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tytower · Last edited by tytower on Thu 10 May 2007, 05:39; edited 1 time in total

I have the common type of motherboard which has built in sound
Puppy 2.14 does not recognise the sound card

Puppy 2.15 does not find it and no sound

Any ideas?

Also the desktop icons in 215 have lost their colour?
of 22 links only 9 are coloured
2.14 had them all coloured? Fixed-upgrade keeps some of the old shortcuts

Modprobe -l gives the following modules loaded:-
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231-lib.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236-lib.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4231.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/es1688/snd-es1688.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/es1688/snd-es1688-lib.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sbawe.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16-dsp.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16-csp.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb-common.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb8.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb8-dsp.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/drivers/opl3/snd-opl3-lib.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401-uart.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/soundcore.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/snd-hwdep.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/snd-rawmidi.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-mixer-oss.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-device.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-midi-event.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/core/snd-pcm.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-bus.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.18.1/kernel/sound/pci/snd-es1938.ko

Mine I think are the ac97 ones normally I think

tytower

The board is a PCChips Hsuen...whatever M810 LR-H board and the sound chip I think is SiS.

Dont find any numbers when I look but
The Manual says

AC'97 Codec
Intel AC'97 v2.2 spec compatible
Supports 16 biy ADC and DAC as well as stereo full-duplex codec
Supports 4 channel DAC for 4 channel speaker out.

I notice in Suse 10.2 the driver seems to be snd-trident which isn't loaded as above?

Can anyone help?

tytower · Posted: Thu 10 May 2007, 05:44 Post subject: Solution

Well blow me down

I thought wonder what would happen if I just try loading the "snd-trident" module which is what Suse 10.2 was using .
did "modprobe snd-trident"
and suddenly the module loaded and then the Alsa configuration gave an entirely different screen finding my board and allowing me to configure it.

Plays mp3 s as well
Bloody marvellous !!

tytower · Posted: Thu 10 May 2007, 06:18 Post subject:

Above on 2.14

works on 2.15 also but bottom 2 lines on alsa screen aren't there

Dougal · Posted: Thu 10 May 2007, 15:34 Post subject:

Could you please post here the output of a few commands, so that we can find out why it didn't load that module?

Here you go:

tytower · Posted: Thu 10 May 2007, 20:59 Post subject:

sh-3.00# lspci -i /usr/share/pci-usb-pcmcia.ids
00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0730 (rev 02)
00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 5513 (rev d0)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0018
00:01.1 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0900 (rev 82)
00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07)
00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07)
00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 7018 (rev 02)
00:01.6 Modem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 7013 (rev a0)
00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0001
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 8139 (rev 10)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 6300 (rev 31)

sh-3.00# lspci -n
00:00.0 Class 0600: 1039:0730 (rev 02)
00:00.1 Class 0101: 1039:5513 (rev d0)
00:01.0 Class 0601: 1039:0018
00:01.1 Class 0200: 1039:0900 (rev 82)
00:01.2 Class 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 07)
00:01.3 Class 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 07)
00:01.4 Class 0401: 1039:7018 (rev 02)
00:01.6 Class 0703: 1039:7013 (rev a0)
00:02.0 Class 0604: 1039:0001
00:09.0 Class 0200: 10ec:8139 (rev 10)
01:00.0 Class 0300: 1039:6300 (rev 31)
sh-3.00#

sh-3.00# tail /etc/modprobe.conf
remove hid { /sbin/modprobe -r keybdev; /sbin/modprobe -r mousedev; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --first-time --ignore-remove hid
remove ov518_decomp /sbin/modprobe -r --first-time --ignore-remove ov518_decomp && { /sbin/modprobe -r ov511; /bin/true; }
remove usbmouse { /sbin/modprobe -r hid; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --first-time --ignore-remove usbmouse
remove wacom { /sbin/modprobe -r evdev; } ; /sbin/modprobe -r --first-time --ignore-remove wacom
# --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. ---
# --- ALSACONF version 1.0.12rc1 ---
alias snd-card-0 snd-trident
alias sound-slot-0 snd-trident
# --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. ---

sh-3.00# ls /sys/bus/pnp/devices/*.*.00/id
ls: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/*.*.00/id: No such file or directory
sh-3.00# ls /sys/bus/pnp/devices/*.*.00/id
but there are directories 00:00 to 0e and 00:01 to 00:0d if this helps

sh-3.00# ls /sys/bus/pnp/devices
00:00 00:02 00:04 00:06 00:08 00:0a 00:0c 00:0e
00:01 00:03 00:05 00:07 00:09 00:0b 00:0d
sh-3.00#

sh-3.00# cat /proc/isapnp
cat: /proc/isapnp: No such file or directory
sh-3.00#
There are 96 processes listed at this time but no isapnp because this is not a pnp board is it?

sh-3.00# lsmod
Module Size Used by
snd_trident_synth 12784 1
snd_seq_instr 8144 1 snd_trident_synth
snd_seq_midi_emul 7344 1 snd_trident_synth
snd_seq 48592 4 snd_trident_synth,snd_seq_instr,snd_seq_midi_emu l
snd_ainstr_simple 2768 1 snd_trident_synth
snd_mixer_oss 17328 0
snd_trident 41796 1 snd_trident_synth
gameport 14904 2 snd_trident
snd_ac97_codec 90448 1 snd_trident
snd_ac97_bus 2128 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm 77592 2 snd_trident,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer 23540 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 10008 3 snd_trident_synth,snd_trident,snd_pcm
snd_util_mem 4560 1 snd_trident
snd_mpu401_uart 8112 1 snd_trident
snd_rawmidi 24064 1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device 7996 4 snd_trident_synth,snd_seq,snd_trident,snd_rawmid i
snd 51396 9 snd_seq,snd_mixer_oss,snd_trident,snd_ac97_codec ,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
soundcore 9408 1 snd
usblp 13680 0
apm 20100 0
8139too 25616 0
pctel 17644 0
pctel_hw 1111332 1 pctel
linmodem 12288 1 pctel
slamr 434056 0
sis900 22288 0
mii 5680 2 8139too,sis900
i2c_sis630 7900 0
i2c_core 21408 1 i2c_sis630
usb_storage 83904 1
fuse 44388 0
unionfs 77792 1

nls_iso8859_1 3984 1
nls_cp437 5648 1
sr_mod 17412 0
ide_cd 40100 0
cdrom 39424 2 sr_mod,ide_cd
ohci_hcd 20564 0
usbcore 126116 4 usblp,usb_storage,ohci_hcd
sh-3.00#

Dougal · Posted: Fri 11 May 2007, 06:24 Post subject:

Thanks, I'll look into it.

Dougal · Posted: Fri 11 May 2007, 14:20 Post subject:

Got it!

Here you go, in case you're interested:

The alsaconf script creates a "card database" from /lib/modules/modules.pcimap.2.6.18.1.
This database lists all the sound modules (snd-) and the pci numbers of devices using each.

If you look at the list, you'll see that the third is "snd-trident", which has
"PCI: 0x1039=0x7018" listed -- which also appears in your "lspci -n" output (1039:7018)!

Now, rc.modules goes over the list from "lspci -n" and then looks for a pattern like "0x00001039 0x00007018" in /lib/modules/modules.pcimap.2.6.18.1, to know which module to load.

BUT, it only takes the first it gets! Look:

tempestuous · Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 4944 Location: Australia

tempestuous · Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 4944 Location: Australia

Dougal has asked for the alsaconf from alsa-utils-1.0.12rc1 for testing purposes.
This should NOT be used in Puppy.

EDIT: attachment removed.
I can't imagine why this was downloaded 15 times.

akilan · Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 16 Location: Dallas, Texas

thanks dougal - you saved me from pulling my hair out! finally i have sound!

ecomoney · Posted: Mon 15 Oct 2007, 02:23 Post subject: ac97 Sound

Hi there thanks for this tip. I was wondering how the testing went for this issue and if it had been resolved in the 3.xx. I set up a computer with onboard ac97 sound today with ecopup (2.15ce based). it wasnt automatically detected. AC97 chipsets are very common.

Success, this worked for me!!!

On a technical not, I believe the init.script in initrd.gz blacklists this driver by default? Why is that?

davidlandy · Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 15

It's not resolved in 3.01 but the rc.modules fix worked great (after many hours searching and much hair-pulling too, akilan).

Finally, sound out of my AC97 7018 on-board chip!

Very Happy

Thanks Dougal, you're a star.

pcdoctor · Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 12

How do I cut and paste my info from rxvt so I can post it to this thread?

Here is some previous info that I posted about my sound problem.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32103

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32398

As soon as I get info on how to cut and paste from rxvt, I can post more detailed info.

Béèm · Posted: Thu 14 Aug 2008, 06:26 Post subject:

pcdoctor,
I asked the same question a couple of days ago.
The easiest is highlight the text to be copied in rxvt and paste it with the middle mouse button in the target place.