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eBoxPup-2.13-0.1alpha released
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MorganP


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar 2007, 18:33    Post_subject:  

Thanks! I was able to get it running fine from a USB Flash. Cool. However, I ran the Puppy Universal Installer to install it to the CF card using the default install options, and it does not want to boot from it. I see it as the Primary Slave in the BIOS setup and I set the 1st bood device as IDE-0, but the box acts as if there is not a bootable device.

Do I need to select a specific boot type option when creating the CF with the Universal Installer?
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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar 2007, 19:12    Post_subject: hdb1  

I guess the compact flash is a slave, so it should be IDE1 in the BIOS.

Installing to "CF in USB adapter, later move to IDE" will actually write the correct syslinux.cfg, like:
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default vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initrd.gz ide=nodma PMEDIA=ideflash

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MorganP


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Mar 2007, 20:17    Post_subject:  

Got it to boot off of the inserted CF (BIOS said Primary slave, IDE-0 was only option for boot device order when it was inserted)

In the Puppy Universal Installer, the option I chose on selecting the destination was:
IDE Flash Drive (CF card in IDE adapter)

Instead of the default MBR option I selected the SuperFloppy with ext3 format. That worked fine. Tried a few times with the default format options without success.


I'm dissapointed that this ebox2300 only successfuly drives my KDS LCD at 8 bit color (1024X768). I'll have to see if I have better luck on a different monitor.
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pakt


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar 2007, 03:58    Post_subject:  

MorganP wrote:
I'm dissapointed that this ebox2300 only successfuly drives my KDS LCD at 8 bit color (1024X768). I'll have to see if I have better luck on a different monitor.

Sounds like you're running Xvesa. When I run Xvesa, I can only get 800x600 on my LCD monitor. But using Xorg, I get the full 1024x768@16 that I want (note that according to specs, the eBox-2300 is capable of 1280x1024). So you might give Xorg a try Wink

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MorganP


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar 2007, 21:42    Post_subject:  

Thanks Paul. I thought I had tried both, but I went through it again and it spent alot of time on Probing Video Hardware (or something like that) that I know I hadn't seen before. Looks great now.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2007, 08:46    Post_subject:  

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attitude

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 05:23    Post_subject: puppy install on ebox2300  

Tried to install puppy on an ebox230 - it boots just fine from CF but when i try to do an instalation on the ebox2300 from CF to built in flash it just runt out of memmory and fails.

Finally gave up and doing a dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda --waiting for it to complete now...

Hope to be using the ebox as a rdp client with a printer attatched to the ebox - will see how it goes...
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attitude

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2007, 05:49    Post_subject: semi success  

dd worked just fine - but after shuting down and saving my state the first tim i now only have 30mb free on my ebox 2300 with eboxpup

also the soundcard does not seem to work...
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elundquist


Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2007, 07:50    Post_subject: Corrupt ISO?  

Hi Paul!

Is the ebox alpha ISO image on bexa.org corrupted? I can't get the MD5 to checksum. When I use Nero to burn the CD, it complains that the block size does not match the image length. I tried telling it to ignore the error and burn anyway. This resulted in a CD that appeared to boot just fine. However it was unable to configure devices like the 3189too or sound. Doing modprobes from the command line leads me to believe that the zdrv file appears to be corrupt.

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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Mar 2007, 01:44    Post_subject: check on it  

I will check on it. Meantime, the full versions of Puppy 2.13 or 2.14 will have the drivers for that machine, so you can try them out.
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elundquist


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PostPosted: Sat 31 Mar 2007, 19:50    Post_subject: VT6655 on Puppy?  

Thanks Raffy! Seems to be working now. The Boxpup sound and wired network seem to work well.

Has anyone gotten the wireless network card working on the ebox? I saw a discussion that said that version 1.1 of the VIA VT6655 driver would work with ndiswrapper but that the current 1.3 version would not. I have not been able to locate a 1.1 version of the driver. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

The application I have in mind for the eBox (an autonomous robot) requires the wireless networking. If I can't get it working under Puppy I'll have to change over the project to Win CE! Yuck! Any help or guidance would be appreciated.

- Eric

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TheBert

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2007, 02:40    Post_subject: newbie having no luck with ebox and eboxpup
Sub_title: How to get the eboxpup iso onto a bootable CF card for the ebox?
 

Hello All,

My problems are all no doubt because I'm a newbie, but since they relate specifically to the eBox2300 and eboxpup, I'm posting in this thread, rather than the newbie sections. My request is basically the same as the one by "Cheetah" earlier in this thread, but the responses to that haven't helped me.

I have a windows backround, so Linux is totally new to me, and need some detailed help on geting linux running on the ebox. I've been bouncing around the web, two eboxes, and other machines for about two weeks, and I'm just getting nowhere,

(I have followed some instructions found in these forums, but suspect that they are incomplete, or assume steps that would be "obvious" to an experienced linux user, but not to me.)

First of all, I find the eBox2300 to be a very frustrating beast just in itself, yet it all my digging around on the web, people seem to be using it happily?! (what am I doing wrong?...)

The ebox bios seems a bit flakey to me:-
* You can't just hold down "del" to enter the bios at power on, it seems one must be hitting it repeatedly.
* In the "advanced options", the choice of available boot devices is often incomplete. "Auto detect" shows my CF card, but it's not shown in the boot device list.
* To get a device into the list, I've had to try booting from something that is listed (but doesn't exist), then the list is updated correctly on next power-up.
* I've never been able to boot from the internal IDE-0 drive, a USB-flash drive, or a USB-CDROm drive, only from CF cards on IDE-1 (but that's all I really need).
* Formatting a CF card on another system and loading MS-DOS to it seems to be the only thing that boots reliably. Having done that, I can fdisk to set up a partition on the internal IDE-0 drive (shows up as drive D), format /S to make it bootable, and copy files to it with no problem. But still the ebox will not boot from it!

Anyway, for now I only want to boot some flavour of Linux from a CF card (IDE-1). Finding eBoxPup, it seemed the obvious choice to go with. I've downloaded the iso given by pakt in the first post in this thread, but I need some help in using it.
I can get the files from the iso by two means:-
* I have burned it to a CD
* Using ALZip to view and extract the files.

But how to get it onto a CF card? The long way seems to be to boot another system from the CD and follow the instructions given by pakt in response to Cheetah earlier in this thread.

I have tried this, which uses the puppy universal installer, with the "CF-USB cardreader and later move to CF-IDE" option. I've done this several times, on real and virtual machines, with different CF cards, and it's never resulted in a bootable CF card for the ebox. I don't see the mentioned "sys-nopart.mbr" choice when I do this (I assume this means selecting superfloppy, despite the advice not to). Also, during the format/copy process I see a message about an unuseable sector (or some such), but the installer doesn't seem bothered by this, and it proceeds and seems to complete the process sucessfully.

Isn't there an easier way? Can't I just format the CF card under windows, and extract the iso files to it (using ALZip)
(I've done this and the CF cards seems to be loaded just fine). But of course it doesn't boot, since there's no bootloader at the start of the drive. Is there a simple way to make this CF bootable?

Apologies for any dumbness on my part here, and thanks for any help you can give me on this...

Cheers,
Rob
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drongo


Joined: 10 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2007, 05:00    Post_subject:  

TheBert,

It's not just you. I'm having the same problems with the universal installer. There is a new version out which may fix your problems but I haven't tried it yet.

drongo

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elundquist


Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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Location: Austin, Texas USA

PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr 2007, 08:03    Post_subject: Re: newbie having no luck with ebox and eboxpup
Sub_title: How to get the eboxpup iso onto a bootable CF card for the ebox?
 

Rob,
It is not just you. It's a very frustrating little box. I have been trying to document my trials and tribulations with getting the thing working here:
http://www.robotgroup.net/index.cgi/BoX2300

To get the CF card working, you will need to boot from the CD on a regular PC. Use one of those cheapo USB multi-card reader/writers with your CF card to create a bootable CF drive.

- Eric


TheBert wrote:
Hello All,

My problems are all no doubt because I'm a newbie, but since they relate specifically to the eBox2300 and eboxpup, I'm posting in this thread, rather than the newbie sections. My request is basically the same as the one by "Cheetah" earlier in this thread, but the responses to that haven't helped me.

I have a windows backround, so Linux is totally new to me, and need some detailed help on geting linux running on the ebox. I've been bouncing around the web, two eboxes, and other machines for about two weeks, and I'm just getting nowhere,

(I have followed some instructions found in these forums, but suspect that they are incomplete, or assume steps that would be "obvious" to an experienced linux user, but not to me.)

First of all, I find the eBox2300 to be a very frustrating beast just in itself, yet it all my digging around on the web, people seem to be using it happily?! (what am I doing wrong?...)

The ebox bios seems a bit flakey to me:-
* You can't just hold down "del" to enter the bios at power on, it seems one must be hitting it repeatedly.
* In the "advanced options", the choice of available boot devices is often incomplete. "Auto detect" shows my CF card, but it's not shown in the boot device list.
* To get a device into the list, I've had to try booting from something that is listed (but doesn't exist), then the list is updated correctly on next power-up.
* I've never been able to boot from the internal IDE-0 drive, a USB-flash drive, or a USB-CDROm drive, only from CF cards on IDE-1 (but that's all I really need).
* Formatting a CF card on another system and loading MS-DOS to it seems to be the only thing that boots reliably. Having done that, I can fdisk to set up a partition on the internal IDE-0 drive (shows up as drive D), format /S to make it bootable, and copy files to it with no problem. But still the ebox will not boot from it!

Anyway, for now I only want to boot some flavour of Linux from a CF card (IDE-1). Finding eBoxPup, it seemed the obvious choice to go with. I've downloaded the iso given by pakt in the first post in this thread, but I need some help in using it.
I can get the files from the iso by two means:-
* I have burned it to a CD
* Using ALZip to view and extract the files.

But how to get it onto a CF card? The long way seems to be to boot another system from the CD and follow the instructions given by pakt in response to Cheetah earlier in this thread.

I have tried this, which uses the puppy universal installer, with the "CF-USB cardreader and later move to CF-IDE" option. I've done this several times, on real and virtual machines, with different CF cards, and it's never resulted in a bootable CF card for the ebox. I don't see the mentioned "sys-nopart.mbr" choice when I do this (I assume this means selecting superfloppy, despite the advice not to). Also, during the format/copy process I see a message about an unuseable sector (or some such), but the installer doesn't seem bothered by this, and it proceeds and seems to complete the process sucessfully.

Isn't there an easier way? Can't I just format the CF card under windows, and extract the iso files to it (using ALZip)
(I've done this and the CF cards seems to be loaded just fine). But of course it doesn't boot, since there's no bootloader at the start of the drive. Is there a simple way to make this CF bootable?

Apologies for any dumbness on my part here, and thanks for any help you can give me on this...

Cheers,
Rob
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TheBert

Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2007, 13:14    Post_subject:  

Thanks guys, good to know I'm not the only one having difficulties with this.

drongo:
Do you have a link to this new installer version?

elundquist:
I've stumbled across your page before, but don't see any discussion of your "trials and tribulations" in the link you gave?

I do have a USB/flash adaptor gizmo, and have used it to load up a bootable MS-DOS CF card. I can format it from windows and copy the iso files to it. I just don't know how to make it bootable.

It still seems to me that since the iso can be be used to boot puppy linux, it's contents extracted to a CF card must be "close" to bootable, with just some simple linkage (a bootloader?) missing.
Surely building a bootable CF card via the universal installer is the long way to go about this. (though I wouldn't mind if it actually worked)

pakt:
As the developer of the iso image, and the poster of the steps in using the universal installer, it would be interesting to have your views (and clarifications) on these issues...

Cheers,
Rob
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