Micro Muppy 002 (12 MB-Iso with Xvesa)

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#31 Post by MU »

whodo:
no not possible, the windowmanager had to support that.

raffy:
yes, with Puppybasic or bash and xmessage one could write simple tools like a drivemounter :)
Not as sophisticated as MUT, but easier to use than the console maybe.

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I uploaded another one: MicroMuppyOpera (18 MB).
It has only jwm and wmsetbg and opera 9.10.
I use a "brute force" method to load drivers for ethernet-cards (in a loop I modprobe all *.o.gz in /lib/modules/2.4/net).
Then dhcpcd connects to a network, if available.

This slows down startup a bit, but gives you a good chance to get a working internet -connection on a network-computer, for example if you go online via a router.

I found no solution to disable VT-switching (exit X with ctrl-alt-F1).
This would be important for public internet-terminals.
It seems for this I would have to replace Xvesa with Xorg using a vesa-driver, that allows that via option "DontVTSwitch" in xorg.conf.
I'm too tired for this now.

Mark

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To test the isos in qemu, I downloaded:
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Emulators/KQe ... ppy109.pup
Then I added this startscript as "start" in the folder /usr/local/QPuppy109:

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#!/bin/bash
a=/usr/local/QPuppy109
rm -f /tmp/qiso

#ln -s "$a/MicroMuppy002.iso"  /tmp/qiso

ln -s "$a/MicroMuppyOpera.iso"  /tmp/qiso


cd "$a"
./qemu -std-vga -append 'root=/dev/ram0 PQEMU=1 clock=pit' -m 128 -boot d -cdrom /tmp/qiso
Now you can copy your iso there, and run:
/usr/local/QPuppy109/start
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#32 Post by DavidBell »

Awesome. 2 minutes to dowload, 1m:30s burn CD, about 30 sec to boot. All up and running in 4 minutes :-). This is a very handy base for what I am doing with puppy (simple, single purpose computers).

One thing I noticed, it doesn't report correct time (think I'm GMT -10)

DB

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#33 Post by raffy »

This is very much usable - am using it now. Thanks, Mark. :D

Will want to test it on a USB flash, but others can do that for now as I have to finish a LAMP sfs add-on for Puppy 2.01+ and present it tomorrow.

Note: Clock is 16h behind my time (+8 ), or 8h behind GMT.
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#34 Post by amish »

micro muppy is adorable!

it certainly took care of my misunderstanding that the lovely xfe needed xfce wm for some reason (heh)

and it didn't come with much... i've seen the editor before (there's a windows version) but i thought i'd see if it had puppybasic - yep, and version 2.5 :)

so i tried to come up with a fun (read: useless) one line script: (remove "shell ("sleep "& (n mod 2)):" to make it run instantaneously, otherwise it takes 24 seconds)

puppybasic -e 'for n=1 to 48:for s=1 to int(cos(n*3.14*.25)*10+50):print " ";:next s: print chr(27)&"[32m";"C":for s=1 to int(sin(n*3.14*.25)*10+50):print " ";:next s:print chr(27)&"[34m";"s";shell ("sleep "& (n mod 2)):next n:print chr(27)&"[39m":remark="this is public domain"'
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#35 Post by Lobster »

micromuppy opera - worked for me - hooray (go to the first post in this thread for the download)

make the mouse choice first (I did it second and had to crash the machine) and then the res choice

also you go straight into a connected Puppy (most distros do this) tell Barry - if we have DHCP can we auto-connect - we can with micro opera?

This reminds me of Byzantine OS that tried to do everything from a browser

A minimal set of on line apps like so, might be of interest as a home page :)

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#36 Post by ARAN »

Mark this work is really great.

Do you have build MicroPUP with Puppy Unleashed.
If yes can you upload the package file for rebuilding MicroPUP with Puppy Unleashed.

I would like try to rebuild MicroPup with the Puppy Unleashed method.
I need something simple like MicroPup for the first Time for trying Puppy Unleashed.

Thanks for the Answers in advance
Greetings ARAN

P.S. What or better where do you leaving on the 5th Februar ?

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#37 Post by MU »

No, not unleashed.

I extracted Picopup, a 8 MB-Puppy without X.
It has everything in image.gz.

You could copy all files from a MicroMuppy CD to a folder "/MicroMuppyiso".
Then I installed this program:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=12089

In a texteditor, I replaced in AppRun all "initrd" with "image" (as Puppy 1 uses image.gz instead of initrd.gz).
And I modified this line:

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	PAD=1800 #600 #160 #98 THIS IS WEIRD HAD TO INCREASE THIS FROM 160 TO 600 v2.12!!!
1800 is needed for Opera, for MicroMuppy you can use 900.

I also replaced all "loop3" with "loop5", because I have some .sfs files mounted, that use loop3 and loop4.

Now I can open image.gz in rox via drag'n'drop with this nice program, and delete/add/modify files (make backups before!).
Then I re-create the iso:

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#!/bin/sh

mkisofs -o MicroMuppy002.iso -b isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table MicroMuppyiso/
Then I test it in qemu as described above, or burn it to a multisession-CD with grafburn.

Note:
the larger it gets, you must increase the "ramdisk_size = 29000" line in isolinux.cfg, or the iso will throw errors "could not copy files to tmpfs".
You can run "du" in the mounted image to find out the space it needs, and add around 1 MB to the resulting size.
To put everything in image.gz is not recommended for larger isos, only for microsystems < 20 MB or so.

This method might be less comfortable than re-building an unleashed Puppy.
But it allows to build extremely small isos, if you have some advanced knowledge of Linux (how and where to copy libraries, modify rc.local0 and such).

Mark
Ps: I'm leaving there:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=14597

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#38 Post by MU »

I found out, why my mice were not recognized:
I do not modprobe usb-uhci (what activates the USB1-controller).

I will upload new versions tomorrow, I'm too busy today.
Workaround:
On startscreen, press CTRL-C until it exits to prompt.
Then type
modprobe usb-uhci

Strangely, after that X cannot start, it does no longer find the libs in /usr/X11R6/lib.

I could fix this with:
ls /usrX11R6/lib/ | while read a;do ln -s /usrX11R6/lib/$a /usr/lib/$a;done

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Some googling also indicated a solution concerning the non-working ncurses.
TERM=linux requires a symlink somewhere in a subfolder.
Must google again for it, but this might not go in the next update, as ncurses requires glib, too (or was it mc only?). Must sort out first, how much space this all requires.

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I also think of using icewm instead of jwm later, as that works better with fullscreen applications like Opera in Kioskmode or pictureviewers.
In jwm I can autohide the taskbar, but Opera does not fill the whole screen then. So try icewm.

And I need to add xorgs vesa instead of kdrive to be able to deactivate vt-switching.

Mark

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#39 Post by sunburnt »

MU; If disabling: "Ctrl Alt Backspace" is troublesome, perhaps a daemon
that checks if the WM is running, say... every 2 seconds.
That'd allow almost no time at all for anything to be typed into the console,
and it'd cover anyother possable hacking methods of dropping to the console.

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Yep, Full USB stuff should be loaded verbatim, & auto. network setup as well.

As I've said several times, the added size of the Samba server files is 11 KB !
Most libraries for it are already in Puppy... shouldn't ALL Puppies share files?
After all... it is suppost to be a replacement for WinHoes... step it up Puppies!

A full 8 loop devices is a no brainer, I'm not sure Puppy-110 has this fixed yet.

These last items are what I consider to be "absolutely must have" for Puppy.
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#40 Post by sunburnt »

MU; I've got the LanPuppy setup working & I had some thoughts...

Currently the clients boot to a disabled Puppy & login mounts functional
image.gz & usr_cram.fs files over the top of the disabled ones.

I'd use the client Puppy's kernel instead of MicroMuppy's to insure stabilty.
But the WMs are different, & will always be as clients can be different Puppy ver.

So to do this, the boot WM would have to stop & then the full WM would start.
Then MicroMuppy could boot for any Puppy-1 ver. no matter what it's WM was.
I tried this before, & I had trouble with JWM, but I can't really remember.

Another method would be for MicroMuppy to start no WM, just show login box.
Then the full WM would just have to be started after login (I'm vauge on this).

Puppy-2 could be LanPuppies like this also, but with extensive mods. of course.
Then again... I've modded Puppy-1 quite abit as it is, Puppy-2 ain't that different.

Please post your thoughts about using MicroMuppy like this, or swapping WMs.
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#41 Post by jason.b.c »

Hey MU..

Do you think this could work out in muppy..??

http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/index.shtml

Screenshot..

http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/screensho ... on-gfx.png

It's ok , And lightweight.. :D
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#42 Post by sunburnt »

jason.b.c; Looks like it'd work well for servers or industrial controls,
unfortunately no graphics of course (unless "text based" means something else).

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#43 Post by PeterSieg »

Hi Mark. Writing this from MicroMuppyOpera - Just great!
Booting time to opera was VERY fast.. I would say around 25-30 seconds!!
(Just must watch the chars, since I have a german keyboard :lol: )

I think, this is just too good to be just a test / one time efford!

With a little more tweaking:
* detect ps/2 or usb mouse automatically
* allow keyboard selection. Probably allowing to enter the 2 char abb. (de=german)
or have a selection from the start button...
* probably detect eth0 properly (but it worked for me..)
* allow saving of bookmarks. Ex. when usb stick is detected at startup, use this and look for
the proper file.. autosave at exit..

But I know.. when you start listening to wishes.. there is the risk, that the wish list never
gets finished, because peoble always writing new items at the end.. :oops:

Keep up the good work!
Greetings Peter
Have fun :)

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#44 Post by Todd »

I burned MicroPuppyOpera and tried booting it. I have a new computer that uses all USB devices (no PS2 ports) and sees all of the hard drive partitions as SDA devices. It bound up when it was scanning through all of the SDA devices. Any suggestions?

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#45 Post by Sage »

Not sure whether this one is relevant:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=15215

My old Olympus camera used a pseudo-scsi IF and I had to do crazy things I never understood with /proc/scsi/scsi to get it working in Linux. All the major distros can read real and pseudo-scsi now, though. All very strange, because, of course, Unix/Linux used to be a scsi-only system. IDE, even at ATA33, was considered the poor man's choice.

No disrespect, Todd, but I am amazed that a fellow of your obvious talent is buying proprietary tat off-the-shelf. Perhaps we need to launch a campaign so that, at least all those visiting these pages, build their own machines? It's one of those tasks like programming the proverbial video recorder - draft in the nearest six-year old! Presently, there is a massive waste of intellectual effort of Linux coders trying to communicate with proprietary hardware that has been deliberately designed with leverage in mind. Capitalism is destined to milk the proletariat until education elevates everyone to an higher plain of realisation.

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#46 Post by toddyjoe »

Mark, I just saw this thread after some time away from the forums. I tried doing exactly what you accomplished with Pico Pup a couple of months ago but became too frustrated trying to rebuild the minimal Pico Pup. Puppy 1.08 is still my favorite Puppy and perfect for my music applications so this smaller compatible version is VERY exciting news to me. You said ALSA is still included? I cannot wait to try this after the download. I thought my search for the ideal Linux distro for my needs was over but maybe not. :)

As always, good job and thanks for sticking with this project!

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Anyone tried skype with micro muppy?

#47 Post by raffy »

Has anyone tried skype with micro muppy, or is this possible at all? it should be easy to install skype - just decompress and run, especially the qt-lib-static version.

The reason I ask is the possibility of promoting browsing and skype-ing appliance hooked to TV - I will post a picture in a moment.
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#48 Post by sunburnt »

Monitors are still pretty expensive, but most homes have a TV.
They're not hi-res but you use what you got, it works okay.
You just need a cheap TV card & Puppy dialogs that fit on screen
& the fonts set to larger & bolded, then reading dialogs works.

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#49 Post by blubb_fallo »

Where can MicroMuppyOpera be downloaded? I can't find it anywhere. :(

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#50 Post by MU »

ok, reactivated it.
I did not want to offer Isos any more on this server, but Micronuppy is very small, so it should be ok.
Mark

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