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Sage

Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Posts: 4767
Location: GB

PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2007, 06:31    Post subject:  

Ooooo! Families, wives, kids - you must be a mere slip of a lad!

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When it gets to the prompt what does more /tmp/wmexitmode.txt give you ?
Don't quite understand what you want me to do? Should I do the 'sleep' & 'kill' edits first?

There seems to an issue between XVESA and XOrg, too. I usually use the former. I really can't understand the kiddies using XOrg and wanting to load 3D drivers with Puppy when they can run SuSE/F7 on a power machine!

Notwithstanding, I am finding Wolvix a very nice piece of work despite a few rough edges. It is very fast and even opens the CD tray! Installer & GRUB needs more work, but at least they are honest enough to warn about it first. I think it may be a Euro distro? - at least, the default k/b seems to be GB. It is a lot bigger than Puppy, though.
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gray


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 313
Location: Adelaide - South Australia

PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2007, 07:22    Post subject: NOP  

Not a 'slip of a lad' - more middle aged.
Yes comment out the sleep & kill lines and try shutdown. At the prompt where I presume it stopped enter the more /tmp... line. I want to see if the wmpoweroff line is writing to that file correctly. I have just had a look at puppy 1.08 and the scripts dont seem that different, but guess what? 1.08 doesnt shut down on my PC !!

I run Xorg wiv 3D drivers. I run from a USB stick and have apps that I use in my work that need 3D acceleration. What I dont understand is this obsession with Beryl etc - that is eye candy of no use.

Yes I have had a look at Wolvix. It is shaping up into a nice distro, but for USB pendrive use nothing can touch Puppy.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2007, 12:57    Post subject:  

I can't do that, of course. When I rem those items and shutdown, I get to 'Power down'. The only thing I can do then is either press the OFF or RESET buttons! If I just edit the file, drop out of the session then re-enter WM and look for that file in /tmp - there is none!
There are two other irritations: the mouse default is set to double click, whereas most Linux distros default to single click.
When I forget to tangle with the k/b settings, I have to cut and paste the # sign as I can never remember where it is on foreign k/b s. NOP doesn't offer k/b selection at booting.
Tell me what else you want me to try.
Incidentally, running 'poweroff' at the console, as suggested by puppynop above, also recycles the desktop. That, definitely, is not supposed to happen!

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klu9

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2007, 13:11    Post subject: Re: NOP  

gray wrote:
Release of 2.17 was a bit rushed and too , err , experimental ? I think for Puppy 2.18 I wont produce a NOP version until the .1 version is out Rolling Eyes

ah, wise words for any distro. I usually find it pays to resist the urge to immediately download & burn the hot new .0 release and wait till a .1 release sneaks out a week or two later.
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I was hoping to add the patches from 2.17 to 2.17.1 and then push out an updated version of NOP, but the 'updates' are too complex.

Just to be clear, does this mean there won't be an upgrade of the existing NOP 2.17? So I might as well go ahead & download the existing ISO to try out the new NOP?
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gray


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Location: Adelaide - South Australia

PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2007, 18:26    Post subject: NOP update  

klu9 : Yes I will put out an update for NOP, but I wont be starting from scratch with 2.17.1. So it will be 2.17 with some of the updates but not to a full .1 standard. I will include opera 2.22 also. Could be a day or too though.

Sage: I think I misunderstood where you were at in the shutdown. If you get to the message saying switch off your computer then I think the rest is an acpi thing.
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mysticmarks


Joined: 26 Feb 2007
Posts: 157
Location: California

PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2007, 00:41    Post subject: nop
Subject description: nop
 

People...GIVE THE MAN SOME CREDIT! Linux is not a easy beast to tame properly with all the possibilites. GRAY, its great that you've dabled and contributed your time and efforts to the community. I myself have not tried nop2.17 as i dont favor xfce. I do want to know why you worked so hard on this and DIDN'T include some engineering tools. Check into BRG cad. and i would love for you to beef it up as I myself do mechanical design. I'd love to shoot back and forth on some ideas. I'm actually developing a whole new linux distro sharing many of the principals your trying for, but a bit more extensive in functionality for all.

Hey folks instead of requests for HIM to do something for YOU. Why don't YOU give it a shot and se if YOU can contribute to HIS efforts and ultimatley puppy.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2007, 01:44    Post subject:  

By a quirk of fate. I may have found the error. Normally, I never use the <Log Out> option with Puppy (why would I when everything is working and I don't want to make major changes). Any road up, I did it! What has happened is that the Log Out (which often just recycles the desktop in compact distros) has become swapped with the Power Off buttons. Probably a trivial thing to fix for coders?
Otherwise, yes I know about the acpi thing, but it's a cop out - it shouldn't be necessary to fiddle with it for bog std. HW. Many of the other distros WILL shutdown a SiS chipset without the need for user interaction. Some folks out there obviously know how it should be done!
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cb88


Joined: 28 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2007, 11:47    Post subject:  

of course beryl is eye candy and of no use to many people as far as that goes kde is worthless slow ect... i get along just fine with jwm. but beryl is fun to use and looks cool and i am only moderately obsessed.

my 3d drivers are working with the 3d apps i have tried except beryl.
don't worry about geting it working if you don't want to somebody will get it working eventually. and nop is a great derivatve anyway thanks.

cb88
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klu9

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2007, 13:31    Post subject: Re: NOP update  

gray wrote:
klu9 : Yes I will put out an update for NOP, but I wont be starting from scratch with 2.17.1. So it will be 2.17 with some of the updates but not to a full .1 standard. I will include opera 2.22 also. Could be a day or too though.

Thanks. Looking forward to it. Very Happy

BTW you (or anyone with the ISO) might try registering at LinuxTracker.org and sharing NOP via BitTorrent in addition to regular uploading; that could help re hosting issues, changing URLs, broken downloads, traffic limits etc. (In fact, I'm downloading official 2.17.1 right now from a torrent listed at LinuxTracker.)

http://linuxtracker.org/faq.php#up2 - Guide to sharing a file at LinuxTracker using Azureus.
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gray


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Location: Adelaide - South Australia

PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2007, 06:46    Post subject: NOP  

Phew, that was a busy weekend. Finally got a bit of time for puppy today (Mon) Very Happy .

Mysticmarks : I appreciate the support. The idea behind NOP is that is just a base system, mainly for installation on a USB pendrive, to which you add the openoffice sfs file to make a useable, no nonsense office pup. I personally then add my own sfs file with my engineering apps. I didn't intend it to be an engineers puppy as such - thats just how I use it.

Sage: The logout causing shutdown is wierd. Logout is handled in Xfce code, the shutdown and reboot call scripts. They are not cross wired - No idea why logout gives you a shutdown - but hey, if it works use it. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2007, 06:55    Post subject: NOP UPDATE
Subject description: updated version of NOP 2.17
 

I have updated NOP 2.17 to bring it more inline with Puppy 2.17.1
ie updated Universal Installer, Net-setup, modprobe, cfdisk etc
Fixed the keyboard wizard bug
Updated the wmpoweroff & wmreboot scripts to comment out kill -9
Changed mksquashfs from LZMA to GZIP compression - this makes the iso bigger (95M) but fixes all the remastering problems (ie slow remaster & bummer boot up)
Also updated Opera to 9.22

Uploading to MU now - should be available for download soon.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2007, 11:22    Post subject:  

Where is it, gray?!

Later: Oh dear, Mark's bandwidth problem is back again!
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MU


Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2007, 16:12    Post subject:  

please try in 3 hours (1 am german time):
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2007-07-to-12/

Today there seems to be no attac, only extended usage, as also Lobsters Isos were just released.
So the server might be down for some hours the next 2-3 days.

Mark
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gray


Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Aug 2007, 16:46    Post subject: NOP download  

Thanks MU

Also I am trying the TuxFamily hosting. So give this a go,

http://download.tuxfamily.org/nop/
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klu9

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Aug 2007, 11:34    Post subject:  

up1 NOP update
thanks, Gray! now downloading from tuxfamily. (not very fast, ~25kbps but if it works, great!) I've updated the wiki page, too.

Screenshots
I wanted to put Imageshack clickable thumbnail versions of the screenshots on the wiki page, but I can't access the image attachments on the first page of this thread (no matter which browser I try, logged in or out). Could someone who has those screen shots, or can access them, please host them on imageshack and post the urls for the "succesful upload" page here? (you know, the imagshack page that shows all possible posting formats for an uploaded image). Thanks.

Straight to USB?
Is there a way I can install NOP (or any Puppy for that matter) straight to USB without burning it first?
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