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Rox Filer 2.2.0
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug 2005, 04:09    Post subject:  

you probably still have rox opening the pinboard with the -o option ... if you read readme.txt, it tells you to edit .xinitrc
if you right click the ROX-Filer icon, you can choose to edit .xinitrc

version 0.0.2 of my installer automatically edits .xinitrc for you
it also fixes a problem in registering with pupget

part of the extra size comes from the shared-mime-info package

there are over 1 meg of language files

and about 300k of icons
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Lobster
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug 2005, 06:06    Post subject:  

GuestToo wrote:
you probably still have rox opening the pinboard with the -o option ... if you read readme.txt, it tells you to edit .xinitrc
if you right click the ROX-Filer icon, you can choose to edit .xinitrc


Embarassed you mean I did not read the readme file - again - tsk tsk - I really am a terrible tester . . .

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version 0.0.2 of my installer automatically edits .xinitrc for you
it also fixes a problem in registering with pupget


Hoorah! Just ran Puipget and got the enclosed error - will now reboot - install your newer Rox filer and run pupget again . . .

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part of the extra size comes from the shared-mime-info package

there are over 1 meg of language files


ahhhh . . .
well to be honest this makes New Rox (for some people) a priceless and most useful addition . . . "Now I get's it" (to quote Popeye)

I feel these dotpups are one of the most fun aspects of Puppy. The Radio, the BBC ticker . . . and the massive but so usable Inkscape

PS.
New Puppy Alpha2 1.0.5 arriving on Tuesday - I am already excited . . . must stay calm . . . must stay calm . . .
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Lobster
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug 2005, 07:39    Post subject:  

OK I survived [groans from all the fish]

The -o (when I booted seems to have been automated - so went straight into the desktop again . . . (did read something in the readme files about this . . .)

Running Pupget - I see that ROX 2.20 is now a Pupget . . .
see enclosed mtsnapshot [reminder: use mtsnapshot, draw box around selected area, press delete, resize canvas and sharpen if required - I did]

This must be a new breed.
Well I knew they were set to merge . . . (our two package installers - pupget and dotpup)

Does this mean that if I uninstall Rox 2.20 I am left with the standard Rox?

I would try it but I have some frisking to do . . .

PS. A package manager? Wassat? Somebody who works in a mail room? "Program installer" - does that make more sense to Grandma Maude (generic user)?
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug 2005, 08:20    Post subject:  

Ah, yes, that's a problem. PupGet only has a little brain ...sees an alien package with same name as one on the live-cd, so decides it is best to uninstall the alien package!

If I recall rightly, PupGet compares package names to the left of the "-", so PupGet would think it is a clash if the live-cd has say beaver-1.0 and there is an alien package beaver-2.0.
I think the way around this, ...well, one way anyway, would be to name the alien package beaver2-2.0.
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dvw86


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Location: Washington State

PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug 2005, 11:25    Post subject:  

Couple of things I noticed were that it is much longer to restart the pinboard. This makes it very noticable when using the trash can. Also if click on a .tcl app it opens it in Beaver instead of launching the app. At least that is what happens with MUT. If I use a wrapper script it works fine.
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug 2005, 20:13    Post subject:  

the newer rox uses a different system for mime properties ... shared-mime-info (a gnome thing) is in /root/.local/share/mime and is about 1.5 megs ... it controls what mime types there are, and the mime types are sightly different ... what a mime type does is still contolled by a file in /root/Choices/MIME-types

i did setup some of the mime types, but some have probably been changed ... and i won't know which ones need setting except by trying each one

actually, i had to decide a few things, like whether i would include any config files in my package ... if you leave them out, the package works ok, but many of the rox options need to be setup to work properly, and it doesn't look good when it first starts, with no wallpaper etc etc ... i tried setting it up nicely, and replacing your Choices with my Choices, but it made the package bigger than 1 meg

i compromised by including some config files in Choices, and putting a copy-my-old-pinboard-file in the menu

as far as the mime settings, that is often a personal choice ... the package should probably be setup to have the same mime settings as a standard Puppy ... it will take a while to find all the mime settings that need setting

Puppy's rox is the latest version that does not use shared-mime-info ... the newer rox has some nice features, like recently changed files are shown with bold text, and the permissions window is convenient ... and the newer rox is prettier ... the older rox seems to be adequate for most purposes
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Alienx


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug 2005, 06:18    Post subject:  

GuestToo wrote:
there are over 1 meg of language files


524 K of compressed language files ! ! !

how about put them in a separate optional pup ?

Ps. also Manual-fr.html , Manual-it.html and README-es are together 81k in tar.gz

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flamesage


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:01    Post subject:  

Yeah, I keep on getting stuck with this stupid seagull as my background, and also it wiped my desktop clean. =(
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:29    Post subject:  

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Yeah, I keep on getting stuck with this stupid seagull as my background, and also it wiped my desktop clean


i chose to do it that way

i could have left your desktop alone, but it would not look nice ... the new rox also can set the background, when the background is configured, it saves it in your pinboard file ... if i had left it, it would have been a solid brown colour, and not as pretty

also, the fonts are different, because the new rox can use antialiased fonts, and the icons display a little differently ... so your desktop might look strange

i did put an item in the menu to copy your pinboard from the backup ... just right click the ROX-Filer icon in my-roxapps ... you will have no wallpaper after you do that

setting the wallpaper with the new rox is easy ... just right click any icon on your desktop and click Backdrop

you can have problems when you have 2 or 3 different programs each setting the background ... mostly, you might be confused about which program is setting the wallpaper that you are seeing

i was going to change the dotpup a little, probably put the language file in a separate dotpup (as suggested by AlienX), also add a wish Run Action for non-executable tcl files ... and maybe set some of the other run actions
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:35    Post subject:  

Would there be any way in the next verson you could include some sort of script, that would download the new update, and automaticly reboot and run the update for you?

Since my CD Burner seems not to place nice with puppy, I have to find an outside computer, burn a disk, and bring it back home...

[NVM Just found the backdrop]

[EDIT: is there anyway to change the font color on your desktop? My background clashes with the black letters.]
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:57    Post subject:  

you can set the fonts in rox options in the pinboard section
it's a little different from the older version of rox

if you have Puppy installed on your hard drive (option 1)
it's easy to download the latest iso and update your Puppy

basically, something like,

wget url-4-puppy.iso
wget url-4-puppy.iso.txt
md5sum -c puppy.iso.txt
mount -o loop puppy.iso /mnt/data
cp /mnt/data/vmlinuz /mnt/home/
cp /mnt/data/image.gz /mnt/home/
cp /mnt/data/usr_cram.fs /mnt/home/

then reboot
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 03:59    Post subject:  

wow.... would have helped to know that.
If I want to update to the new version (I still havn't) would it erase my new rox update?
Or anything else?
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:11    Post subject:  

GuestToo wrote:
you can set the fonts in rox options in the pinboard section
it's a little different from the older version of rox


GuestToo,
How do you set fonts in the old Rox?
I looked around awhile back, couldn't see how to do it
(but then I never looked in the manual either).
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 04:27    Post subject:  

i'm not sure you can change what font rox uses
(you can specify the fonts the newer rox uses)

you can change the fonts colours, and whether there is a background slab ... that's what i was referring to

i guess it uses the default gtk-1 text font ... maybe changing the gtk-1 theme would change the font it uses ... maybe the fonts could be set in an app-defaults file
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2005, 12:49    Post subject:  

I like the new Rox. The font, the icons, the new dialogue box, the iconified windows... I just love it. Thanks!

And how can I set keyboard shortcuts? Options -> Menus -> Set Keyboard Shortcuts doesn't allow me to do so. Or should I edit /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/menus ?

Btw, when you upload the new rox dotpup, maybe you can upload two versions: 1. with everything; 2. the small one without the language files. This way everybody only needs to download one file. Very Happy
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