Puppy Linux Discussion Forum Forum Index Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page : puppylinux.com
"THE" alternative forum : puppylinux.info
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The time now is Mon 24 Nov 2014, 11:34
All times are UTC - 4
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Cutting edge
Pizzapup 3.0 BETA 3, 2, & 1
Moderators: Flash, Ian, JohnMurga
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
Page 1 of 11 [158 Posts]   Goto page: 1, 2, 3, ..., 9, 10, 11 Next
Author Message
Pizzasgood


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 6270
Location: Knoxville, TN, USA

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 10:52    Post subject:  Pizzapup 3.0 BETA 3, 2, & 1  

NOTE: BETA-3 is now uploaded. Use that.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=92729#92729



pizzapup-3.0-beta.iso
MD5 Sum

NOTE: uses pza_save.3fs and pza_212.sfs. It is compatible with devx_212.sfs.


This is a beta. The features list is frozen, most are finished, and it looks nice. It's about 93 MB this time, but it includes gmplayer, some skins, alternate wallpapers, and some other stuff.

Highlights of Pizzapup 3.0: Encryption, Firefox 2.0.0.1, XDG menus, graphical improvements, (G)Mplayer, XMMS, Rox 2.5, and IceWM.

I can't remember all the changes I've made, and going over them in detail would be way to time-consuming. I'll just post the finished part of my to-do list and anything that needs explanation can be asked (the unfinished part consists of stuff like "bugtest", "fine-tune", etc.)

    + IceWM
    + several IceWM themes (not many though)
    + defaults changer
    + h3v (a13)
    + remove Dillo
    + Firefox 2.0
    + default bookmarks
    + Configure Firefox to zoom in on images and have the old tab settings
    + Rox 2.5
    + sync backgrounds
    + do a grepsed to change all instances of pup_save to pza_save
    + Use pza_xxx.sfs and pza_save.3fs
    + load encrypted save-files
    + option to use encryption on reboot
    + getdir
    + Gtklist04MU
    + MU-Gtktheme changer
    + nicer gtk themes
    + wizard for making new save-files (psuedo-multiuser)
    + wizard for encrypting/decrypting save-files
    + XMMS
    + XMMS skins
    + Mplayer
    + Remove Gxine
    + set runaction on audio (except midi) to defaultaudioplayer
    + set runaction on video to defaultvideoplayer
    + Flash for Firefox
    + Zmixer
    + remove xtmix
    + mod "bad restart" notice, use dialog instead
    + missingmod fix!!!!!!!!
    + remove auto-stuff in gaim
    + fix universal installer
    + fix remaster script
    + set up multiple folder colors
    + better colors in rxvt
    + Upgrade Geany to 0.10
    + Mplayer gui
    + SDL (gmplayer needed it)
    + Fix icewm themes
    + nice wallpaper
    + logo
    + more themes (not many more though)
    + XDG menu system
    + Add .desktop entries for apps
    + remove extra gtk-theme menu item
    + remove dillo menu item
    + Include 3DCC (no drivers though)
    + nice cursor
    + fix inkscapelite-gtk bug
    + gaim .desktop entry
    + nice icons
    + fix desktop icons



Issues I'm already aware of:
  • Some menu-entries have duplicates
  • Some menu-entries have the old icons that overwrote the nice ones I added because their package contained it instead of being in the root-skeleton package.


Potential areas of difficulty:
  • I think I took care of all the scripts that care about the pup_ -> pza_ change, but I may have missed one or made a typo.
  • I replaced many of the .xpm mini-icons with .png icons. So far everything seems hunky dory, but there could still be problems.
  • I changed the defaults in XMMS and Mplayer to use alsa rather than OSS, which allows multiple things to use the audio. So you can watch eight movies and listen to music at the same time. I don't know if that will cause problems with some cards or not. Let me know if you have problems.
  • I converted the menu-system to XDG, so there may be missing menu items. Let me know if you notice any.


If you find a bug, please compare it to the behavior of Puppy 2.12. General Puppy problems are better discussed in general areas, as more help will appear. If you know the fix to such a problem, feel free to submit it. Chances are that unless it's small it won't make it in this version, but I'll find room for it in the next one.

If you haven't read the thread for the alpha and want to know more about this version of Pizzapup, you might want to do that first. It has some information about how I changed the filenames and stuff. That way I won't have to repeat myself Wink
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=13896

Have fun!

_________________
Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib


Last edited by Pizzasgood on Fri 26 Jan 2007, 17:07; edited 5 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Pizzasgood


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 6270
Location: Knoxville, TN, USA

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 11:14    Post subject:  

Some not-so obvious features of this one that I should probably mention are as follows:

Right-click white-space in Rox window, got to options, then the types tab. There is a dropdown box to change icon-themes. I included different colors for the folder icons, so if you don't like orange there are alternatives.

I slightly improved the appearence of the Fbx and Gorilla IceWM themes, and improved the "snap-ability" of the Fbx one so it is only four pixels off rather than seven. Due to the nature of the theme and how IceWM handles it, I don't believe there is anything else I can do to improve that problem, and it only applies to the top border.

Both XMMS and Mplayer have a theme or three extra, though for XMMS it's mainly a color-change from orange text to blue.

There are a couple other wallpapers included in /usr/share/backgrounds, the default location for the wallpaper changer.

There is a variety of GTK themes. Some are the basic ones that come with Puppy, and others are some nicer ones using the fancy but slightly slower smooth-engine. It uses MU's theme-chooser.

The normal message when you do a hard-reboot has been modified to use a dialog instead, making it slightly more obvious how to get back in.

There is a save-file wizard that lets you encrypt, decrypt, and create new save-files from within Puppy.

There is a defaults-wizard that lets you change the default applications.

3DCC is included. You still need an internet connection to run it because I didn't include the many drivers you can use.

_________________
Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Lobster
Official Crustacean


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 15117
Location: Paradox Realm

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 12:01    Post subject:  



Smile Congratulations have added it to the wiki news

In your first post in this thread the wording says alpha (but it links OK to the beta) - you might like to edit as it is a little confusing . . .

Certainly a very good looking Puppy and therefore pleasing to use (based on the alpha)

I really look forward to Flash 9 for Linux (expected about March 2007)

Anyway I hope you gets lot of feedback (please everyone test and try - it might suit you just right)
I think a lot of people will appreciate your efforts - I notice you already have a free Pizza offer from Italy Smile

_________________
Puppy WIKI

Last edited by Lobster on Fri 05 Jan 2007, 14:05; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
MU


Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 13644
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 12:50    Post subject:  

Nice, I think it matches right in the middle of Puppy and Muppy.

Litepup and Murga-Puppy:
reduced in size as far as possible
Puppy:
optimized for older computers, 100% original
PizzaPup:
optimized for older computers, but including the most important addons for "luxury" usage.
Muppy and also Rudy: blown up Puppys with addons needed only by a limited amount of users with newer computers.

And in addition of course all those specialized versions like for education/grafics.

This encourages me in blowing up Muppy even a bit more (add KDE), as now with PizzaPup I have to take less care to serve also smaller computers..

Mark
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Lobster
Official Crustacean


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 15117
Location: Paradox Realm

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 12:58    Post subject:  

Cool

I am running it now Mark - the encryption - some people will LUV that Smile
It does feel very luxurious. Will the final release be based on 2.13? It has a very good feel to it. Highly recommended even at this Beta stage.

I would remind you of these HTML code pages (HTML is between "" and "")
using something like this as an offline page is very effective
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/IntroMenu
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/MainSoftware

Let me know if you need help with customisation

_________________
Puppy WIKI

Last edited by Lobster on Fri 05 Jan 2007, 14:58; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Rickrandom

Joined: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Location: Bedfordshire, UK

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 14:26    Post subject:  

Dumb question:

I've got a frugal install of 2.12 beta2 (along with some other Puppies), so have a zdrv_212.sfs file in my C: drive.

Do I need to use the zdrv file that came with the PizzaPup or can I just keep the original?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Pizzasgood


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 6270
Location: Knoxville, TN, USA

PostPosted: Fri 05 Jan 2007, 17:39    Post subject:  

I think the original should work. They should be identical, and if not, at least compatible with either.

Lob, thanks. I copied and pasted the alpha link to save typing, but forgot to change the part outside the URL. Rolling Eyes

No, 3.0 won't be based on 2.13. I wasn't expecting 2.13 for another week, and won't even download it until I get back to campus on Sunday, at the earliest. Version 3.1 will be based on whatever the current Puppy at that time is though. I don't know when I'll start work on that, as I need to take time out next week for starting new classes. I don't yet know how much free-time I'll have this semester compared to last semester.

MU, yes, that's what I was thinking. Stick it in the middle, with better looks and some more functionality, but under 100MB.


I forgot to mention that this has a different cursor (yellowdot). I had to add a couple small library files from the developer addon to make it work, and I omitted the changer because I only added the one cursor. It can be disabled or changed inside /root/.icons. The symlink "default" points to the cursor to use, so more can be added manually, or you can install MU's X-cursors packages. If you remove it, it should go back to the simple black one.

_________________
Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Rickrandom

Joined: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Location: Bedfordshire, UK

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 03:53    Post subject:  

I get :

Code:
error, cannot find Puppy on 'idehd' boot media,

PUPMODE=1 PDEV1=

Exited to initial-ramdisk (/dev/ram0) commandline...

(the Linux-guru can now debug, 'e3' editor is available)


or words to that effect, same when booting with either zdrv file. This seems to be at approximately the stage when it would usually ask which pup_save file I want to use.

Another thread suggested bad download/bad burn. I checked the download with md5 sum - OK, and then used isobuster (in Windows) to get the files so didn't even burn a CD, then edited the menu.lst file to add PizzaPup to the other pups I can boot. My new menu.lst entry was just a straight copy of the previous entries for 2.10, 2.2b and 2.13b, just editing the folder name. The boot parameters are unchanged.

Any suggestions? Could there be some confusion because there is an original 212 file alongside the pza_212.sfs file, or perhaps the pup_save files are confusing the issue.

My own suggestion is to stop being so mean with my money and go and buy some more blank CDs, but the shops aren't open yet.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Sit Heel Speak


Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2595
Location: downwind

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 04:00    Post subject:  

Perhaps a look at your menu.lst would reveal clues...
Last edited by Sit Heel Speak on Wed 10 Jan 2007, 20:42; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Rickrandom

Joined: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Location: Bedfordshire, UK

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 04:22    Post subject:
Subject description: Operator Error - boots now
 

Doh!

I was being a muppet. It was the upper case vs.lower case issue from a few months ago. I thought that was fixed, but changing the files to lower case resulted in it booting fine.

It looks very slick, but I couldn't immediately get the wireless working, so I'm back in 2.12b to post this. Then I'll have a closer look at PizzaPup. (BTW, is there some Freudian significance that I keep typing PizzaPub, notPizzaPup?)

Interestingly, the little yellow dot on the cursor is showing here in 2.12b along with a semi-transparent text insert cursor (don't know what to call it). I thought all the settings were isolated within one pup_save file. Is there some bleed / crosstalk from one to another? If so, this would be a bad thing.....

Edit: I've got the wireless working, so posting from PizzaPup now.

Last edited by Rickrandom on Sat 06 Jan 2007, 04:40; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Sit Heel Speak


Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2595
Location: downwind

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 04:38    Post subject:
Subject description: Operator Error - boots now
 

Rickrandom wrote:
Is there some bleed / crosstalk from one to another?
(edited --superfluous)
Last edited by Sit Heel Speak on Wed 10 Jan 2007, 20:49; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Rickrandom

Joined: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 195
Location: Bedfordshire, UK

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 06:57    Post subject:  

Curiouser and curiouser...

I'm in 2.12 after a power off, not just a reboot, and have the yellow dot pointer cursor and the shadowed semi-transparent "I" text insert cursor. When I click on a link (in Firefox) I get the old skinny solid black pointer and the wristwatch(?) timer while the link opens, then back to the yellow dot pointer.

If I boot 2.12 with no save file I get the old cursor.

I have booted 10 or so times this morning, to and fro between 2.12 with a save, 2.12 without a save, and PizzaPup, with warm reboots and full power off, and I have rather lost the plot, but I think I had PizzaPup with the 2.12 cursor at one stage!

I tried Muppy a few days ago, again a frugal install, and I have a feeling that there is some brief screen message with 2.12 just before X starts that says something about Muppy, but I may be misreading it in the moment it's on screen.

It might be that I've done something dumb (nothing new there) especially as I have so many files on my hard drive, and I've had to rename some to allow booting with different versions based on the same core, but I just don't know where to look or what to look for.

I don't want people to waste their time looking for a bug when it might all be my own stupid fault.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Sit Heel Speak


Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2595
Location: downwind

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 07:19    Post subject:  

Well, you can always apply Pizzasgood's simple fix, above, and see what happens.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Pizzasgood


Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 6270
Location: Knoxville, TN, USA

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 14:04    Post subject:  

Well, all I know is that I don't know much. I do have one idea. Puppy can load files that end in .sfs as extra modules, like it does with devx_xxx.sfs. I don't know what string it searches for, but if it's something like *<version>.sfs, it could be picking up the pza_212.sfs file. Rename pza_212.sfs to pza_212.sfs0 and see if it Puppy still does it.

Also, when in Puppy, try looking at /root/.icons. If there is a directory named default, then something similar to the above situation is happening. If there isn't, then something strange is going on.


I'm going to go do some experiments on my end to see what I can come up with.

_________________
Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website 
Sit Heel Speak


Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2595
Location: downwind

PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 14:21    Post subject:  

If I run Puppy 1.08r1, and then 2.13 (both being frugal installs to the first hard disk), then just before the 2.13 desktop comes up there is briefly flashed on-screen a degraded view of the 1.08r1 desktop--sometimes with so much visual static as to be almost unrecognizeable, sometimes replicated in four quadrants, et cetera. The only file the two distros share, AFAIK, is the swap file. I guess 2.13 at startup is reading display info from the swap file and is attempting to show it. Is it possible that Puppy is taking Rickrandom's cursor information from his swap space, assuming he has one?
Last edited by Sit Heel Speak on Wed 10 Jan 2007, 20:37; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 1 of 11 [158 Posts]   Goto page: 1, 2, 3, ..., 9, 10, 11 Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Advanced Topics » Cutting edge
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0978s ][ Queries: 11 (0.0045s) ][ GZIP on ]