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NOP (Nearly Office Pup) 3.01 final available for download
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Lobster
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Nov 2007, 03:45    Post subject:  

NOP has been translated into Chinese
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=152869#152869

Is an excellent basis for setting Up Compiz-Fusion
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=150767#150767

Cool

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gray


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Nov 2007, 06:03    Post subject: NOP  

William7 : sorry, I know nothing of Opera fonts Sad . They are fine on my machines though.

Edoc: Again, I know nothing of Oo Internet suite ??? Question

I am a relative Linux noob myself, still learning every day, but to answer some of your questions;- NOP is only a relatively simple repackaging. I used 3.01 as a base as 4.0 wasnt even a twinkle in BK's eye at the time Wink . A USB stick should be easily usable as a HDD substitute. I have used USB 1.1 on my sons computer OK, but USB 2.0 is much faster. I used a 512K stick for a long time, but 1 or 2Gb stick is probably better for storing your own data (not in the pupsave file). As for RAM, it does run in 128Mb but I recommend 256Mb - especially for Open Office.

Macadavy: For an MX440 you need to use the nvidia 9643 drivers.

see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22272

Rhino : glad you like NOP - it seems to be getting quite popular Very Happy .
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Nov 2007, 18:06    Post subject: nVidia woes  

Gray: Thanks for your help with nVidia. I downloaded NVIDIA-964301-k2.6.21.7.pet & installed it in Lighthouse Puppy using the .pet installer. It gave a dependency error message that libnvidia-tls.so.1 was missing in /usr/lib/libGL.so.96.43.01 & /usr/X11R/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/
This fouled up Xorg completely, though I was able to reboot into LHPuppy using Xvesa and noted that the nVidia configurator was there - but it only displayed the initial options menu - there was no way to actually configure anything. Xorgwizard tests at boot failed.
I am loath to edit Xwin config files manually as I don't really know what I'm doing. I'll use Dougal's first rate hardware test and post the results in that thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1272580988&t=20202
Btw - I'm writing this in Opera in NOP3.01 - I like it much! Very Happy
p.s. I noted quite a number of references to nVidia cards in general and the MX440 in particular while searching for Dougal's post so will go back and check them out for helpful tips...

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Nov 2007, 04:25    Post subject: TLS  

macadavy: your tls dependency problem is very strange. My sons computer has an MX440 card and I have tested the 9643 driver pet in both standard puppy 3.01 and NOP and it worked fine. The driver install should have created a /usr/lib/tls folder with the libnvidia-tls.so.1 file in it.
In my installation an ldd on libGL.so.96.43.01 shows it knows about the tls file. Perhaps the pet did not install correctly for some reason - or is LH pup subtely different in some way ?
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2007, 06:36    Post subject:  

I am enthusiastic about Puppy NOP with Xfce and Opera: now it looks
flawless and absolutely perfect.

But to gray I have two questions: I am just downloading rev 1.
1) Is it possible with rev 1, to install dotpup in the normal way, by just
clicking on it?
Or what was your intention how to do the install of dotpup files?

2) the Gxine media player is not really working: often it will hang up, and
has to be aborted by the taskmanager. Do you see any solution for this?
You know: the player comes with all codecs and browser plugins, fully
working out of the box, which is a great advantage!!
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2007, 09:28    Post subject:  

Quote:
William7 : sorry, I know nothing of Opera fonts . They are fine on my machines though.
Ok, I have check the puppy 2.17 and 3.01 with this same Opera browser version.
In 3.01 I have too big fonts in opera. But I don't know what is difference between fonts from 2.17 and 3.01...
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2007, 11:31    Post subject:  

richard: the dotpup installation bug has been fixed in rev1.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2007, 15:14    Post subject:  

Outside the print trade, it's not unusual to see point size confused with font. However, perhaps John or someone with editorial experience can pick this one up and write a short guide because the difference is important. Mostly, both are adjustable, but not necessarily within the same application or location.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Nov 2007, 17:56    Post subject:  

Thanks for NOP 3.01 I'm using it 99% of the time now. I only have a few notes:

Please replace xine with vlc as I have always had trouble with xine like many others. By the way, what do you write in Opera to open media files and have them play in VLC automatically? Now I download them or copy over the URL.

Please include Geany and/or Bluefish in the next version.

When I push start -> quit nothing happens most of the time. Quit on top of the screen opens the Shut Down window every time.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2007, 17:00    Post subject:  

@Artie, re choosing which prog Opera opens a file with

IIRC...

"Tools>Preferences>Advanced>Downloads"

There you'll see a long list of file types. Select one you want to play in VLC, then click "Edit". Select "Open With Other Application". Then browse to VLC.

re replacing GXine with VLC

again, IIRC...

VLC doesn't play Quicktime. Also it includes software illegal in the US (EDIT: which might cause problems for some hosts of NOP). Much as GXine annoys me, I don't VLC can be the replacement.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2007, 21:42    Post subject:  

the good news: with rev1 the install of dotpup is straight and works now perfect Laughing !!

The bad news: the Gxine media player now stops to work at all Evil or Very Mad

The xine engine failed to start.
No input plugin was found.
Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL.

or from the gxine setup wizard:

Health Check Results
video_out_xv: No adaptors found.
You can improve performance by installing an X11
driver that supports the Xv protocol extension.

How can I fix this ?? Crying or Very sad
Anyway, media player seems to be a problem with Linux ?!
With Puppy 2.17 there was no such problem at all !!
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Nov 2007, 22:59    Post subject:  

Additionally I tried VLC player (with Puppy software installer):
it works without problem, also in full-screen mode,
BUT: now I have a vertical grid of red lines in the picture!!

Is it possible to fix this??

It is unbelievable how difficult it is under Linux to have a media
player, which is usable and working! Evil or Very Mad
With Ubuntu 7.10 the same difficulties, but at least VLC player can be used.

I ask myself, what has changed?? Many suffer from the same problem,
but nobody really try to find the root cause.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Dec 2007, 01:37    Post subject: xfce and nop 3.01  

Gray, I've been using NOP 3.01 for a few days now, and of course I can't say anything better than what's been said by several others here so I won't try.

I used your previous version for a long time until Puppy 3 progressed ahead. But now I've moved back to your new NOP again. So easy to make the puppy one wants without the puzzles and perils of unleashed remastering. And with the advances in petget, PSI, and Gslapt it's much easier and safer.

Not only that, but you made things presentable, clear, and - most importantly, took the time to fix a few things! This is one to build on, and I trust you will continue to maintain it.

XFCE is a bit of a mouthful to swallow and digest after having Rox burned into one's brain, but, with Thunar, it's very usable. (No way would I submit to KDE.)

(OK, of course I do have a question - how does one define hot keys to launch applications? That was sooo easy with ROX. I'm sure it is here too, but I missed it.)
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Dec 2007, 13:34    Post subject:  

Quote:
how does one define hot keys to launch applications?


Try the keyboard option in the xfce settings manager.

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Dec 2007, 00:58    Post subject:  

Thanks, Trapster, I was looking at it cross-eyed I suppose. In the meantime I have spent a day or so working with XFCS, and it is superb. Seems it can do practically anything while keeping the appearance and usability very simple.

I have adopted NOP 3.01 as my working puppy. Dumped my config file that had been upgraded through numerous versions and rebuilt from scratch, resulting in a much smaller slicker puppy. 3.01 final was pretty good, but NOP is so much better, at least for my use. (Watching puppy 4 from the sidelines - spectator sport for me.)
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