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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 01:24    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Hardware scalar broadcasting
 

cb88 wrote:
Maybe Lobster could use it as a basis for his time machine top speed 190 mph twice the speed previous speculation has deemed nessesary.


The universe is expanding (quite fast too). Moving (physically) to the same spot but a different time, puts you in space. Part of the reason for starting with broadcasting to the past or future is to make this less of an issue. Once a link of future to past relay broadcasts are set up, we will have the knowledge basis on how best to proceed.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 04:58    Post_subject: Re: heavyweight unified request list (HURL)  

dot wrote:
Filesystem Explorer:

Could you please include XFE in the standard .iso, to replace the similar but uglier uXplor? As a Windows refugee, I'm used to working with tools like XFE; I like to see the filesystem tree and I do become annoyed with ROX's window clutter on occasion.

Xfe was already IN, but due to a glitch in compiling from the Unleashed package, it didn't show up in the menu. That has been fixed for the next release.

dot wrote:
Codecs:

Isn't Gxine based on the same engine as MPlayer? Their homepage has a link to an extended codec pack, so what if the woof-woof page said something like: "If you need WMV / ASF functionality, get it from here ... Check the laws of your country first"? (I think the VLC has a line of legalese somewhere that says "users are responsible for paying MP3 licence fees to the artists" or something like that.)

I would prefer if all multimedia was contained in a single squash (sfs) file. Then the issue of proprietary codecs becomes moot, AFAIK. They become a separate download by each individual user, which keeps the licensing intact.

dot wrote:
Browser / Mail:

Firefox and Thunderbird for me, please. They're bulky, but I really need the add-on functionality (Scrapbook! DownThemAll! Flashblock! CacheView!). Besides, their sleek looks and good reputation might be comforting for Linux newbies (like myself).

In the upcoming web_215.sfs that will be available with RC1 Office Edition. Have you tried the new version of Seamonkey in RC1 Standard Edition yet? I actually prefer it to Firefox myself.

dot wrote:
Puppy versions:

My preference would be for one expandable standard version. As a user of Puppy 2.14, I keep seeing posts about how Pizzapup has this and Grafpup does it that way, and what awesome tools Muppy has - I want them all! I'm a bit tired of distro-shopping right now.
I'm fine with Abiword in the standard edition and OOo as a separate download. By the time you reach the limits of Abiword functionality, you will probably have decided that Puppy is for you and worth expanding.
Question to the kernel / startup experts: is it possible to specify and change preferences on which apps to load into RAM at startup?

Search the forum for Sunburnt's posts on his sfs file GUI bootloader, that lets the user determine what flavor of Puppy they will have today! Razz

dot wrote:
My contribution:

I don't just want to stand on the sidelines and make requests. I'm afraid my Linux and programming skills are extremely limited, but things I could do include:

- Localization. Give me something to translate into German, or from German into English.
- I don't want to promise too much, but I could try my hand at pawedcasting, like recording audio tutorials (English / German). I just need to find a mic and someone to tell me how to make audio files into a podcast.
- Debugging. I could test the dialup apps, for example. I can use the command line and have issued the ./configure - make - make install commands before, sometimes even successfully.
- Crypto: I'm about to test TrueCrypt (and cryptsetup, maybe), so if you're interested in how it went, I'll report back.

These are mostly things that fall into Lobster's baileywick. I'm sure he'd be delighted to get the help you're offering here. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 05:00    Post_subject:  

cb88 wrote:
Put the maximixe minimize button back on Gxine Sad (was it's removal intentional?) its a pain without it. Even kind of freaks me out Shocked (maybe I don't quite freak out Laughing ) . Like whoa what happened to the other button. I really hope this isn't happening in any other apps.

Put it back? I didn't take it out! The fact it is missing is a function of the updated version of Gxine. Check out the new configuration options and you can begin to see why they decided it might be redundant. Razz

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 05:05    Post_subject:  

The Alchemist wrote:
2.15 looks fantastic, the only thing i´am missing is the possibility to shutdown directly from ICEWM... Laughing

Hmmmm...not sure what you mean by this. Menu>Logout>Shutdown is about as "direct(sic)" as it's ever been. Confused

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 05:23    Post_subject:  

cb88 wrote:
when set to 64mb seamokey (the new theme is really slick) gets sluggish. when I switched back to JWM the menu was out of wack some parts looked normal others really big.

A problem with incorrect size of certain menu icons. Icewm corrects but JWM doesn't. It will be fixed in the next release.

cb88 wrote:

As for the boxy puppy logo I like it, the problem is that it needs eyes.

Maybe. It was created from an early M$ Longhorn background that had a stylised steer. I just took the parts of the steer and turned them into a puppy shape. Eyes might work. Maybe getting rid of the logo altogether is even better. We'll see what happens when the Community #irc has its say.

cb88 wrote:

A workaround seems to have been implemented in the case of x not starting (it gives an error message something like choose exit to prompt or try to start x agian).

Actually its a fancier version of xwin created by Pizzasgood to overcome that sort of problem.

cb88 wrote:

Make the window frame in Vista Black theme the same color as the taskbar or maybe gradient like the menu(i don't think it should fade into white like the. Taskbar and menu look great!

You can do this to your own taste, if you like. The theme is at /root/.icewm/themes/Vista_Black ... all you have to do is modify the various parts of the window frame to taste using Gimp or something similar.

cb88 wrote:

Let's dump dillo already just installed hv3 and I could view the community form(that is an exellent start) it seemed fast better than dillo.

Dillo works and hv3 is still immature, IMHO. This was meant to be a consolidation edition i.e. get rid of bugs and usability issues while adding look-and-feel tweaks. I'm sure the community didn't want to introduce a whole new set of potential bugs in what we hope will be a showpiece for Puppy in the wider Linux community. hv3 will wait a little longer. Maybe Barry will include it in 2.16; who knows.

cb88 wrote:

There are so many advanced things on the virge of being put into puppy that an upgrade of the 2.15 may be needed within a few short months just to make it worth using reletive to the then current official realease.

No rush on the final seriously,

Well yes and no. Barry wants to release 2.16 Alpha soon, but doesn't want to bring that out until 2.15CE Final has surfaced. He is taking a liesurely route with 2.16 Alpha, and we're trying to accelerate 2.15CE Final. Hopefully it will all come out in an appropriate timeframe.

Although there is a "features freeze" currently in effect for 2.15CE, I would be willing to ignore that for the right usability feature, such as Sunburnt's GUI boot manager, or an update to rarsa's network wizard, etc. Everything else for the next edition will be contained in external "plug-in" squash files that are not subject to the freeze.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 06:15    Post_subject:  

those wishing to offer non programming HELP - try here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=105689#105689

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 07:01    Post_subject:  

veronicathecow wrote:
Hi DavidBell, that was what I also suggested.
Next time I'll refer to them as Dotpup Collections Smile

I also like Reggies scheme, for me with slight variations ...

1/2. Bare Bones boots up to JWM and presents menu listing in a GUI of component selections (better for new users)
3. Make Selections (Same as Reggie)
4. Selection get's downloaded or found on HDD, CD and installed
5. Burn new CD etc (Same as Reggie)

I think it would make a great package, and long term it might make creating new Puppies easier (I guess). It would be nice if was possible to just update the core and/or applications as needed - so within reason new Puppies could use old application collections and vice-versa.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 07:56    Post_subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
The Alchemist wrote:
2.15 looks fantastic, the only thing i´am missing is the possibility to shutdown directly from ICEWM... Laughing

Hmmmm...not sure what you mean by this. Menu>Logout>Shutdown is about as "direct(sic)" as it's ever been. Confused

Actually it is fairly simple to put a shut-down icon on ther desktop... there is one shown on a customised desktop capture I posted on another thread somewhere.


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http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=15818&start=15
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Is that what The Alchemist was meaning, perhaps? I'm a great believer in one click commands, and used to customise AutoCAD for DOS menus for a living some years ago Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007, 00:53    Post_subject:    

Nothing about the toshiba support?... It's probably a dumb question isn't it? I'm such a newb. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007, 08:55    Post_subject:  

Hey Lobster, you know I really miss the right-click-menus in CE.
I just loaded it up on a C7 1.5 with 512m ram, and it really looks great...
For some reason, even Samba finds all of my networked shares, and even mounts em. Shocked

So, I do have one question;

Is it possible to add/change the theme(s)?
As it is hard to see some of the text.
I find it easier with a lighter background on the window bar(s)....

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007, 09:23    Post_subject:  

bobn9lvu wrote:
Is it possible to add/change the theme(s)?
As it is hard to see some of the text.
I find it easier with a lighter background on the window bar(s)....

Menu>Settings>Themes and choose one. IcebergX and Abby are both light background themes.

You can also download a complete theme collection from the PSI repositories.

Hope that helps.

BTW. Right click on desktop to bring up the menu is back in the next release. You can add it yourself by editing /root/.icewm/preferences to read the following at about Line 158:
Code:
#  Manage root window (EXPERIMENTAL - normally enabled!)
GrabRootWindow=1 # 0/1

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2007, 04:30    Post_subject:  

This very interesting thread has gone on for XX pages, and
may well hit XXX pages. This may not necc be a good thing.

There are plenty of great suggestions on this/that browser, editor,
theme, WM, etc. Unfortunately, they are not all compatible
in some way or other with Barry's mission statements,
eg a particular app may be 'big' but 'useful'.

May i respectfully suggest a poll, not based on the
specific app, but on which of Barry's mission statements for
puppylinux is the most important. Then we can move ahead
with the specifics, scoring each suggestion against the
community's expectations of mission statement importance.

Here is my order, in decreasing importance, of the mission statements:
1. It will just work, no hassles.
2. Totally in RAM
3. All apps for daily use
4. Run fast
5. save back to CD/USB if required
6. breathe new life into old PCs
7. easy install.

I dont know how to start a poll. If anyone thinks this is a
reasonable way forward, pls help. thanks
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2007, 05:23    Post_subject:  

Hi, pupshock, would you be prepared to set up a poll?
My own priorities would be
Ease of installation (If you end up with a broken install you are stuck)
Printing must work
Internet via USB, dial, wireless must work
Speed of bootup and shutdown (People just don't want to wait)
Must be able to coexist with Windows (Perhaps with a grub restore facility in case Windows gets re-installed and breaks Puppy
Runs fast (fully in RAM on older machines but does slow boot times)
Ease of configuring desktop (Time, resolution, adding shortcuts, auto start of programs)
ERGANOMICS. I suffer from RSI, Right mouse on desktop save times and movement. I also have poor vision 2 detached retinas and cataracts so while I appreciate fancy looking desktops a clean, high contrast, good fonts are essential (I'm writing this on a 23 inch monitor set to 1024x768)
Industry standard compatible programs for all common stuff used on Window, Office, GIMP NVU, Thunderbird, Firefox, XMMS, Gxine, MSN, CD/DVD writing, PDF (Achieved by a base Puppy and a CE edition?)
What would others like to see in such a poll?
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2007, 06:18    Post_subject:  

Sure, i dont mind setting up a poll.
Problem is, the forum poll only allows voting for _one_ of the
option statements, not a ranking of the options.
Its tedious, but a method could be:
1st poll on the most important mission statement.
2nd poll on the 2nd most important mission statement
(with the most important mission statement omitted from the
options)
etc ...
any other ideas how to get it done?
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2007, 06:30    Post_subject:  

Thats a nice idea, but this thread is about 2.15ce which is already on rc2!
Its basically set in stone. A new thread about the next ce with a poll would be good, especially if Barry is going to be changing puppy's structure.

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