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Litepup 2.13 - "Star Lite" (60.3 MB) now available
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Todd

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 13:39    Post subject:  Litepup 2.13 - "Star Lite" (60.3 MB) now available  

Litepup 2.13 comes with all drivers included. Litepup 2.13 comes with Dillo, AbiWord, and mtPaint. Litepup is the perfect build on which to create your own custom build. As always, Litepup can be found at:

http://www.toddrichardson.com/archive/

You will also Firefox-*.pup in my archive (if your are a fan of Firefox), or you can find Opera-*.pup in MU's archive at:

http://www.dotpups.de/dotpups/

Sincerely,

Todd Richardson

P.S.: I also find MU's Java dotpup a must. I then surf over to http://www.dr.dk/ to trigger the dowload of Flash. All of this, of coarse, after installing my Firefox dotpup.
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 14:10    Post subject:  

You can also copy the flash plugin from Seamonkey into Firefox and it will also work.
I think it's at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins in a standard Puppy, but I'm going by memory. You just put it in the plugins directory in the Firefox installation folder.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 18:54    Post subject: Thank you Todd  

I'm downloading lite pup as this is written - I really prefer to start with a basic setup and add to it rather than deal with extra stuff that I don't use or need. I'll probably add Firefox from your site and then wait and see what else I need dictates. Keep up the good work - many thanks for your efforts.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 22:46    Post subject: A small problem  

with Dillo when I tried to download Firefox from Todd's archive - kept getting an error and no download of Firefox or anything from the main puppy site. Finally had to reboot into Windows, do the download of the Firefox pup, move it to a USB key, then reboot into lite pup and install it from the key to get a capable browser.

Next priority is to find and install MUT as I prefer it to Pmount - then a good media player - I've used Xine in the past and can live with it if necessary but would prefer to try XMMS or another player. My needs are fairly simple - play and possibly rip CD's and play DVD's reliably -build play lists from music files in wma format already on the hard drive - ideas anyone? I'll need the whole package including all libraries - thats about it for now.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 23:34    Post subject:  

I don't know how this was created, if the packages list was corrected or not. If it was, you can use PupGet to install MUT. Otherwise, you can download the unleashed package of MUT and install it with PupGet's "Alien Package" function.
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pupget_packages-1/mut-29dec06.tar.gz

There are dotpups for XMMS on the forums, it supports playlists. I don't know if it can use wma files though.

There are also dotpups for MPlayer, which can play many types of video and audio, and also supports playlists, though not as nicely as XMMS.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 00:27    Post subject: Creation of Litepup  

Litepup was created using Unleashed, so PETget will be the easiest way to add all of the programs you have mentioned. Additionally, the new PETget has expanded dependency support. I haven't tried it, but PETget will either tell you or automatically download all of the libraries, etc. needed to run whatever program you are trying to install.

Todd

P.S.: Let me put in a pitch for RealPlayer. MU has created a dotpup for RealPlayer. Additionally, RealPlayer for Linux is based on the open source Helix media player.

P.S.S.: To be totally honest, MU's repository is just incredible. You should really take a gander at it. (MU's repository is found at http://www.dotpups.de/.)
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 00:43    Post subject:  

Another tool that I have found to be a must have is the following. (It is called undeb, but is an unrpm program as well.)
undeb.pup
Description 
pup

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Filename  undeb.pup 
Filesize  56.71 KB 
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 04:27    Post subject:  

I am posting from it now. Have added it to the Wikki news. Rather stange using the forum from dillo. I wonder if hv3 would be a better choice (may not be due to the size)?

One thing that surprised me as a difference between 2.13 and 2.13 lite is that in Star (2.13) there is no choice between xvesa and xorg - I think it goes straight into xorg or to xvesa if not possible. Your lite version offered a choice? Is there a reason (I preferred the original simplified Star system). If you did not change anything then I wonder what is happening?
I am glad you used the name Star Lite. I hope in future Dillo will point to a Lite home page. Something we have disciussed.

The convert to PDF is rather specialised and might be considered removable (to be added)

These are minor quibles on a sound effort.
WP, Text editor, paint, settings etc. all the basics are there.

Puppy can be overwhelming. So many options and programs. However by reducing this from 83MB to 60MB we have a working Barebones system. This is the ideal 2.13 Puppy to build from.

Good job Todd. Many thanks.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 06:36    Post subject:  

99% of the time I agree with M. Lob, indeed, had he not beaten me to the Forum, I might have said much the same as him on many occasions. Not this time, however. Although we should welcome Todd's efforts in a general sense, I am, as a complete ignoramus on the SW side, left wondering where we are with the plethora of branches now emerging. Barry gave those who are capable all the remastering tools they need - or, at least, the entree to so do. However, outside that ambit, with a couple of exceptions, we have not yet seen (or have we?) any earth-shattering additional innovations.
From my own viewpoint, I am not sure that reducing (the ever-increasing!) burden of an 84Mb distro, how ever desirable, competent, and fast, to 62Mb, leaving another 20Mb of apps to be added back again, really moves us forward significantly? Surely the ubiquitous credit card disc size of 50Mb remains one of the most desirable targets? Now, if Todd had innovated with a radical new algorithm capable of compressing the present compressed structure down to a basic 10Mb (OK, let's give him a bit more headroom, say 20Mb) there would be dancing in the proverbial?!
One is supposed to provide answers when raising criticism - sorry guys, vide supra. As a mere user, I see the options as either accepting Barry's choices and sticking with his selections plus a few .pet s, or going with Mark's MaxPup (please, Mark, no more Muppy - it really does sound appalling to a native English speaker, despite the attraction of carrying your initials!) approach in which the kitchen sink is bundled, catering for allcomers.
Sorry, Todd - hope you aren't too discouraged; as a consultant, I have had to learn to stand back a very long way, try to see the big picture and confront brutal truths in order to advance in the most rational manner. Not always the most popular guy in town, but usually get it right and the rent gets paid.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 09:00    Post subject: 1%
Subject description: more experimentation
 

Let us widen the perspective to find the missing 1% of the whole picture.

Anyone working on Puppy derivatives is experimenting and familiarising. If Barry, as has been indicated, takes a less active role at the end of the year, experienced project leaders able to compile, understand and provide Puppy are required. I support their efforts with what few skills I have . . .

So we have a pressing need for more puplets and more experimentation. Todds iso is an excellent basis from which to work and play with and Barry has encouraged him to maintain a Barebones Puppy (which he has kindly done). Grafpup expertise allowed Nathan to create Puppy 1.09CE (with help but the onus was on him)
That is one of only two Community Editions that have emerged. PuppyPro is still not out. Pizzapup has excellent innovations and a very pleasing style and feel and has come a long way from version 1 (still in Beta) Muppy is turning into something that like Puppy surprises with innovation - KDE and Gnome for example. It is big. MeanPup - could be out anytime, will be fast, 50MB and have (I hope) the excellent MurgaLua and some Opera goodness..

Thanks again to Todd and all our developers Smile

Meanwhile Sage, thanks to you, we might all be amused and not offended by this evaluation of consultants
http://daveola.com/Resume/Joke.html

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 09:08    Post subject:  

It certainly is hard to improve upon Barry's choices but all the other puplets out there sure make my life easier. Todd, your litepups keep an old p166 running nicely with very little else that I need to add to the basic apps and I'm REALLY thankful you are doing this, man. If the machine I'm using at the time is beyond ancient then onebone is the puplet I go for. So are these things really moving us forward significantly? I believe the litepups and onebones help the puppy community to keep from losing sight of the fact that indeed there are some truly old machines saved from the landfills in no small part because of your efforts.

FWIW, I also really like MU's muppy on my less aged computers and actually find it's name extremely amusing. Laughing

I hope my fellow users just keep plugging away and breeding huge and varied litters so everybody can find the puppy that is just right for them. The plethora of choices is one of the primary reasons I'm addicted to puppy. Thank you Barry and everybody who makes this happen for us.

peace,
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 09:20    Post subject:  

Indeed, you are correct, Lob. So the saying goes:
We should all WORK! If you can't work, then TEACH. If you can't teach, CONSULT. Seems like HMG has been having lots of problems getting people to work, recently.
My comments weren't intended to denigrate the wonderful efforts of folks smarter than me at this game (I tried to say something like that) but to ask some questions about where it's all going. Thanks for providing some answers.
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 12:45    Post subject:  

What I find discouraging is the limited array of browsers available for Linux. I am a dedicated user of Firefox, but I have found that it has a lot of flaws. As has been discussed in one of the forums, Dillo is not being actively devoped. Hv3, by it's authors own admission, is simply a "proof of concept" browser. Opera is the one bright light, but it is proprietary.

One the positive side, at least we have Mozilla and Opera.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 14:04    Post subject: Linux browsers  

There is also Flock (based on Firefox), Iceweasel (based on Firefox), SwiftFox (based on Firefox), Konqueror (KDE), Epithany (Gnome)

in fact . . .
http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm/en/lin_browser.html

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2007, 14:15    Post subject:  

Presently, I prefer Opera, despite being closed source. The dark horse is Konqueror, whose development has gone well, albeit unsung. It is available on the new Knoppix 5.1.1 along with Iceweasel.
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