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Puppy 2.15CE "Viz" - Development Ideas/Requests
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DavidBell

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2007, 17:12    Post subject:  

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Whodo: The webdev.sfs idea was good but, with the limit of 5 files including pup_215.sfs and zdrv_215.sfs


It may be an old idea but I was wondering if it would be better not use sfs to dsitribute application suites, and instead use a system multi-dotpups. It would sort of go

    * putget manager modified to handle multipups, which are just lists of dotpups. I had a bit of a look, while I don't know anything about scripting it doesn't look too complex.

    * when the user selects a multipup, the manager downloads and installs them one by one in the order of the list, and also creates uninstall data (which I think it does anyway)

    * DL'ed dotpups are stored in a special folder that it checks before re-downloading anything (so a CD/ISO version might have them all there ready).


I see a few things that need several dotpups to get going (eg Python & Beryl recnetly), and to me installing a single multipup in this way would be a lot easier. And it could be set up to deliver entire suites - eg in PuppyCE it could come as the base version with half a dozen multipup lists in Setup, that would install any or all of Web, Multimedia, Office etc (either from download or ISO). Or it might come with all the options installed, and you could use multipup to pull applications out. Finally it would also mean a derivative puppy would just be the standard PuppyCE with a custom multipup list.

I also wondered if all applications, including those aquired by dotpup/multipup were by default put in a separate apps.sfs, then after the user had got all their applications the way they wanted they could just backup apps.sfs. I think this may be do-able wioth multipup because it would free up a spare sfs or two. I don't know if this would really be an advantage though.

Just some thoghts. DB
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2007, 00:38    Post subject:  

I think it would be worth enabling Puppy to open Microsoft .url files. I wrote a script to do it http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=12262 but could never quite figure out the proper way to integrate it with Puppy. I know there are people out there that actually understand mimetypes and everything, and I imagine it would be fairly easy for one of them to do.
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veronicathecow


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2007, 03:18    Post subject:  

Hi DavidBell, that was what I also suggested. It could mean less work also for custom Puppy creators when there are new version of the base Puppy (assuming no changes to menu structure etc) Many thanks
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2007, 15:08    Post subject:  heavyweight unified request list (HURL)  

May I just chime in here with my 2 cent's worth, adding another long list to a long thread:

Themes:

The Vista theme in the screenshot looks great to me; maybe use amber font colour for better readability. I wouldn't describe it as 'tacky' (KDE Keramik or standard Windows XP are closer to my idea of tackiness), but as someone who tries to get away from Microsoft I must say it is too ... Vista. Can we have something that looks different from either Windows or Mac OS X but is still intuitive? I know that's asking a lot; I'll go with whatever you have to offer.

Filesystem Explorer:

Could you please include XFE in the standard .iso, to replace the similar but uglier uXplor? As a Windows refugee, I'm used to working with tools like XFE; I like to see the filesystem tree and I do become annoyed with ROX's window clutter on occasion.

Codecs:

Isn't Gxine based on the same engine as MPlayer? Their homepage has a link to an extended codec pack, so what if the woof-woof page said something like: "If you need WMV / ASF functionality, get it from here ... Check the laws of your country first"? (I think the VLC has a line of legalese somewhere that says "users are responsible for paying MP3 licence fees to the artists" or something like that.)

Dialup:

One of the things I like about Puppy is that it recognizes my PCMCIA modem, something which Suse 9.3 and Ubuntu Dapper weren't able to do. Getting online via the Connect button, however, just doesn't work, at least on my hardware. Xeznet, on the other hand, does connect me, but not everyone will guess that the 'connect' button is here labelled 'Up'. (Oh, and the Edit button does not save edits, BTW.)

Browser / Mail:

Firefox and Thunderbird for me, please. They're bulky, but I really need the add-on functionality (Scrapbook! DownThemAll! Flashblock! CacheView!). Besides, their sleek looks and good reputation might be comforting for Linux newbies (like myself).

Automounting:

Personally, I'm fine with mounting manually, but I can see the advantage of having checkboxes. While we're at it, could, uhm, 'someone' include an XFE button besides the ROX button? Launching an explorer window from the mounting tool is very useful and I use it a lot.
Maybe there should be a very visible "If you want to access your drives, do this" hint on the woof-woof startup page.

Puppy versions:

My preference would be for one expandable standard version. As a user of Puppy 2.14, I keep seeing posts about how Pizzapup has this and Grafpup does it that way, and what awesome tools Muppy has - I want them all! I'm a bit tired of distro-shopping right now.
I'm fine with Abiword in the standard edition and OOo as a separate download. By the time you reach the limits of Abiword functionality, you will probably have decided that Puppy is for you and worth expanding.
Question to the kernel / startup experts: is it possible to specify and change preferences on which apps to load into RAM at startup?

CD burning:

Gcombust confuses me. Grafburn looks nice, but needs lots of temporary storage to make the .iso and then burn that. TkDVD is simple and does what it's supposed to do once you enlarge the window to find the previously hidden "Burn" button.
I haven't yet tried burning audio CDs, though.

Puppy community:

Can we (= you) work towards having a one-stop Puppy page that directs you to ONE .pup/.pet site, ONE Wiki and ONE Forum?

My contribution:

I don't just want to stand on the sidelines and make requests. I'm afraid my Linux and programming skills are extremely limited, but things I could do include:

- Localization. Give me something to translate into German, or from German into English.
- I don't want to promise too much, but I could try my hand at pawedcasting, like recording audio tutorials (English / German). I just need to find a mic and someone to tell me how to make audio files into a podcast.
- Debugging. I could test the dialup apps, for example. I can use the command line and have issued the ./configure - make - make install commands before, sometimes even successfully.
- Crypto: I'm about to test TrueCrypt (and cryptsetup, maybe), so if you're interested in how it went, I'll report back.


ta, Viz! [<-- sorry about that]
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iscraigh

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 00:19    Post subject:  

Just playing around and I noticed that the remote desktop client was not showing up in the menu. Rdesktop (RC1) is there but the gui appears to be missing.


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 00:36    Post subject:  

iscraigh wrote:
Just playing around and I noticed that the remote desktop client was not showing up in the menu. Rdesktop (RC1) is there but the gui appears to be missing.

Yep. Fixed for RC2/Final. If you reinstall the GUI client from dotpup, and then run fixmenus from the console, it will appear where it is supposed to be when you refresh Icewm.

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The Alchemist

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 07:10    Post subject:  

2.15 looks fantastic, the only thing i´am missing is the possibility to shutdown directly from ICEWM... Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 07:42    Post subject: boxer dog logo on the desktop
Subject description: desktop background image - que?
 

Cool I think it looks fantastic too.

There is some concern over the (difficult to decipher) boxer dog logo on the desktop and I would suggest we use sea, ask for a new one or . . .?

I do rather like the azul default theme (and I am not hot on the dark themes)

This really is good. Try Viz RC1 or better still the Office version.

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cb88


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 09:46    Post subject:  

I am running puppy 2.25CE rc1 inside virtualbox on xp right now w/ 96Mb ram in the VM very responsive when set to 64mb seamokey (the new theme is really slick) gets sluggish. when I switched back to JWM the menu was out of wack some parts looked normal others really big. Why not just drop jwm? If JWM is for slower pc's then why not use a more minimalistic window manager for those? is there a more lightweight WM than JWM?

As for the boxy puppy logo I like it, the problem is that it needs eyes.

A workaround seems to have been implemented in the case of x not starting (it gives an error message something like choose exit to prompt or try to start x agian).

Make the window frame in Vista Black theme the same color as the taskbar or maybe gradient like the menu(i don't think it should fade into white like the. Taskbar and menu look great!

Let's dump dillo already just installed hv3 and I could view the community form(that is an exellent start) it seemed fast better than dillo.

There are so many advanced things on the virge of being put into puppy that an upgrade of the 2.15 may be needed within a few short months just to make it worth using reletive to the then current official realease.

No rush on the final seriously,
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 10:31    Post subject:  

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when I switched back to JWM the menu was out of wack some parts looked normal others really big. Why not just drop jwm? If JWM is for slower pc's then why not use a more minimalistic window manager for those? is there a more lightweight WM than JWM?


JWM is a good compromise on smallness, generic Windows type feel and features. The big sizing in JWM has been put on the bugs page
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy215Bugs
It was decided at the last meeting to use IceWm as the default but include JWM


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As for the boxy puppy logo I like it, the problem is that it needs eyes.


You are right - care to add eyes? Know anyone up for it?

Smile

Many thanks

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Reggie


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 13:30    Post subject: Puppy 2.15 Build as you go.
Subject description: Starting with a 1 Bone Puppy - load up what you need.
 

Well, I would like a 1 Bone Puppy command line puppy that boots and finds CD and the internet, then walks through a text menu of check boxes of each and every little subcomponent.

1. Boots Up
2. Presents Menu Listing
3. You make your selections
4. That, and only that loads up.
5. Burn a new CD or install to hard drive / USB flash drive.

Done, just what the USER wants.

Each Subcomponent should have 2 - 4 sentences describing what the component does.

Then Even a newbie can 'Build his own' Puppy.

Items would be grouped:
Graphics, Windows Manager, Command Line Tools, Sound, Multimedia, Applications.

Once the user has gone down the list, the selections are all loaded up, ready to run, or burns to a new .iso live CD, or ready to install into a USB key drive or hard drive. All the extra stuff left out.

All the packages can come from the Bigger Base CD image, or download from the internet.

I'd like this in order to build 'custom' puppies - just plays music, no web browser, no graphics editor, no email, etc. Just for DVDs, Just for Graphics. Remove the ability to Add new packages for educational workstations, Etc.

This would empower puppy for many new users, who want to build a super small install without any extra space wasted. Hopefully it would shrink size and increase speed for some uses, since less storage and less ram would be used.

Super easy to use - because of the better explanations of what all those little packages are... just arrow, spacebar, and enter (point and click with the keyboard, text menu first, no mouse support / GUI at first startup.)

What do you think? Question
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 14:09    Post subject:  

Quote:
What do you think? Question

Awesome, but think in terms of months worth of development. IE nopt for 2.15ce.

Nathan

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 15:10    Post subject:  

Reggie's idea seems well worth exploring to me...
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 15:30    Post subject:  

I second that Exclamation Exclamation
It would make Puppy one mean little machine. Shocked Very Happy
AND it would be light years ahead of any other small distro. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2007, 23:44    Post subject:  

Put the maximixe minimize button back on Gxine Sad (was it's removal intentional?) its a pain without it. Even kind of freaks me out Shocked (maybe I don't quite freak out Laughing ) . Like whoa what happened to the other button. I really hope this isn't happening in any other apps.
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