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richard.a


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PostPosted: Sun 30 Sep 2007, 19:23    Post subject: Re: superb  

ecomoney wrote:
Richard a great many thanks for setting up that server, it will make life my end considerably easier. I will do a post on my main website with a link to your site, and also update the post at the top of the page to include your mirror if I may. Let me know if you have any problems with your ISP and I can remove these links if you are going over bandwidth.

That's cool; I'm keeping an eye on access logs, but all I usually see is crawlers from search engines. If there's anything you'd like changed on that cover page, please let me know.

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With regards the stock puppy installer, there are reports of it not working, and I also consider it to be extremely confusing for new users. 99% of people I have observed use it in only one of two ways, either using the entire computer of dual booting with windoze. The ecopup discussion seems to be split at the moment, so this information can be found on the cybercafe thread at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=143956#143956.

I've responded on that other thread; there is necessary tidying-up needed; I mentioned elsewhere that I personally have had no problems with it, but that doesn't mean it's okay for a typical street user to use - which is what it needs to become imho.

My background in computing included teaching computer-illiterate draughtsmen how to transfer their skills to CAD, which (of course) had to evaluate how much they needed to learn about computer operating (not geek stuff) and how quickly (like can it be crammed into 5 minutes flat).

My perspective, like yours, is essentially totally at odds with the average developer lol Smile Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Oct 2007, 00:29    Post subject:
Subject description: illustrated tutorial on using the standard puppy installer
 

Okay folks... have a look at this and see if it makes sense?

I've taken the verbose route because I believe that explanations should be offered.

Page is at http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/puppy/installing-puppy/

Comments are solicited please.

Richard in Oz

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Oct 2007, 04:40    Post subject: installer  

Richard I think your tutorial is excellent, you obviously have a lot of expertise in this. Ive never had to do more than either a dual-boot cd-in=linux-cd-out=windows or a full hard drive install to hda1 with all of the computers that have been through the drop in cybercafe so far. I think anyone reading would see at a glance exactly how complicated setting up puppy actually is!
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Oct 2007, 22:56    Post subject: Installer video  

While all this talk of installers was going on, our Lead Developer, (a very talented programmer from Australia) has been working on something that I think is a bit of a first for any linux distro (correct me if Im wrong). This is what will happen when the next ecopup cd is inserted into a running windows machine (95,98,98se,me,2000,NT,xp and Vista). Very Happy

http://ecomoney.eu/ecopup/screenshots/installerpreview.avi

This is still testing, and already weve altered the final screen to give instructions. Any more suggestions would be very helpful.

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 02:55    Post subject:  

Okay mate, it has my vote.

Is it possible to get hold of the installer and suggestions how to use it in conjunction with the ISO I successfully downloaded?

Testing by as many injuns as possible would be great Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 04:07    Post subject:  

The installer relies on two files that will be on the next version of Ecopup due in the next few days.

Here is a link to the video on youtube.

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 06:14    Post subject:  

Gekko

" No, I'm not staying. "

Good idea mate.
With people like me on this forum it's bound to spoil your dinner.
Look after yourself.

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 07:27    Post subject: Re: Installer video  

ecomoney wrote:
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This is what will happen when the next ecopup cd is inserted into a running windows machine (95,98,98se,me,2000,NT,xp and Vista). Very Happy

http://ecomoney.eu/ecopup/screenshots/installerpreview.avi

This is still testing, and already we've altered the final screen to give instructions. Any more suggestions would be very helpful.

Both can also be found mirrored at http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/puppy/Ecopup/installer/

Please let me know if there are any problems in access.

Richard

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 09:04    Post subject: Release Date  

Hi, I havnt set a release date for the next ecopup as yet, although Im working furiously on it. There will be a lot of additions and improvements, including the windows installer, (and hopefully a linux one from the livecd as well, i.e. an install icon on the livecd desktop). As regards the windows installer, it relies on a set format for the files on the cd, so is not compatible with the format that is used currently on ecopup 0.7.1 That being said, it shouldnt be too much work to modify the existing 0.7.1 to include the installer so as to allow it to be tested. I understand Gekko has done some testing but only under virtual machines. I dont have ready access to an windows computer with which to try it.

Gekko has had the idea of using strict bz2 compression for the eco_save.2fs file, and along with space savings that have been made by removing a duplicate JAVA setup in the openoffice squash file (java is in the eco_pup.2fs file) it seems we now have an extra 69mb of space on the cd to add more apps. I want to fill some of this with more games, and also the opera web browser which seems very popular. I may also include a short video or some documentation about ecopups "roots" at the Riddings drop in cybercafe. Ive attached my rough working notes of issues that need resolving and features that I plan to add, and would welcome feedback about them.

Thanks again everyone for your interest in this project.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 10:19    Post subject:  

have you considered LZMA compression using 7-zip and p7-zip(command line linux verion)

has excellent compression in windows

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 18:48    Post subject:  

I did the testing on Windows in a VM initially when it could direly break something, but I've tested it on my actually setup.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2007, 19:23    Post subject: Re: Release Date  

ecomoney wrote:
I don't have ready access to an windows computer with which to try it.

I'm happy to test it on Windows2000 SP4 if you can provide me with the iso.

May I suggest that if you decide to send me a CD by mail, that you burn the iso file on to the CD? Rather than burning the CD as an ISO image?

I know that I would then have to burn a CD of the image myself, but that way, if the ISO works satisfactorily I can immediately put it up for download Smile


Not related to this thread, but I made some observations in your other thread about difficulties on some not-so-recent computers with what I suspect is a conflict between their BIOS and more recent kernels, as I've found puppy 2.12 onwards (and several other distros) won't run on them either live or installed. You may be plain lucky with the particular computers you have installed on. But keep it in the back of your mind if you find recalcitrant machines that refuse to run with a 2.15ce base Smile

And Gekko, thank you for your work there... and I'm glad to see you made it back after all Smile Very Happy

Richard

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2007, 15:23    Post subject:  

Looking forward to Ecopup 3.00 if that's what you are basing the next version on.
Cheers
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2007, 01:57    Post subject:  

Ecopup is now on another Australian Server.

http://os.cqu.edu.au/pub/iso/puppylinux/

Thanks to Neville Richter.
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2007, 19:27    Post subject: Many thanks Chris  

Many thanks for setting up the links cthisbear and everyone. This will help the load on Ecomoney's servers considerably, and provide a more reliable download for people that want/need to use ecopup. I will post a link in the top of the

I think with the next version Ive created myself quite a lot of jobs for myself and it will take a while to complete them all. Expect a lot of changes and additions. Ive delayed the next classes at the centre and put my hours down to just one day a week so I can concentrate on it.

I welcome many of the enhancements in version 3. As you may know I have been invited to help co-ordinate the development of the next community edition of puppy, which will be based on puppy linux 3.2 when that comes out. I plan to use the experience I have gained working at the cybercafe where the ideas in ecopup were formed. Puppy 3 has several big base architecture changes, and I wish to wait until these have "matured" i.e. it has been well tested and driver support widened, before embarking on the community edition project (and afterwards an ecopup based upon it). After this next edition of ecopup is "complete", I only want to issue bugfix releases (no new major features) as I want to give my full attention to learning about puppy 3 in preparation of the next community edition. I envisage ecopup 0.8 series to be based upon puppy linux 3.3ce.

EDIT:

After some thought, I have added an extra item to the aims of ecopup (see the first post).

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