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#46 Post by MU »

I will update my XP-installer this weekend, then it will be very easy to set up.
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#47 Post by zikarus »

Moin Mark,

could you please include the proposal of pakt on page 7 in the Muppy 004/005 thread (concerning the better detection of wireless keyboards and mouses) as default in your next release?

I quote pakt:

"I have suggested to Barry that the test be made on "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02" which, as far as I have been able to determine, is a more reliable way to detect a USB mouse.

If you would like to test this, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local0 and change line 191 from
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i --extended-regexp "mouse|trackball|netscroll|bt mini\-receiver"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"
to
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"

Don't forget to reboot after modifying the file or Puppy won't save the change to pup_save.3fs. After rebooting, your mouse (and keyboard) should be detected."

It did work and would be great to have out of the box....

BR
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#48 Post by MU »

ok, I'll add it to 007.
Thanks for the quick-instruction.
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#49 Post by primalphunk »

I have experienced a little quirky issue with icedock on both my full hd install and with the live cd. It is an intermittent issue in which sometimes the programs in icedock load normally into a single dock(slit?) and other times there is a seperate window and tab for each program launched in icedock.

The shadow option in styling blanks everything between the taskbars at the top and bottom of the screen. It leaves me with a cursor that I can still move around the screen with no ability to click on anything. I just restart x with ctrl-alt-backspace to return to a functional system. This happens with both the traditional linux hd install and the live cd.

I'm not sure if it makes any difference but I'm runny these 2 muppy installs on a 400 Mhz Celeron with 320 Meg of RAM.

peace,
James

PS - Thanks for your hard work on this puplet. Muppy is now my favorite larger puppy.

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#50 Post by tazoc »

I have experienced a little quirky issue with icedock on both my full hd install and with the live cd. It is an intermittent issue in which sometimes the programs in icedock load normally into a single dock(slit?) and other times there is a seperate window and tab for each program launched in icedock.
I installed (booted from Muppy006-212 CD, saved pup_save.3fs to HD at shutdown and then used Muppy Speed-Wizard) on a PIII-500 with 128 MB RAM for a friend last week and experienced the same intermittent issue. Happened often on first powerup boot to the desktop. Apart from that it was just peachy. Then I changed the last line of /root/.icewm/startup
sleep 4 && icedock &
to
sleep 6 && icedock & ...increasing the delay before starting icedock which seemed to help although I can't prove that was it. You could even try sleep 8 if 6 doesn't help. However, on my own PC I installed Mark's great new
:arrow: Icedock Wizard here as well as the service pack http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Muppy-006-212-servicepack.pup and noticed that line is removed, so if you haven't already you might try these first.

Mark and others may have more insight into this and the shadow issue. As much as I like the shadow effects of xcompmgr I know that it is experimental/buggy and I find myself turning it off more than on. It seems to work better when starting Puppy or other distros entirely in KDE instead of JWM or Icewm but everything is soooo slow in KDE with the effects enabled. Right now I prefer Muppy with Icewm and no shadows. The most reliable implementation of shadow effects I've seen is elive 17 'Revolution' which is still developmental but did run okay for me--what few times I've used it. But elive Revolution is not Puppy. It's debian based, has a much larger disc space requirement, works best as a full HD install and to me is not as snappy, flexible or user friendly as Muppy. Fast, attractive and lot's of 'bling' but more difficult to configure and get started with than Puppy.

:D I think Mark, Barry and all those contributing to Puppy have done a fantastic job. I like the new kernel driver zdrv_2xx.sfs strategy and Bitsream Vera TrueType fonts in puppy, unicode/language support improvements and countless enhancements in Muppy. I've been telling my friends about it. Thank you all, especially Mark.

To me, Muppy is like an early Christmas present! :wink:
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#51 Post by MU »

yes, the program for shadows has bugs.
On my system (Ati radeon 9250) with freedesktop-drivers it runs fine at first sight, but after a while the performance decreases.
Same on my notebook with savage-chip.

I already added some workarounds to the backgroundsetter to deal with problems regarding the background, but they might not work with every card.

If you use Rox1, you might encounter a strangely broken background with xcompmgr.
In that case try rox2, as it uses an own window to hide the root-window.
This is the same trick used by KDE.

You can switch rox with
setrox1
or
setrox2

But rox2 already is set by default in Muppy006, so if you still encounter erratic display, I cannot help.
It seems the development stopped, as now the developers of X focus on 3D-accellerated desktops with aiglx and the compiz windowmanager.
You would need xorg 7.1 and an accellerated graficscard, the list of supported cards is not so good yet.

#########################
Icedock
the new wizard starts it differently.
In Muppy, every dockapp was run by a script.
The wizard now uses the icedock-configurationfile /root/.Muppyicedock/icedock.rc instead, to load them (this file is created/modified by the wizard).
But even with this method, sometimes a dockapp is "overseen" and opens in an own window. I must restart it then.

I will add a desktop-icon in muppy 007 to restart the dock.
You can try that by dragging
/usr/local/Muppy-icedock/Muppy-icedock
on your desktop and click on it.

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#52 Post by MU »

this german thread reports a bug:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=13788

Muppy tries to get a IP by a dhcp-server (usually if you connect to a network or DSL-modem).

But in some cases, you must assign own settings with the network-wizard.

Those are not remembered after a reboot.

Solution:

delete these lines from /etc/rc.d/rc.muppy2:

Code: Select all

rm -f /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-*.pid
dhcpcd 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null &
I must write a bugfix that takes care of this issue.
Mark

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Mplayer Files for Video Feeds

#53 Post by jam »

Mark,

Promised you these files awhile back to get video feeds from websites working by default under Muppy and Firefox. You need to extract the attached file under the /usr/local/firefox/plugins directory. Also be sure to have all the latest Puppy Mplayer codecs installed via PSI and pupget as well as the latest verson of Firefox 2..0.0.1. Now, my only disclaimer is that this will not support video feeds from every website, but it is a step up from what Muppy offers by default. Try playing video from CNN and go to other of your favorite video sites and let me know if you experience any problems. One issue that I'm working on relates to Firefox shutting down once a CNN video has finished playing. Also trying to make this work for ALL sites, not just a select few.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! :D

UPDATE: When you look under Firefox' Edit--> Preferences --> Content --> File Type/Manage you should see a slew of media file type associations being displayed, which is your confirmation that your extract went well.
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#54 Post by pakt »

zikarus wrote:Moin Mark,

could you please include the proposal of pakt on page 7 in the Muppy 004/005 thread (concerning the better detection of wireless keyboards and mouses) as default in your next release?

I quote pakt:

"I have suggested to Barry that the test be made on "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02" which, as far as I have been able to determine, is a more reliable way to detect a USB mouse.

If you would like to test this, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local0 and change line 191 from
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i --extended-regexp "mouse|trackball|netscroll|bt mini\-receiver"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"
to
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"

Don't forget to reboot after modifying the file or Puppy won't save the change to pup_save.3fs. After rebooting, your mouse (and keyboard) should be detected."

It did work and would be great to have out of the box....
Thanks, zikarus, for pointing that out to Mark. Barry has put this (as well as "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=01" for USB keyboard detection) into 2.13b and both work well :)

@Mark: If you copy "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02" for the USB mouse (as well as the other line above) from this page to use in Muppy, detection will not work - this is because the forum text handler has removed a 'space' from the line :( There must be two spaces between the 'D' and ')'.

Easiest to just copy rc.local0 directly from 2.13b into Muppy ;)

Paul
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Re: Mplayer Files for Video Feeds

#55 Post by tempestuous »

jam and Mark,
a few months ago I went looking for good MPlayer/Firefox compatibility. I didn't keep detailed notes, but I remember that mplayerplugin was not successful with all media typees. Also, it's very large: 1.2MB when installed.

mozplugger (an updated version of plugger) won't play all media types either, but it's configurable, and using instructions from here http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10224 I modified its configuration file to make it compatible with streaming WindowsMedia and RealVideo.
Get mozplugger dotpup here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 2705#82705
The mozplugger plugin installs to the location which suits Puppy's Seamonkey, so for Firefox you will need to shift it from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ to /usr/local/firefox/plugins/
jam wrote:Also be sure to have all the latest Puppy Mplayer codecs installed
99% of streaming video on the web is WindowsMedia, RealVideo, or QuickTime. The MPlayer1.0RC1 version at Mark's site already includes the necessary codecs for these. So if you have this version of MPlayer, Codecpack will only add 20-30MB of files unnecessarily.

In an earlier post jam mentioned configuring Firefox to associate media file types with MPlayer. I suggest that this is not as good a solution as using a plugin, because a plugin (like mozplugger) will embed the video playback in the browser window, just as the webpage designer intended.

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#56 Post by MU »

with mozplugger I can see nothing, there are only some symbols displayed.

Mozilla-plugin works, but:
the video-driver must be set to x11, because with xv it crashes.
Seamonkey runs unstable, so it is important to put it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, not in /root/.mozilla/plugins.

It seems, Firefox 2.0.0.1 is required to run stable.

I made a dotpup, that replaces Muppys firefox with all these changes.
It will not use the plugin for .mpg or .wmv, as I personally prefer to see them in an external mplayer (looping fullscreen).
But now this plugin enables you to watch streaming videos at cnn.com and bbc.com.

Requires approx. 20 MB free diskspace.

http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... pgrade.pup (9 MB)

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Plugin Provided

#57 Post by jam »

Tempestuous,

The attachment I provided contains the version of the Mplayer plugin which runs the streaming video right from within the browser window and not via the Mplayer app outside the browser. I found I had to add the file associations and necessary codecs to get the plugin to work properly and supporting Windows/Real/Quicktime and other media types you mentioned. This may not be the best solution in the long run, but it works for now and at the very least provides some basic streaming support for some websites. One issue that causes Firefox to crash involved Flash-based sites that offer video streaming. Still trying to figure those out.

Mark: Forgot to mention that small detail regarding the use of the X11 driver! Good catch! :)
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#58 Post by tempestuous »

It seems there is no straightforward solution!
tempestuous wrote:99% of streaming video on the web is WindowsMedia, RealVideo, or QuickTime.
I'm wrong about this. Well, correct 12 months ago, but now I see there's a recent trend towards FlashVideo (.flv).
And I see here that people are trying to play FlashVideo with the FlashPlayer9 beta in Puppy http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11956

MPlayer supports FlashVideo with its ffmpeg library, but I suppose getting it to play FlashVideo from a web browser will take some tweaking of the various MPlayer plugins.

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#59 Post by Nevermore »

today i was trying to use my psi to add some programs
and seems it doesn't work again
it tried to connect to grafpup, but can't and then i get an empty list..
connects to all the other mirrors but still cannot get a list.
i wonder what happened..
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#60 Post by MU »

it seems grafpup is down.
I can press the keys "CTRL C" to interrupt trying to get the list from grafpup, then all others are downloaded and displayed.

You also might click on the "mirror" button, and revove grafpup there after the current mirrorlist was downloaded.

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#61 Post by Rickrandom »

Dumb questions, perhaps, but here goes:

I have a frugal install of 2.12 (beta), so there is a pup_212.sfs on my hard drive. Muppy 006, as I understand, is based on 2.12, and looking at the Muppy 006 CD I burnt, there is a pup_212.sfs file there, but obviously not the same thing.

I haven't booted Muppy on this laptop yet, just in case I mess something up. (I booted it on an older laptop, and the memory went into the red, I guess because the graphics use some (64MB?) of the 256MB, but not an issue because that isn't the machine I usually use.)

1. If I boot with the CD, doesn't Puppy look for a pup_212.sfs on the hard drive and use that instead of the one on the CD, for boot-up speed?

2. Is there any way I can do a frugal install and boot 2.12 or Muppy? I guess if I rename either pup_212.sfs file, it won't get found during boot-up, and it has to be in C:\. (I currently boot Win XP, Puppy 2.10, and Puppy2.12beta, via grub.)

3. Will Muppy use my existing pup_save file to get its settings, or do I need to copy things like wireless settings across?

4. Trying to boot the Muppy 006 CD on an old desktop (P600, 320MB) I got some kernel panic message (interrupt something). Has anyone else seen such an error, or is it likely to be some hardware fault? I suspect the latter because the machine won't run some Windows applications at the moment, but if there is some boot option that might help (pfix=ram didn't make any difference) I'll try it. I think the CD should be OK because it booted the old laptop OK.

5. How do I make the XORG/XVESA selection on a laptop, which has no numpad arrows?

Or shall I just wait for Muppy 007?

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#62 Post by MU »

1.)
It looks for mupp_212.sfs on your harddrive.
If that is not there, it offers top copy it there, also pup_212.sfs and zdrv_212.sfs, overwriting existing ones.

So you might backup those first.

If you cannot boot from a CD-drive, copy them in Windows or another Puppy.

2.)
after these 3 files were copied, also copy vmlinuz and initrd.gz, for example to c:\muppy006\

Then add them to grub.

3.)
yes, it uses your existing pup_save.3fs, but was not intended to do that.
Imortant would be:
a) make a backup first (!!!!!)
b) install this dotpup, best will be while still running your "old" puppy:
http://htb65.de/puppylinux/puppy-releas ... pgrade.pup
c) run Muppy from CD or frugal.

This might work, but I cannot guarantee it!

4.)
Kernelpanic:
no idea.
On my tests, I sometimes must use
puppy ide=nodma acpi=off

You could try more, like:
puppy ide=nodma acpi=off apm=off noapic nolapic nomce nosmp irqpoll usb-handoff

5.)
How do I make the XORG/XVESA selection on a laptop, which has no numpad arrows?
It seems you can use the "arrow-left" key, only "arrow-right" works wrong.
If not, go through xorgwizard, then skip the "test".
Exit it, and run xorgwizard again, now the keys seem to work, so you can choose xvesa.

6.)
Or shall I just wait for Muppy 007?
No.
As you see, all issues can be solved with 006.
I was quite ill the last days, when I wanted to use my free days to continue Muppy.
So now this throw me back, and the next version might take a month.

Please tell us, how it works for you :)

Mark

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Linux Specialists

#63 Post by jam »

Mark,

This is a bit off-topic, so my apologies, but I know you're monitoring this thread closely so I thought I'd pass along this job opportunity for the City of Munich, which is looking for Linux Specialists. You mentioned in a prior post you are working, but I thought I'd pass along the opportunity nonetheless. I can't read a word of it since it's written in German, but since you're the beneficiary, it only matters that you can read it:

http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/por/stel ... ot236.html

Background on the IBM/Linux deal:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... nich_x.htm

Hope you're feeling better! :)
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#64 Post by MU »

thanks, looks interesting :)

Yes, the pain is less intensive today, I only need a relatively small dose of medicaments.
Still too much to concentrate longer, but I can do some tests like compiling a new wine.

Happy new year :)
Mark

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Happy New Year!

#65 Post by jam »

Happy New Year to you too! Take care of yourself first and foremost - recovery/healing takes some time with some of these illnesses and your good health is the most important thing right now.

By the way...a bit of New Year's champagne can help with the pain! :wink:
Jam

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