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10 pc Cybercafe for 30ukp!!!!
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WhoDo


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Feb 2007, 21:49    Post subject: Re: MoodlePup as a folder on the server  

raffy wrote:
So this must be a moodle folder that the admin can put in the webserver (like /some/location/htdocs) and then installed from there? So the Xampp server must have been installed (not necessarily running) when placing the files in htdocs. After the server is started, browse to http://localhost/moodle and the install process should start automatically.

Yes, that's the folder that goes in the website root location of your webhost. When you open index.php the first time you access the site, it runs install.php to check if you have acceptable configuration details for your Apache, MySQL and PHP. Then it runs through the general configuration of Moodle before unpacking all of the resources and utilities, etc.

The whole process should take less than 30 minutes, but some are quicker than others! Razz
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007, 01:21    Post subject:  

From Digg - interesting article on a similar setup using Edubuntu on thin clients: http://inpics.net/isolemamba/
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007, 10:18    Post subject:  

ecomoney,

Just in case you hadn't already read this:

Building a 6 headed linux box:

http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html

- One computer
- Six Video cards
- Six Monitors
- Six keyboards
- Six mouses
- SIX USERS!

For a cybercafe you should definetivelly use a multiuser linux such as Mandriva so it requests password for each user (each "station" may have a predefined password and always start in a clean chrooted environment)

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007, 15:01    Post subject: Hi Rarsa  

Rarsa, this is VERY very cool! Thanks for posting this link.

Puppy, with its efficient hardware use, would make it possible to do this with even a modest specced PC. We would be interested in cybercafe setup like this one. Apparently it works with "any" linux distro? I can see some pitfalls with puppys peculiarities.

Firstly, it requires multi-user, Puppy just runs as root?

Secondly, it requires USB keyboards and mice. Would it be possible to rewire normal mice and keyboards to work as USB? I know with some new mice, they have a simple usb to ps/2 adaptor.

In the recycling trade, monitors are a big expense to get rid of, and frequently outlast their computers in terms of lifespan. Keyboards and mice are also very common compared with actual computers.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007, 16:41    Post subject: Re: Hi Rarsa  

ecomoney wrote:
Firstly, it requires multi-user, Puppy just runs as root?
Well I don't think it "requires" multi-user, it is just that you maynot want users you do not trust to have access as root.

It would be interesting to do the experiment with Puppy as a dual head in environments where being root really does not matter (A home with two children one computer, a couple sharing the same computer, two students in a single dorm room, etc)

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Would it be possible to rewire normal mice and keyboards to work as USB?
I have no clue but as they say... the only way to know for sure is to try it.

And I mean, you can even try it in a single headed computer.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007, 18:33    Post subject:  

HEY GUYS... I posted the exact same link previously!!! (gripe, gripe)

No multi user isn't really relevant, just need a patched kernel & the newer Xorg.

Yes I think PS2 to USB & USB to PS2 adapters are available, but...
the cost is probably the same as just buying a cheap USB keybd. or mouse.
You'll be seeing alot more USB eq. in the recycle as it's what newer PCs use.

Some video cards can run 2 "independant" monitors, not just 1 desktop, but 2.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Feb 2007, 07:00    Post subject:  

Here's a question for you.

I do voluntary gardening work at a local community centre (gets me away from computers for a while) which has a computer suite, and they have a problem with users, particularly young ones, accessing porn (which is not allowed there), downloading software which may contain viruses etc. They use Windows XP but feel the need to lock users out of a lot of the functions such as installing applications.

I don't suppose viruses are a problem with Puppy, but is it possible to install filters to stop users accessing certain sites, such as porn, hate sites etc.? Just out of interest, has this or a similar issue arisen in your CyberCafe?
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Feb 2007, 11:03    Post subject:  

the Win XP policies can be edited to control exactly what powers a particular kind of user has, and what he can access and not access, and what programs he can run or not be allowed to run

you can install a filter program, to block certain web sites and allow certain other web sites, and the filter can be setup to blobk web pages depending on whether it finds certain words in the web page ... but a filtering program is not perfect, and some good web pages will inevitable be blocked, and other bad web sites will get through the filter
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Feb 2007, 12:20    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
gets me away from computers for a while
I guess that it does not take too far away based on your question Smile

Colonel Panic wrote:
they have a problem with users, particularly young ones, accessing porn
There is no real solution other than supervision, either electronic (log usage) or physical (chaperoning), filter programs work for 8 year olds or younger, after that some will learn how to triangulate to get to blocked sites.

Colonel Panic wrote:
They use Windows XP but feel the need to lock users out of a lot of the functions such as installing applications.
This is definetivelly a most do. After my father got tired of cleaning his computer (and even paying up to $400 to recover lost data) I recommended to setup my brothers and nephews with non admin accounts. If they need something installed, they can ask him. I even advised him to normally run on a non admin account and just switch to the admin account when needed.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Feb 2007, 17:04    Post subject:  

Colonal Panic:
There is Squid Proxy which I was trying to make work on Puppy but wont work without another user in Puppy; it can't run as root. So we'll have to wait until I get the time to look at the source, or until 2.14.
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Feb 2007, 10:42    Post subject:  

Thanks for your replies above, and rarsa you're right; I normally get onto a computer at the centre during a break or when the weather turns bad Wink

It's one of the most glaring flaws on Windows XP IMO that you're expected to run as admin rather than as root on most applications, making it very easy to break and "infect."
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Feb 2007, 11:15    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic - try Major Geeks
http://www.majorgeeks.com/

Embarassed couldn't resist . . .

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Feb 2007, 14:27    Post subject:  

Thanks, I know the site well. Smile

I'm not sure I know enough to be a true geek though, I've basically picked things up as I've gone along and there's a lot to learn. Maybe I'm an apprentice geek instead Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Feb 2007, 15:22    Post subject:  

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but is it possible to install filters to stop users accessing certain sites

I dont know but I guess that if you added a list of banned sites to the hosts file it would work. I have a list of 16,789 sites in my servers hosts file that redirects to a local page saying I have blocked that site.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Feb 2007, 00:12    Post subject:  

Auda wrote:
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but is it possible to install filters to stop users accessing certain sites

I dont know but I guess that if you added a list of banned sites to the hosts file it would work. I have a list of 16,789 sites in my servers hosts file that redirects to a local page saying I have blocked that site.
Auda

Now I'm going to quote myself again Smile
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There is Squid Proxy which I was trying to make work on Puppy but wont work without another user in Puppy; it can't run as root. So we'll have to wait until I get the time to look at the source, or until 2.14.
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