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Mono on Puppy?
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John Doe

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:35    Post subject:  
sunburnt wrote:
Thanks "John"; I down loaded the latest Mono 1.2, I guess it's an exe archive.
If your able to help me integrate it into Puppy it'll be a valuable asset indeed.


This sort of works. It doesn't seem to add the paths to right place. I can't remember exactly where to do it off the top of my head.

Code:
#!/bin/sh
wget ftp://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.2.3.1/linux-installer/1/mono-1.2.3.1_1-installer.bin
chmod +x mono-1.2.3.1_1-installer.bin
./mono-1.2.3.1_1-installer.bin
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muggins

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2007, 02:23    Post subject:  
i'm stuck here until lob can get his cognitive-dissonance-trans-dimensional machine functioning...but i still think small is beautiful!
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rarsa


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2007, 07:30    Post subject:  
muggins wrote:
why do people keep wanting to include bloatware that's bigger than the distro itself?
Hi muggings,

While I want my puppy to be small and for "big" things I use Fedora, some time ago I wrote my definition of "a distribution

http://rarsa.blogspot.com/2006/04/whats-distribution-first-question-most.html

There I have this paragraph:
rarsa wrote:
That does not mean that you can only use the applications provided. Think of a distribution as your starting point. The better you choose your distribution according to your needs, the closer you will be to have a computer configured specifically for you.
So different peopole have different needs. And those needs can be in different dimensions.

So, some people may like puppy as the starting point because the route to the end is longer so they will "know" how they built their system.

Others may install a big application in Puppy because everything else in unbloated so the big application runs better for them.

Others could even use puppy because it was the only distro they tried that detected their hardware but they still want/need a bloated system.

Reasons are many including the people not knowing that they should really consider other distros.
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muggins

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Feb 2007, 08:10    Post subject:  
yes rarsa,

i suppose some puppies are chihuahua's & some are st. bernards! i'm due to start doing java next week, & am dreading it as i find java over-sized, slow and that it gobbles up ram like the cookie monster.

i'll have to follow your example & try & get to grips with tcl & your gnocl pup.

cheers
muggins
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kattami

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Feb 2008, 21:14    Post subject:  
muggins wrote:
i'm stuck here until lob can get his cognitive-dissonance-trans-dimensional machine functioning...but i still think small is beautiful!


Muggins, I agree with you.

Small IS beautiful, and will always be beautiful!

I love small and fast programs and gadgets. So of course I adore things like what the guy at the grc.com site has done with the assembly language programming. Hes a genius. And so is Barry and many other people here with what they have done with Puppylinux.

But the issue is that I am supposed to be practicing forex trading. And another issue is that my forex trader site has moved over to asp.NET with their new website, so every trader can just log on there no matter where they are.

So then I cant practice/trade forex in other ways than with Microsoft. And I just dont want to use Windows, and especially not Vista! I havent even updated that annoying Vista since I got the laptop, which had Vista pre-installed.

So as you maybe understand, my biggest wish right now is to have puppylinux running in ram and a Mono.sfs package that works on that forex trader site.

Anyway, at least I finally found something about Mono today in this forum.

I tried to see if I got IE running in Wine but no luck. Laughing

So next step will be to see if I found any way to get something like Mono to work.

Beside that, it will be more and more asp.NET out there on the websites with time, so the best thing would be if some genial programmers managed to make a small package that works on viewing and using asp.NET without Windows.

Always allowed to dream big, huh?
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muggins

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Feb 2008, 23:56    Post subject:  
Hello kattami,

You could try this slax mono module:

http://slax.hosting4p.com/modules.php?category=libraries&id=1461&name=mono

I've no idea whether it's latest version etc but, if you can get it to work, it might save you digging up a ploughed field.

A slax .mo can be loaded like a pup .sfs file. Then you may have to manually symlink any relevant /usr/bin & /usr/lib files to their proper locations. Let us know, either way, about how you go.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2008, 01:19    Post subject:  
Interlude

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cognitive-dissonance-trans-dimensional machine


It is just possible we may live in such a device. There is a physics theory that the reason the speed of light is a constant because the top speed the matrix like hallucination is run at, is related to the speed of light. Game on.
There is also some evidence for quantum tunneling in biological organisms (only two scientific shreds I have come across so far). One here:
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/02/dna-found-to-ha.html

and now back to the records . . .

The reason we support Windows files in Puppy is not because they are small and efficient but because there is a wide usage. In a similar way much expertise is being developed in .NET and java despite there solving of problems that do not exist for many Puppy users.

I do believe that a Developers Puppy, which allowed programmers to explore and compile a variety of languages, would be very welcome.
I did attempt this but it needs time, work and dedication.
http://tmxxine.com/wik/wikka.php?wakka=LinuxTmxxinePhoton
Maybe someone is up for it . . .
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2008, 07:05    Post subject:  
I've been following mono for around1.5yrs, The thing which brought my interest to it was that paint.net was ported with it for linux. I do like paint.net its a closer rival to photoshop then say gimp is. And when it comes to graphics that's what i like to dabble in Smile
here's the paint program I was talking about. http://www.getpaint.net/

also here's the orginal document on its porting. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/May-19.html

and here's the google code about it
http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/

and finally here's all the google info on it
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mono+paint.net&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

The reason why I lost interest in mono was because pain.net is a very small application, only a couple of MB, but after 2 yrs+ they still don't have a 100% port done yet.

maybe 1 day a new paint.net will be made for Linux.

ttuuxxx
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rarsa


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2008, 14:23    Post subject:  
kattami wrote:
And another issue is that my forex trader site has moved over to asp.NET with their new website, so every trader can just log on there no matter where they are.
I don't think I follow you.

It does not matter what technology is used to write a web site as long as it produces HTML. That the site uses asp.net is inconsecuential.

I guess that what you are facing is a website that uses Silverlight.

As far as I know Silverlight is the only web technology that requires .NET on the client.

The linux counterpart for Silverlight is Moonlight also being developed by the mono project.

If that's the case, I'd say stay with Windows for now until Moonlight is usable.
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kattami

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2008, 23:10    Post subject:  
Ok, I see...

Muggins, thanks so much for finding that mono package. I am looking at it now to try to figure it out.

Rarsa, I dont know how it is with the Silverlight and such. What I know is that they told me they used asp.NET to create the whole program, which is accessible from a browser, specifically IE 5.0 and above versions.

I asked them if I could use firefox (and linux) because I dont like IE and quit using it years ago, and they said yeah as long as you use the IE tab for firefox (addons), and no, they dont think its possible to use it with Linux. Which means you have to have the engine that is under Internet Explorer (and its also not possible to use versions before IE 5.0).

If Mono can view this with the Moonlight.....wow! Thats worth to wait for.

ttuuxxx, you are not alone about waiting for an alternative to photoshop and all those adobe programs. I was asked by a webdesigner friend earlier today if there was anything in linux that was a good alternative. I had to say that there is some replacements but no, not for everything in that huge program package.

On the topic about asp.NET....found an open source project yesterday, and I like their intention with this project:

http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/pnet.html

Said some not so pretty words when I read the article "Dont get caught in a .NET" there. Typical Microsoft to say that the era of open computing and free exchange of digital information will end with their .NET plans.

Yeah, right!
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2008, 23:49    Post subject:  
kattami wrote:
I asked them if I could use firefox (and linux) because I dont like IE and quit using it years ago, and they said yeah as long as you use the IE tab for firefox (addons), and no, they dont think its possible to use it with Linux. Which means you have to have the engine that is under Internet Explorer (and its also not possible to use versions before IE 5.0).
Then they are either ignorant, stupid, lying or Microsoft paid them to block other platforms.

The truth is that even if the site is checking the platform to artificially limit the use to windows platforms HTTP is HTTP. So as long as the browser complies with the standards, you can always trick the server.

I followed the advice in the following link
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/hotmail_doesnt_work_with_firefox_2

and I was even able to use the "full" hotmail version under Linux.

Publishing pages that check the platform is definetivelly malicious and stupid.

So, if they told you what they told you out of ignorance, now you can illuminate them.

If they maliciously lied to you... well, you'll know what to do.
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kattami

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2008, 06:19    Post subject:  
Thank you for your reply, rarsa.

I tried what the site you gave link to said, and then logged in with the new user agent (tried both the vista one and the new xml file with that code which I imported), but I still got the grey box that said "Dear user, Please wait while the system loads..."

And there it stays.

So I guess it could be something like Silverlight and encryption stuff they are using. SSL and probably something else. Its alot of money in this area so they have to make it as hackerproof as possible.

However, I WILL find a way to be able to use Puppylinux on this Wink

No way that this girl is going to give up, haha.
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