Puppy 2.17alpha available

[PaulBx1]

I made an encrypted (heavy) copy of my pup_save using my convert-pupsave utility and called it pup_save_crypt217A.2fs. When I tried booting this with 2.16.1, it booted fine (except for some reason my desktop icons were scrambled, not sure why). But when I tried to boot it with 2.17A, I could never get past the password prompt. In other words it always thinks I'm giving it the wrong password, even if it is the same one I gave booting with 2.16.1. So it appears something is broken there.

I checked to make sure no caps lock or anything stupid like that.

[BarryK]

1) On boot Puppy loads the rt73 module for my rt2570 usb wifi stick.

2) The bcm43xx wifi module doesn't work. Did work in 2.16.

kirk,
could you run
# lspci -m -n
Yes, I have given rt73 first-go at loading. Need to find out the exceptions to load rt2570 instead.

I have no idea what to do about the bcm43xx module. Use Ndiswrapper

[kirk]

cb88,

Both of yours card will support 3d. The nvidia card you've got your monitor hooked up to (good choice) will need the nvidia driver :

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_disp ... 14.11.html


Also I think MU may have posted a biniary, search the forum, or use the installer from nvidia. For the driver from nvidia you'll need the devx file and run it without X running.


If you want to use the 945gm, see :

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=14690


Guess you could use both.

SIDE NOTE:

epdfview Looks promising, printing from it is better. But with large PDFs it's real slow. It doesn't seem to cache any thing. So if you go foward a page and wait for the "Loading" to finish then go back to the same page you have to wait again. Also, it has no menu entry.

I agree with cb88 about using gxine for mp3s. With snack you have to kill it to stop the mp3.

[BarryK]

I'm online with 217 alpha live cd entirely in RAM. No HD. No pup_save. I had to use an old wvdial.conf with these lines:

Modem = /dev/ttyS0
Baud = 115200
Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 S11=55 +FCLASS=0

The original had 'Modem = ttyS0' so no modem found. It also had a smaller Baud value. wvdial gave a warning about mine being incompatible but it did connect me. The original just hung after dialing. I think it was because int string 2 was wrong. Sadly, I've overwritten the original file. Really I should test further -- it only failed once.

Another problem I've just noticed is a blast from the past. The copied item seems to be forgotten when the application it was copied from is closed. I needed to keep geany open to make pasting my quote into this forum work.

passwd no longer causes a segmentation fault. I've yet to try printing.

'Modem = ttyS0' -- that's strange, I thought that I had fixed that bug. Maybe with all the messing around, it got unfixed. Anyone else testing PupDial, make sure that line has the '/dev/' in front -- check /etc/wvdial.conf before starting PupDial -- and let me know if it's wrong.

Regarding lost clipboard info, I think it was Glipper that kept it persistent, but I had to get rid of Glipper.

Yes, 2.17exp1 used unionfs2 which caused crashes. I see from the unionfs mail list that some else has reported the same problm with the latest patch, so I'm not bothering, just using aufs.

....hmm, I wonder. Even if you boot with pfix=ram, perhaps Puppy is finding an old pup_217.sfs and zdrv_217.sfs left over on the hard drive and using that. Shouldn't do but I'm not 100% certain about that. So make sure those files are absent.

[BarryK]

Downloaded 217alpha and used standard burn - no multisession.

Upon booting from it using pfix=ram the desktop showed the contents of the dillo file and then the dillo box came up with its contents, two for the price of one.

Pressed connect and it found my modem on serial cable connected ok then booted Seamonkey. Typed www.puppyos.com and pressed return, site not found, pressed again, same thing but the modem went down and redialled itself.
I then installed my standby wvdial153 and gnome-ppp, everything webwise now ok.
WHY isnt this standard?.

Decided to install frugal (co-exist) for a change on hda1 as i`d got a lot of puppy files on hda2 and 13meg space to fill.
Went through the install proceedures putting grub on MBR. Up came Kernel panic not synching no init found.

Booted up with 2.12 disc had a look at grub menu 1st. I`d got 3 lists of puppy on my hd? two for hda1 and one for the files on hda2. edited the files to find only puppy 2.17 on hd0,0.
Rebooted -same thing kernel panic.

Decided to do a full install on hda1. cleaned disk and mbr and formated to ext3
then installed full install. Screen/desktop came up normal - no dillo file but modem connect same problem, cant get through to websites even though modem appears to be running and every second click on url it redials.
Tried cups but no printer setup for hp710c printer so no good for me,
havn`t tried listening to radio streaming media so I suspect that wont be set up either.

Firefox, you have not followed the heavily emphasised instructions for testing this alpha.
There is no Dillo in 2.17alpha, you must be using a previous pup_217.sfs file and/or a preexisting pup_save file. Booting with 'puppy pfix=ram' should fix this. Also get rid of any preexisting pup_217.sfs and zdrv_217.sfs file on the hard drive.

...but perhaps you have followed instructions, by using 'puppy pfix=ram'. In that case, it seems that Puppy is still finding an using the 'pup_217.sfs' that 2.17exp1 left behind on the hard drive. Get rid of that, and zdrv_217.sfs and try again.

[PaulBx1]

FYI I tried the same as the above just using a straight copy in Rox of the pupsave. Same effect, won't accept password in 2.17A, minor problem of scrambled icons in 2.16.1.

I did an md5sum of the downloaded file OK. Is there a way to check the md5sum against a burned CD just to make sure the burn went all right?

[BarryK]

epdfview Looks promising, printing from it is better. But with large PDFs it's real slow. It doesn't seem to cache any thing. So if you go foward a page and wait for the "Loading" to finish then go back to the same page you have to wait again. Also, it has no menu entry.

kirk, would you mind going to the epdfview site and provide this feedback? I have received an email from the author and he has seen what we are doing and has expressed an interest in improving epdfview. For a start, he has stated that he will look into supporting Postscript (we currently open a Postscript file in epdview by piping it through 'ps2pdf'.
I'm sure that he could also figure out a bit of caching.

[BarryK]

I did an md5sum of the downloaded file OK. Is there a way to check the md5sum against a burned CD just to make sure the burn went all right?

The 'burniso2cd' program has a md5sum option to check the burn.

[PaulBx1]

Er, it looks like I didn't follow instructions either. I took the concern about the pupsaves to be that the pupsave might be trashed (therefore it should be backed up), rather than that I shouldn't use an existing pupsave. What's up with that? Why can't we use a pupsave?

I guess I will play with it booted to ram for now.

[BarryK]

Er, it looks like I didn't follow instructions either. I took the concern about the pupsaves to be that the pupsave might be trashed (therefore it should be backed up), rather than that I shouldn't use an existing pupsave. What's up with that? Why can't we use a pupsave?

I guess I will play with it booted to ram for now.

Well, I'm just bein cautious for now. The main problem is the pup_217.sfs and zdrv_217.sfs left over from testing 2.17exp1. You have to make sure they re gone from your hard drive, otherwise they will totally screw things up.

[PaulBx1]

I never tried 217exp1 so don't have those files. BTW my machine is a Thinkpad A21m, a fairly old laptop.

I tried pfix=ram, these are the snags I noticed:

1) the country selection - USA has several lines. Are you trying to pick up the time zones as well as the country, with one selection? Some of the USA zones are not "standard", for example USA-Indiana-east, or whatever that was. The 48 states have eastern, central, mountain and pacific for the time zones IIRC.

2) I selected xvesa as I always do with pfix=ram. It seemed to jump around a lot longer than it used to in earlier revisions, and if you click too soon your selection, it hangs. Mouse cursor still moves but I can't click anything on the screen any more.

3) As someone already noted, you get two welcomes. I'd dump the desktop one, which is missing stuff at the bottom anyway. I like a desktop to be a desktop, with no graffiti scribbled on it.

4) I tried to set up the printer from the setup icon on the desktop; it first printed out something about "usage for xdialog" and then stumbled through the script without having made a selection. Just noticed if I invoke it from the menu button it works better (woops, that is in 2.16.1, I have to reboot and check).

[kirk]

Just to confirm what Paul posted. Encrypted pup_save files won't mount when booting. I made an encrypted pup_save in 217a and rebooted. Wouldn't take my password. Booted another save file. And was able to mount the encrypted pup_save from command line. Also mounted using the losetup and mount commands from /initrd/bin.

Got to sleep and then work

Also, The Clock is an hour off. If the keyboard selection is also setting the time zone, we have daylight savings time. Never had to set the time before though.

[PaulBx1]

5) I wonder if it is possible to integrate the CUPs thing into the old Puppy printer setup. Or at least, in the old printer setup, suggest to the user that CUPs be tried if no satisfaction was gotten with the older printer setup. That way people won't get too confused that there are two ways to set up the printer.

6) I have a Canon pixma ip1700 printer. The website pointed at by the CUPS setup suggests using the ip2200 driver, and points me to the Canon site. It also mentions getting a ppd file. I found no ppd file there, nor a driver. The Canon site had a download package of rpm files. So my first brush with CUPS makes me want to just drop the idea of printing in linux, and go back to "sneakernet", printing on my wife's Windows machine.

[alienjeff]

So my first brush with CUPS makes me want to just drop the idea of printing in linux, and go back to "sneakernet", printing on my wife's Windows machine.

I have yet to get a very vanilla Canon BJC-2010 to print from Puppy, though I'm sure other flavors of Linux would fare just as poorly. Ongoing problems with printers, wifi and stubborn (read as Redmond-loyal) peripheral manufacturers stifles the adoption of Linux as a serious desktop tool by many potential users.

-aj

[jamesbond]

2.17A won't boot in Virtualbox 1.4, stopping at "creating unionfs...".
Boots ok in VMWare and Qemu. I have yet to try it on bare hardware.

EDIT: trying to do frugal install (co-exist) with the universal installer also higlights the same bug that exist in 2.16.1, namely:
1. kernel line points the root to /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/ram0
2. there is an extra "ro" parameter, what's it for?
2. initrd line is missing
see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 165#126165

If this is not corrected, it will cause kernel panic upon rebooting if it's not fixed.

[BarryK]

[quote="jeffrey"]When booting from CD it displays the “Select your country

[BarryK]

1) the country selection - USA has several lines. Are you trying to pick up the time zones as well as the country, with one selection? Some of the USA zones are not "standard", for example USA-Indiana-east, or whatever that was. The 48 states have eastern, central, mountain and pacific for the time zones IIRC.

2) I selected xvesa as I always do with pfix=ram. It seemed to jump around a lot longer than it used to in earlier revisions, and if you click too soon your selection, it hangs. Mouse cursor still moves but I can't click anything on the screen any more.

3) As someone already noted, you get two welcomes. I'd dump the desktop one, which is missing stuff at the bottom anyway. I like a desktop to be a desktop, with no graffiti scribbled on it.

1) yes, I have attempted to combine into one dialog.
2) I never use Xvesa, so it never gets tested.
3) two welcomes.... as dillo is no longer there, that leaves the 'gtkmoz' htmlviewer, so that must be what pops up -- okay, my apologies to the other poster who reported this -- I thought that he must have done something wrong. Okay, I need to test Xvesa.
The welcome on the desktop will go away as soon as you have a pup_save file. Also, it should not have anything 'chopped off' -- the image scales to fit the screen.

[pakt]

4) I tried to set up the printer from the setup icon on the desktop; it first printed out something about "usage for xdialog" and then stumbled through the script without having made a selection.

Yes, I also just get the Xdialog help page when clicking on the Printer Wizard. Exiting the help page, a new window pops up:

You have chosen .
Now to choose the print quality.
<removed text>

Must be a syntax error there somewhere...

[BarryK]

5) I wonder if it is possible to integrate the CUPs thing into the old Puppy printer setup. Or at least, in the old printer setup, suggest to the user that CUPs be tried if no satisfaction was gotten with the older printer setup. That way people won't get too confused that there are two ways to set up the printer.

6) I have a Canon pixma ip1700 printer. The website pointed at by the CUPS setup suggests using the ip2200 driver, and points me to the Canon site. It also mentions getting a ppd file. I found no ppd file there, nor a driver. The Canon site had a download package of rpm files. So my first brush with CUPS makes me want to just drop the idea of printing in linux, and go back to "sneakernet", printing on my wife's Windows machine.

5) Ah, it must be that the Wizard Wizard is still pointing to the old Printer Wizard. I'll fix that. For now, you have to run the CUPS printer wizard from the menu.
6)I was furtunate, someone (a forum member, can't recall who -- but thanks very much!) sent me a PPD file for my Brother HL2040, which is in the current Puppy. I think he stated that he got it from linuxprinting.org. I don't know much about getting these extra PPDs, but you could try that site for your printer.

[pakt]

6)I was furtunate, someone (a forum member, can't recall who -- but thanks very much!) sent me a PPD file for my Brother HL2040, which is in the current Puppy.

It was I - you're welcome

I think he stated that he got it from linuxprinting.org. I don't know much about getting these extra PPDs, but you could try that site for your printer.

That's correct - start looking on linuxprinting.org. Lots of clues there
Paul