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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 01:01 Post subject:
Gnomad2 v2.9.6 + libmtp for MP3 players Subject description: Creative, iRiver, Sandisk, Sony |
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Gnomad2 is a gui for managing music files on the Creative Nomad/MuVo/Jukebox/Zen range of MP3 players, plus the Dell Digital Jukebox. These devices use Creative's custom communication protocol called "PDE" (Portable Digital Entertainment). This protocol is accessible via the libnjb library included in the Gnomad2 package.
Additionally, "MTP" (Media Transfer Protocol)-based devices are also supported, with the included libmtp library. Examples of such devices are by iRiver, SanDisk, Cowon, Nokia, SonyEricsson/Sony Walkman.
MTP is part of the "Windows Media" framework and thus closely related to Windows Media Player.
UPDATE 2014
This application remains useful for the old Creative devices, but modern MTP devices, especially Android smartphones, are now better supported by the go-mtpfs utility, in combination with various GUIs. Refer here -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=91442
Let me be clear: both of these custom communication protocols, PDE and MTP, are not accessible to Linux without dedicated applications such as Gnomad2.
On the other hand, if you have a "conventional" digital audio player which is seen as a standard USB mass storage device, you require no special application at all. Just connect the device to Puppy via USB, mount the device as a normal external drive, and transfer your music files using the ROX file browser.
The iPod is a whole different story. For that you need gtkpod -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59183
http://www.gtkpod.org/wiki/Home
The iRiver range of MP3 players includes some models which are UMS mode (standard USB mass storage), some which are MTP, and recent models which are dual-mode.
Some of the early models can undergo a firmware upgrade which will change their mode -
www.iriver.com > SUPPORT > Download
but apparently the Clix 2GB ang 4GB models are fixed in MTP mode.
UPDATE Jan 01 2014
I have just repackaged gnomad2 with the latest v1.1.6 libmtp libraries, available here -
http://minipc.org/ipup/download/gnomad2-2.9.6-libmtp-1.1.6.pet
This should add support for recent MTP-compatible mobile phones such as Nokia's, and even Android-based Samsung phones.
This dotpet package was compiled under Puppy Lucid 5.2, and should work with more recent Puppies as well.
For the 2.x/3.x/4.x series Puppies, this package probably won't work, so the older Gnomad2-2.9.4 version remains available -
http://minipc.org/ipup/download/gnomad2-2.9.4.pet
This was compiled back in 2007, so don't expect it to work with modern devices.
The Gnomad2 homepage is here - http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/
Last edited by tempestuous on Mon 07 Jul 2014, 06:21; edited 12 times in total
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trapster

Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 2125 Location: Maine, USA
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 07:31 Post subject:
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I have only gotten gnomad to work in 109CE and never could get it to work in my current 216 frugal install.
When I want to use it, I always have to reboot into 109.
When I saw this I gave it a try and got this message:
Code: | sh-3.00# /usr/bin/gnomad2
LIBMTP_Get_First_Device: No Devices Attached
This is a PDE device |
The windows open and the light goes on my Creative Zen Micro for a few seconds, but freezes up from there.
_________________ trapster
Maine, USA
Asus eeepc 1005HA PU1X-BK
Frugal install: Slacko
Currently using full install: DebianDog
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 11:13 Post subject:
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UPDATE:
For Gnomad2 to work in the Puppy 2.x series (and avoid a lockup) it appears that libusb must be upgraded to version 0.1.12, now attached.
Gnomad2-2.9.4 should work OK in Puppy 3.x/4.x without any additional libraries.
Gnomad2-2.9.6 should work fine in Puppy Lucid 5.x
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libusb-0.1.12.pet |
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32.58 KB |
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1800 Time(s) |
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 11:18 Post subject:
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UPDATE:
Puppy 2.x might (?) also require these updated USB/nomad hotplug utilities.
The USB hotplug files are from Vector Linux, originally from http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/
The nomad hotplug configuration files are from the libnjb source code http://libnjb.sourceforge.net/
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gnomad-USB-hotplug.pet |
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8.61 KB |
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1692 Time(s) |
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 11:19 Post subject:
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Puppy 2.x might (?) also require the lsusb utility.
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usbutils-0.72.pet |
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89.76 KB |
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trapster

Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 2125 Location: Maine, USA
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 16:43 Post subject:
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Success!!!
I tried each .pet and restarted gnomad each time. No luck after all 3 .pets.
I decided to reboot to see what happened and lo and behold, I have a list of songs from my player in gnomad2!!!!!
Thanks tempestuous!!!!
Maybe I should have rebooted after each .pet, but I hate rebooting:)
_________________ trapster
Maine, USA
Asus eeepc 1005HA PU1X-BK
Frugal install: Slacko
Currently using full install: DebianDog
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat 22 Sep 2007, 21:12 Post subject:
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That's good, but we don't know which packages were truly required, and which were not.
If someone could establish this in the future, please report.
The fact that trapster needed to reboot suggests to me that the hotplug files may have been the most important.
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Spanky

Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 33
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Posted: Sat 15 Mar 2008, 22:30 Post subject:
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I'm using Puppy 3.01 and only had to install Gnomad2 to get things working. I even have that "Play for Sure" junk loaded into the firmware of my Creative Zen Micro.
Code: | Module Size Used by
snd_pcm_oss 41888 0
usb_storage 83264 0
iptable_mangle 2944 0
iptable_nat 7428 0
ip_nat 17324 1 iptable_nat
xt_state 2432 5
ipt_REJECT 4608 1
ip_conntrack_ftp 7568 0
ip_conntrack_irc 6800 0
iptable_filter 3072 1
ip_conntrack 46348 5 iptable_nat,ip_nat,xt_state,ip_conntrack_ftp,ip_conntrack_irc
ip_tables 12744 3 iptable_mangle,iptable_nat,iptable_filter
snd_mixer_oss 16896 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_midi 8736 0
snd_seq_midi_event 7296 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 48080 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
ndiswrapper 179740 0
usblp 14080 0
ide_cd 39200 0
cdrom 36768 1 ide_cd
squashfs 47620 0
apm 20304 0
snd_ens1371 24352 0
gameport 14856 1 snd_ens1371
snd_rawmidi 23584 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_ens1371
snd_seq_device 8460 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
snd_ac97_codec 101668 1 snd_ens1371
ac97_bus 2304 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm 75656 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_ens1371,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer 22020 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd 52068 9 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq,snd_ens1371,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 7520 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 10120 1 snd_pcm
i2c_viapro 9236 0
i2c_core 22032 1 i2c_viapro
via_agp 10240 1
agpgart 34128 1 via_agp
uhci_hcd 24076 0
usbcore 127128 5 usb_storage,ndiswrapper,usblp,uhci_hcd
nls_iso8859_1 4224 0
nls_cp437 5888 0 |
Restarted X server, couldn't find any menu entry, so I selected /usr/share/applications/gnomad2.desktop and low and behold, there it was.
Then I found the menu entry....(sigh).
Hope this helps.
Spanky
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mikemason

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 36
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Posted: Mon 15 Sep 2008, 14:39 Post subject:
Note: gnomad2-2.9.2.pet works for my Zen |
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Just wanted to add a note that gnomad2-2.9.2.pet works for my Creative Zen 1.01.03 out of the box [thanks ]
If you have a Zen it should work for you too [Dingo 400]
PS... when I bought this zen I was thinking forward [2002]... & I knew I wanted to go linux so I wanted an Open mp3 Player & Creative was it [PC Mag]
This is only my thoghts.... other player s may have been Hacked... but I think Creative may have wanted to be Open for the start.
Thanks again to "gnomad2-2.9.2.pet" for the work, Mike
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brymway
Joined: 08 Dec 2007 Posts: 412
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Posted: Tue 16 Sep 2008, 00:13 Post subject:
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I have a Sansa Fuze. I'm working on getting it to work. I must be an idiot. I can't hardly see what nomad does. I'm a little dense. Anyone get a Sansa working?
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri 10 Apr 2009, 01:35 Post subject:
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April 2009
Gnomad2 updated to latest ver 2.9.4
See first post.
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DaveS

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3726 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri 10 Apr 2009, 01:51 Post subject:
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Works nicely on 4.2, except that it does not put a little icon in the menu. Little known feature of Gnomad is that it allows you to build a playlist directly on your mounted MP3 player. Works well with later Sony Walkman and Samsung players.
_________________ Spup Frugal HD and USB
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri 10 Apr 2009, 08:43 Post subject:
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DaveS wrote: | it does not put a little icon in the menu. |
Yes it does, I just checked now.
The official gnomad2 icon is quite complex, and doesn't look very good at 16x16 in the JWM menu, but you can easily change to another icon by modifying /root/.jwmrc
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firak
Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 174
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Posted: Sat 01 Jan 2011, 06:37 Post subject:
works! thanks |
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works -otut of the box - for a creative zen tuoch - player.
installed on puppy 4.1 on eepc701.
thanks tempestuos!
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tempestuous
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 5472 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon 11 Jul 2011, 08:11 Post subject:
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UPDATED to version 2.9.6, July 11, 2011.
This version was compiled specifically for the Puppy Lucid 5.x series. In particular this involves udev rules which will not be compatible with earlier Puppies.
I have left the older 2.9.4 version attached as well, which was compiled and tested in Puppy 4.x.
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