Pupbeatz...what would you like to see?

[jcagle]

I'm working on my Pupbeatz puplet and I've made good progress.
So far, I've got:

Ardour
Hydrogen
Rosegarden
ZynAdSubFX
GMOrgan
Freebirth
Grafburn

and for web browsing, just in case you want to get on the internet, I've got the Seamonkey, though I'm thinking about switching it to Dillo to save some space. It might be a good idea to switch...better yet...eLinks would be great, as this ISO isn't exactly meant for web browsing in the first place. But I'm thinking about doing a repository for stuff like hydrogen drum kits and patches for softsynths and stuff, so internet access would be good.

For those who don't know, the ideal recording studio setup would be one computer that just does recording, one computer that just does CD burning, and one you could access the internet with. So if you are going for that setup, you won't even need a web browser...but not everyone has that many computers.

The ISO is currently about 104 Megabytes. I've yet to add Audacity, but I will be adding it soon.

Some might ask why I have both Ardour and Rosegarden, since you can record with both, so why have both? Well, one is more for MIDI sequencing (but it can be used as a multi-track recorder) and the other is strictly for recording. I know Ardour has plans to bring in MIDI functionality. I don't know yet if they've implimented that with Ardour 2, I need to look, but I don't even have that compiled yet. I may also come out with versions just with Ardour and just with Rosegarden, if I find people don't need both.

This project is not specifically aimed at older computers with less RAM, but at the same time I don't want the ISO to be too much larger. Any suggestions from anyone? Or do you have any better suggestions?

[zigbert]

Rosegarden uses kde-libs, unless choosing a very old version (and it doesn't look good). Muse uses only Qt, and then opera could be the browser. It's half the size of seamonkey, and got both email and chat (not important for recording). GrafPup runs Qt/Opera. qjackctl is a very useful interface for Jack (also uses Qt).

I hope it will be configured for GM/GS midi with softsynths. This will enable midi for endusers like me.

I am really looking forward for this one.

Sigmund

[Nathan F]

I have a couple small suggestions. One would be that instead of Dillo you use hv3, which has nearly perfect css support. It requires tkhtml but even after you add that dep in the size is barely larger than Dillo. Dillo not only has very poor css support, but the project is also currently stalled and I don't think any more work is even being done to it.

Elinks is also very good, but it takes a special kind of user to be satisfied with a text mode browser.

I'd also suggest rounding things out with some good audio filters and plugins like caps or swf.

I also think you might want a good general purpose music player like xmms or audacious. Do that and you might be able to drop gxine and the xine libs, which cuts a huge chunk out of the iso. It depends on how specialized you want to get, because without gxine you would no longer have video. Of the two (xmms and audacious) I've come to prefer audacious myself.

Rarsa's pvolume mixer is also a very good program to include, much nicer than any of our other available choices.

I've also been wanting to check out Jamin for mastering. I've heard some very good things about it, but frankly none of my audio projects have gotten to the mastering stage for a while now so I have no first hand experience with it.

Nathan

[raffy]

hv3 browser: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 2&start=45

[Lobster]

It may be too specialised but I would like to experience some of the text to voice and perhaps even voice recognition software.

http://linux-sound.org/

For version 2 of Pupbeatz (it is probably too late for this one) I would like to see it go the way of EZPup. An add on facility that customises each subsequent Puppy.

That way it will not need as much updating and could be used with a variety of browsers which is a choice not relevant to the core apps of Pupbeatz but dependent on the needs of users.

Anyway Good luck with Pupbeatz

[zigbert]

Ladspa plugins are basic. I installed the swh-plugins from .deb, but they depend on fftw3 which are 1 mb. I've made a .pet of the Tap-plugins.

Also a guitar tuner would be nice.

And as Lobster says. A PupBeatz.sfs - That's heaven.

Oh yeah. I'm excited.

[zigbert]

I guess you already noticed ToddyJoe made pups of qjackctl and a useful Virtual keyboard.
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Multimedia/to ... ackctl.pup
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Multimedia/to ... Vkeybd.pup

Here's a link to Guitune - Guitar tuner:
http://www.geocities.com/harpin_floh/kguitune_page.html

GuestToo has packed Gtick - a metronome.

[jamesbond]

My standard package is:
- Volume mixer
- QJackCtl (and Jack)
- QSynth & Zynaddsubfx
- Rosegarden
- Jamin for mastering
- Timemachine for recording
- Audacity and/or rezound for sound editing
- lame and its libraries for converting to mp3, and ogg libraries to convert to ogg
- some kind of media player (xmms would be good) to test the result
- some kind of cd burner - Grafburn is nice
- some kind of metering (meter bridge for JACK for example)
- synth plugins
- LADSPA plugins
- Vkeybd for testing
- A fully functioning browser is important (dillo doesn't make the cut). Reason? Sometimes there is a feature in the program that I don't know how to use - so to Google I go.
That's of course if you go with the ISO. If you go with SFS model, as many has mentioned, web_215.sfs would do.

- At least one soundfonts so that it is useful out of the box. One of the places to look is here: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/awe32/soundfonts/, I am suggesting you take the 2mbgmgs.sf2 (haven't tried others smaller than that). If you can afford the space, you may want to use the Airfont A320 soundfont as used in Musix 0.99 - that's 8MB in size, but it sounds very good (to me).

Though I don't use it, I see you have put Ardour and Hydrogen - I'm sure many are happy with that.

One more thing: many of the packages above can be compiled with multiple back-end sound drivers. Most of them will at least work with OSS - but if you are feeling generous enough, please compile them to work with ALSA and JACK in addition to OSS. Otherwise - for example - you can't use Audacity when Rosegarden is running (because Rosegarden use JACK and JACK will hog the ALSA driver and therefore make the emulated OSS devices unavailable for Audacity to use) - this is assuming you run on a cheap on-board soundcard like me, so there is only one device available

The above is geared towards recording and mixing. Those who wants to use it for live performance will have totally different software in mind (e.g. Freewheeling? etc).

Thanks for this great effort !

[jcagle]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.

I'll look into Muse. I know about it, but haven't really used it any. I've used Rosegarden a little bit, so that's what I had installed. But I'll give Muse a go.

Also, thanks for the suggestion of hv3. Haven't used it either, but I've heard a little bit about it.

This puplet won't really be for voice recognition-type stuff. It's more for those who want to record music and other audio recording needs. If anyone wants to package some voice recognition software, that's perfectly fine.

[jcagle]

Rosegarden uses kde-libs, unless choosing a very old version (and it doesn't look good). Muse uses only Qt, and then opera could be the browser. It's half the size of seamonkey, and got both email and chat (not important for recording). GrafPup runs Qt/Opera. qjackctl is a very useful interface for Jack (also uses Qt).

I hope it will be configured for GM/GS midi with softsynths. This will enable midi for endusers like me.

I am really looking forward for this one.

Sigmund

Using a MIDI sequencer like Rosegarden or Muse, using Jack, you should have no problems. Also, with a softsynth program like ZynAdSubFX, MIDI is no problem.

[jcagle]

Well, I'm using hv3 now and I like it. I'll put this web browser in Pupbeatz to save space. Goodbye Seamonkey (at least in Pupbeatz, anyway...still going to use it in Grafpup)

[laserbeak]

LMMS
Hydrogen
ZynAddSubFX

[jcagle]

LMMS
Hydrogen
ZynAddSubFX

If you take a look at my first post, you'll see Hydrogen and ZynAddSubFx are already in there.

I haven't tried recently, but a while back I tried compiling LMMS and it had problems. Eventually, I kind of got it to start, but it would lock up on the splash screen. I've not made any attempts since then, but I will probably try it again. However, LMMS will probably be available as a package for Pupbeatz.

Have you gotten LMMS working? Could you help a transfan out here? (haha, I just recently bought the Optimus Prime voice changer helmet)

[antman49443]

Hello! I stumbled onto this forum during a google search. This Pupbeatz sounds just like something the doctor ordered! Anyway, I'm a big user of soundfonts. Am I correct in assuming there are applications already in Pupbeatz that would allow me to sequence songs using sound fonts?

The other cool package I like is Bristol (vintage synths). I don't think it would be necessary, but still very cool to have with this.

[Lobster]

Will it sing?
http://cslu.cse.ogi.edu/tts/

I have heard the computer singing (you can change parameters) and it is both eerie and melodic

[jcagle]

Hello! I stumbled onto this forum during a google search. This Pupbeatz sounds just like something the doctor ordered! Anyway, I'm a big user of soundfonts. Am I correct in assuming there are applications already in Pupbeatz that would allow me to sequence songs using sound fonts?

The other cool package I like is Bristol (vintage synths). I don't think it would be necessary, but still very cool to have with this.

I'm going to work on that. I've not had much experience using Soundfonts in Linux, and the little bit I had, I couldn't get it working like I thought I could. I have had experience using Soundfonts with a SoundBlaster Live 5.1 soundcard in Windows and with another program of which I forgot the name now. So this is an area I still need to learn about, but hey, I'm putting this together partly as a learning experience for me.

I never really had a big need for soundfonts myself since I started recording in Linux, but I can see where many people would need them. So I'll definitely be working on that. Any help in that area where I lack experience would be very appreciated.

[jcagle]

Will it sing?
http://cslu.cse.ogi.edu/tts/

I have heard the computer singing (you can change parameters) and it is both eerie and melodic

Not sure this is something I'd put in the ISO, but if there's enough demand, I may compile it and package it. It might be something cool to sample though. But you can probably get a similaar effect with a vocoder, depending on how this program sounds in the first place.

[jamesbond]

jcagle,

How is it going? :p

If you can qsynth running, then using soundfont is a breeze. Are you planning to go for a real-time kernel? or just the standard puppy kernel? I'd really wish I could help, however my experience really is only as user, not package manager.

cheers!

[jcagle]

jcagle,

How is it going? :p

If you can qsynth running, then using soundfont is a breeze. Are you planning to go for a real-time kernel? or just the standard puppy kernel? I'd really wish I could help, however my experience really is only as user, not package manager.

cheers!

For the moment, I'm using the puppy kernel, but will probably eventually do a real-time kernel.

I'll get qsynth running and try it out.

I haven't gotten much work done lately on it. I haven't been feeling to well part of the time, and the other part of the time I've been focusing on finding a job in Redding, CA (I'm wanting to go to a ministry school out there) and working.

[ecomoney]

I help a local musician/singer out with her computer and I know she will be looking forward to this project! One thing she will need is pyKaraoke for playing cd+g's and mp3+g's. Its a python app.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 52&t=18191