust you will continue to maintain it.
XFCE is a bit of a mouthful to swallow and digest after having Rox burned into one's brain, but, with Thunar, it's very usable. (No way would I submit to KDE.)
(OK, of course I do have a question - how does one define hot keys to launch applications? That was sooo easy with ROX. I'm sure it is here too, but I missed it.)
I used your previous version for a long time until Puppy 3 progressed ahead. But now I've moved back to your new NOP again. So easy to make the puppy one wants without the puzzles and perils of unleashed remastering. And with the advances in petget, PSI, and Gslapt it's much easier and safer.
Not only that, but you made things presentable, clear, and - most importantly, took the time to fix a few things! This is one to build on, and I trust you will continue to maintain it.
XFCE is a bit of a mouthful to swallow and digest after having Rox burned into one's brain, but, with Thunar, it's very usable. (No way would I submit to KDE.)
(OK, of course I do have a question - how does one define hot keys to launch applications? That was sooo easy with ROX. I'm sure it is here too, but I missed it.)
Thanks, Trapster, I was looking at it cross-eyed I suppose. In the meantime I have spent a day or so working with XFCS, and it is superb. Seems it can do practically anything while keeping the appearance and usability very simple.
I have adopted NOP 3.01 as my working puppy. Dumped my config file that had been upgraded through numerous versions and rebuilt from scratch, resulting in a much smaller slicker puppy. 3.01 final was pretty good, but NOP is so much better, at least for my use. (Watching puppy 4 from the sidelines - spectator sport for me.)
I have adopted NOP 3.01 as my working puppy. Dumped my config file that had been upgraded through numerous versions and rebuilt from scratch, resulting in a much smaller slicker puppy. 3.01 final was pretty good, but NOP is so much better, at least for my use. (Watching puppy 4 from the sidelines - spectator sport for me.)
Location of Opera files in Nop 3.01, etc.
Setecio wrote:
"I downloaded NOP3.01r1, but noticed when it was loading it said, in the first red boot up text with boot options, Puppy 3.00 ...... should it be 3.01, or is this just a typing error as opposed to a version error."
That is normal.
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Now to my question - I use a live cd with nop 3.01 and a .2fs config file on the hard drive. Actually I use several config files from which I choose one at boot. This is done for reasons of different situations, backups, history of changes, etc. Perfectly normal. I keep each config file in its own named folder to avoid problems from renaming it. And I put an icon on the desktop that reminds me which config I am using ;-)
Each of these configs has access to the same common data also on the hard drive, i.e photos, docs, . . .and email! The email storage is just another kind of shared data, at least for me. I do not want stored email to be different for different configurations or to take up space in the config file.. This is not a problem with Seamonkey. I simply place the Local Folders outside the config file. Can something similar be done with Opera?
Let me try to answer - suppose I am going from config 1 to 2. First I copy from config 1 /root/.opera (the mail, profiles, mookmarks, etc) to a common folder on the hard drive called, say mnt/home/.opera
Then I open puppy with config 2, to which I copy .opera from this folder over that in config 2.
But be careful; keep independent backups of email archives if they are as huge and important to you as they are to me. I am testing this, but will continue to use my legacy Eudora for business until puppy has an email client with matching mailboxes, attachments, and GPG!
I am very pleased with Nop 3.01 and XFCE.
"I downloaded NOP3.01r1, but noticed when it was loading it said, in the first red boot up text with boot options, Puppy 3.00 ...... should it be 3.01, or is this just a typing error as opposed to a version error."
That is normal.
--------------------------------
Now to my question - I use a live cd with nop 3.01 and a .2fs config file on the hard drive. Actually I use several config files from which I choose one at boot. This is done for reasons of different situations, backups, history of changes, etc. Perfectly normal. I keep each config file in its own named folder to avoid problems from renaming it. And I put an icon on the desktop that reminds me which config I am using ;-)
Each of these configs has access to the same common data also on the hard drive, i.e photos, docs, . . .and email! The email storage is just another kind of shared data, at least for me. I do not want stored email to be different for different configurations or to take up space in the config file.. This is not a problem with Seamonkey. I simply place the Local Folders outside the config file. Can something similar be done with Opera?
Let me try to answer - suppose I am going from config 1 to 2. First I copy from config 1 /root/.opera (the mail, profiles, mookmarks, etc) to a common folder on the hard drive called, say mnt/home/.opera
Then I open puppy with config 2, to which I copy .opera from this folder over that in config 2.
But be careful; keep independent backups of email archives if they are as huge and important to you as they are to me. I am testing this, but will continue to use my legacy Eudora for business until puppy has an email client with matching mailboxes, attachments, and GPG!
I am very pleased with Nop 3.01 and XFCE.
Last edited by Henry on Sat 15 Dec 2007, 00:09, edited 2 times in total.
Should NOP 3.01r1 be able to install abiword from the PETget package manager ? It installed easily in standard Puppy 3.01.
I have installed abiword-2.4.5:premier wordprocessor (and dependant fribidi), rebooted several times, but nothing happens when I try to open Abiword, either from the start-office-abiword wordprocessor, or from the usr-bin-abiword.
Am I missing a dependancy (when I try installing it via PSI07 it lists libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 and libwmf-0.2.so.7 as missing) or does NOP require it done via the goffice.sfs ? If so where is the goffice_301.sfs, the wiki only links to a 2.17 version.
I love Nop, but just want to add abiword to it or goffice.
I have installed abiword-2.4.5:premier wordprocessor (and dependant fribidi), rebooted several times, but nothing happens when I try to open Abiword, either from the start-office-abiword wordprocessor, or from the usr-bin-abiword.
Am I missing a dependancy (when I try installing it via PSI07 it lists libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 and libwmf-0.2.so.7 as missing) or does NOP require it done via the goffice.sfs ? If so where is the goffice_301.sfs, the wiki only links to a 2.17 version.
I love Nop, but just want to add abiword to it or goffice.
Last edited by setecio on Fri 07 Dec 2007, 21:21, edited 2 times in total.
Abiword
You can install abiword using petget but it seems to ignore some dependencies. It should pick up that it needs fribidi and install that automatically, but you will have to use petget to individually install libgnomecanvas, libgnomeprint, libgnomeprintgui and goffice.
Then you need to edit the abiword.desktop file in /usr/share/applications to change the icon line to Icon=word48
Or you can just use the goffice sfs file from http://download.tuxfamily.org/nop/
Then you need to edit the abiword.desktop file in /usr/share/applications to change the icon line to Icon=word48
Or you can just use the goffice sfs file from http://download.tuxfamily.org/nop/