This is interesting stuff. I have to say we dont get many computers 100/200mhz through the recycling side anymore here in the uk at least. It is mostly 500mhz to 1ghz mark. When support for 2000 drops and Vista comes out we expect the specs of the machines that people put in to recycle to rise considerably so that it is mostly 700mhz+ machines we put out. There are only so many machines that it is worth recycling with the size of the "market" (the voluntary community sector, and poorer individuals and families) and the time it takes to refurb them (about 40 mins apiece with cleaning and hardware troubleshooting as well as software installation) and the price the centre can sell them on at.
700mhz is a fine spec for puppy at its current level. Most apps people use regularly are available on openoffice and the other built in free puppy software. The odd faster computer does come our way that is capable of running the few windows apps that are still out there and are necessary in specialised environments. This would make for a lower overall cost, with hardware availibility taken into account. What would be the liciencing issues from using a setup where X clients could use windows apps, possibly simoultaniously.
10 pc Cybercafe for 30ukp!!!!
Intersting stuff
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Presumably it would depend on a particular licence, but many include phrases like "licensed to run on a single machine", so as long as the program is running on a single machine I think it would probably be okay. Would the situation with using X clients be very different to using VNC or RDP, or a remote user taking over the desktop of an XP machine? Microwhatsit allows or encourages those activities.What would be the liciencing issues from using a setup where X clients could use windows apps, possibly simoultaniously.
More pictures
Heres a few more pics of the centre and its regulars.
The Edupuppy "test pilot" core....
Light reading...and our slightly temperamental laser printer, configured through a netgear print server on a static IP from smoothwall. Clients connect via CUPS to print from openoffice 2 and other apps...
Myself and Victoria Miller (linux_chick on the forum), long suffering secretary of Ecomoney with the cafe mascot and most evil-looking stuffed tux ever (suggestions for names welcome!).
The Edupuppy "test pilot" core....
Light reading...and our slightly temperamental laser printer, configured through a netgear print server on a static IP from smoothwall. Clients connect via CUPS to print from openoffice 2 and other apps...
Myself and Victoria Miller (linux_chick on the forum), long suffering secretary of Ecomoney with the cafe mascot and most evil-looking stuffed tux ever (suggestions for names welcome!).
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A Cyber Cafe was one of the main intentions I had when I starting LanPuppy.
Unfortunately I don't have the community resources to be able to start one.
Here in the U.S.A. I'm not even sure a nonprofit arrangement could work,
maybe churches, community centers, homeless shelters (there's more all the time).
Congrats ecomoney for doing what I've thought about, but can't organize.
Unfortunately I don't have the community resources to be able to start one.
Here in the U.S.A. I'm not even sure a nonprofit arrangement could work,
maybe churches, community centers, homeless shelters (there's more all the time).
Congrats ecomoney for doing what I've thought about, but can't organize.
Teacher Laurita (Laury) Arca and colleagues at PGMNHS
Hey, ecomoney, you've got company!
This will add Teacher laury's achievement in this thread, the use of an elearning server driven by Puppy 1.08 and GrafPup LAMP at PGMNHS-Annex High School, Sta Cruz, Laguna, Philippines, August 2006. See the article
http://eminima.com/em/index.php?file=EM ... ioneer.htm
(will update this with all of teacher Laury's work)
Teacher Laury explains the 10-PC setup to her superiors in August 2006 (in the foreground is a student using the online course AGRI4):
A more recent picture of Laury (sitting), her superior, and the Puppy/GrafPup/LAMP server (a small Celeron 300 Mhz box):
Teachers Archie Condino and Merlen Sancha pose with the recently released MiniPup202R client and LampPup server CDs (the new LampPup is using Puppy 1.09CE and GrafPupLAMP):
The ISOs of the above setup are in http://bexa.org/pup
Note: To administer the learning management system (DokeOS), go to http://192.168.0.100/courses and login with user "admin" and password "eminima".
This will add Teacher laury's achievement in this thread, the use of an elearning server driven by Puppy 1.08 and GrafPup LAMP at PGMNHS-Annex High School, Sta Cruz, Laguna, Philippines, August 2006. See the article
http://eminima.com/em/index.php?file=EM ... ioneer.htm
(will update this with all of teacher Laury's work)
Teacher Laury explains the 10-PC setup to her superiors in August 2006 (in the foreground is a student using the online course AGRI4):
A more recent picture of Laury (sitting), her superior, and the Puppy/GrafPup/LAMP server (a small Celeron 300 Mhz box):
Teachers Archie Condino and Merlen Sancha pose with the recently released MiniPup202R client and LampPup server CDs (the new LampPup is using Puppy 1.09CE and GrafPupLAMP):
The ISOs of the above setup are in http://bexa.org/pup
Note: To administer the learning management system (DokeOS), go to http://192.168.0.100/courses and login with user "admin" and password "eminima".
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Well Done
Hi Raffy
Computer literacy will be as important as written literacy to the next generation and the students of this school look to have flying start. By using computers, learning becomes fun and it is easy to monitor the progress of each student. By using puppy and a remaster, the technical details of setting up a system like this can be done by an expert like yourself and the teachers can be left to their job...teaching! Well done for doing this and making the setup available online for others to use and learn from.
Ours is in a public community centre rather than a school, but we would like to have more of a focus on education. We would love to include a Lampp server to our setup to contain videos for learning that could be streamed to the client pc's, but until puppy can do dhcp internet connection sharing both in and out we must continue to use a dedicated smoothwall server which cannot be used for this as well, or add another pc to our setup. How have you included the Lampp server in your setup?
Sunburnt, please dont give up on your ambitions, in the USA, I hear there is more of a divide between rich and poor than than in the UK (it is a pretty big gap here too). This actually goes in our favour because it means there is even more access to good spec computers for free as some are able to afford the latest XP and Vista machines (let them lol), and just throw the "old" ones away. We are lucky in this respect.
It is just a matter of keeping your ears out to find out when computers are being thrown away and making the right contacts. Anything up to a 1ghz are being thrown away regularly here (I have been in touch with a few computer recyclers this side of the pond) and these make supurb puppy machines that run better and faster than the ones they are replaced with. Promise them a glowing mention on a website and that the IT division will be praised by their bosses for not only disposing of their own p.c.'s at no cost to themselves, but gaining credit to their company by contributing to a social project.
Next just go to a place that has public access like a shelter or a community centre and ask to volunteer your services. I asked several places before the Riddings Drop took us on, but dont let knockbacks discourage you. We have the strong possibility of a commercial project now others have actually seen the cafe in operation. We had basic internet access up at the cybercafe on the first day we were there. You have all of the tools at your disposal with puppy and smoothwall. All you need is a puppy cd, a screwdriver and the right contacts!!!!
Computer literacy will be as important as written literacy to the next generation and the students of this school look to have flying start. By using computers, learning becomes fun and it is easy to monitor the progress of each student. By using puppy and a remaster, the technical details of setting up a system like this can be done by an expert like yourself and the teachers can be left to their job...teaching! Well done for doing this and making the setup available online for others to use and learn from.
Ours is in a public community centre rather than a school, but we would like to have more of a focus on education. We would love to include a Lampp server to our setup to contain videos for learning that could be streamed to the client pc's, but until puppy can do dhcp internet connection sharing both in and out we must continue to use a dedicated smoothwall server which cannot be used for this as well, or add another pc to our setup. How have you included the Lampp server in your setup?
Sunburnt, please dont give up on your ambitions, in the USA, I hear there is more of a divide between rich and poor than than in the UK (it is a pretty big gap here too). This actually goes in our favour because it means there is even more access to good spec computers for free as some are able to afford the latest XP and Vista machines (let them lol), and just throw the "old" ones away. We are lucky in this respect.
It is just a matter of keeping your ears out to find out when computers are being thrown away and making the right contacts. Anything up to a 1ghz are being thrown away regularly here (I have been in touch with a few computer recyclers this side of the pond) and these make supurb puppy machines that run better and faster than the ones they are replaced with. Promise them a glowing mention on a website and that the IT division will be praised by their bosses for not only disposing of their own p.c.'s at no cost to themselves, but gaining credit to their company by contributing to a social project.
Next just go to a place that has public access like a shelter or a community centre and ask to volunteer your services. I asked several places before the Riddings Drop took us on, but dont let knockbacks discourage you. We have the strong possibility of a commercial project now others have actually seen the cafe in operation. We had basic internet access up at the cybercafe on the first day we were there. You have all of the tools at your disposal with puppy and smoothwall. All you need is a puppy cd, a screwdriver and the right contacts!!!!
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grafpuplamp
Including LAMP is easy - just get grafpuplamp from grafpup.com downloads. It installs easily in Puppy 1.09CE (Puppy 1.08 too). You can then add DokeOS - it is easy to install via the browser once expanded in the server root.
You must always check that file ownership in those folders are set to nobody. In console:*
chown -R nobody:nobody folder/
All new files will be added to pup001 automatically.
As MySQL tends to produce large files, look for one of the Apache with PHP builds by MU here in the forum.
* To avoid those hassles, just download and use the LampPup 1.09CE from http://bexa.org/pup (wait a few minutes, I checked and the download link is not yet there). The URL will be http://192.168.0.100/courses . Login as admin password eminima. Everything inside the website can be changed so I never beautified its splash page.
You must always check that file ownership in those folders are set to nobody. In console:*
chown -R nobody:nobody folder/
All new files will be added to pup001 automatically.
As MySQL tends to produce large files, look for one of the Apache with PHP builds by MU here in the forum.
* To avoid those hassles, just download and use the LampPup 1.09CE from http://bexa.org/pup (wait a few minutes, I checked and the download link is not yet there). The URL will be http://192.168.0.100/courses . Login as admin password eminima. Everything inside the website can be changed so I never beautified its splash page.
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The thread that runs & runs
Seems this thread just runs & runs. 
And quite right too! Interestingly, the story we ran on Ecomoney's cybercafé project has attracted more hits that most of our other stuff all put together!
But I am really intrigued by the idea of using Puppy c/w LAMPP. We've been playing with cheapo web servers for dishing up web-based applications on intranets for some time. But we've done it using Debian - which is not always as straightforward as it might be and it takes ages to install. And it really needs fairly chunky machines to run it well. But once its set up, we found that Debian based LAMPP hosts VLE's (virtual learning environments) such as Moodle very well indeed.
I read that Raffy has been doing a lot of work on Puppy/LAMPP and I wondered if any of you folks have actually used Puppy c/w Apache, PHP & SQL in a working educational environment yet? How well did it work? Were you able to install CMS's (like Joomla) & VLE's (such as Moodle) on it successfully? Have you encountered any major issues you'd like to tell us about?
Meantime very best wishes to you all. As others on this forum have already said, the work of Ecomoney, Raffy et al gives one renewed hope & optimism in an otherwise screwed-up world. Garf.
And quite right too! Interestingly, the story we ran on Ecomoney's cybercafé project has attracted more hits that most of our other stuff all put together!
But I am really intrigued by the idea of using Puppy c/w LAMPP. We've been playing with cheapo web servers for dishing up web-based applications on intranets for some time. But we've done it using Debian - which is not always as straightforward as it might be and it takes ages to install. And it really needs fairly chunky machines to run it well. But once its set up, we found that Debian based LAMPP hosts VLE's (virtual learning environments) such as Moodle very well indeed.
I read that Raffy has been doing a lot of work on Puppy/LAMPP and I wondered if any of you folks have actually used Puppy c/w Apache, PHP & SQL in a working educational environment yet? How well did it work? Were you able to install CMS's (like Joomla) & VLE's (such as Moodle) on it successfully? Have you encountered any major issues you'd like to tell us about?
Meantime very best wishes to you all. As others on this forum have already said, the work of Ecomoney, Raffy et al gives one renewed hope & optimism in an otherwise screwed-up world. Garf.
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[brag mode=on] Of course you do realise that Moodle is the product of another very smart West Australian? His name is Martin Dougiamas, and he has a PhD in Education, so he knows what is required of a LMS. He's also a really great guy. I'd be very surprised if Moodle didn't run on any LAMP platform, since that is what it was designed for. It is written mostly in PHP with extensive use of CSS for layout. [brag mode=off]Mr.Goose wrote:But once its set up, we found that Debian based LAMPP hosts VLE's (virtual learning environments) such as Moodle very well indeed.
Whew! That Aussie pride sure takes it out of ya!
Cheers
PS. For the uninitiated LAMP=Linux Apache MySQL PHP being the OS, Web Server, Database engine and Language supported.
Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?
Hi WhoDo,
Yes I am also a big fan. Indeed I'd class Dougiamas as a genius and Moodle is a truly inspired idea. You guys have every reason to feel very proud of him and his software...
http://www.deoss.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=7
Interestingly, The Open University has just adopted Moodle as its VLE of choice. OU is one of the biggest and most respected distance learning universities on the planet. But I thought Martin Dougiamas was actually still working on his PhD - though I'm probably way behind the times here. Anyway I'm really looking forward to testing Moodle on a suitably LAMPPed up Puppy. Seems that both at a philosophical and at a geographical level, Moodle & Puppy were kinda made for each other, wouldn't you say?
Best wishes, Garf
Yes I am also a big fan. Indeed I'd class Dougiamas as a genius and Moodle is a truly inspired idea. You guys have every reason to feel very proud of him and his software...
http://www.deoss.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=7
Interestingly, The Open University has just adopted Moodle as its VLE of choice. OU is one of the biggest and most respected distance learning universities on the planet. But I thought Martin Dougiamas was actually still working on his PhD - though I'm probably way behind the times here. Anyway I'm really looking forward to testing Moodle on a suitably LAMPPed up Puppy. Seems that both at a philosophical and at a geographical level, Moodle & Puppy were kinda made for each other, wouldn't you say?
Best wishes, Garf
Re: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?
Oh, yeah!Mr.Goose wrote:Seems that both at a philosophical and at a geographical level, Moodle & Puppy were kinda made for each other, wouldn't you say?
Here is another take on what's possible:
Hunter Trainers & Assessors Network
Of course that's still in Moodle 1.5.3 - still too busy to upgrade at the moment.
Cheers
Re: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?
@ WhoDo: Nice! Very nice indeed! Love the custom template. Yours per chance?WhoDo wrote:Here is another take on what's possible:
Hunter Trainers & Assessors Network
@ Ecomoney: Sorry mate, we seem to have hogged your thread!
Best wishes, Garf
Re: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?
Yes and no. Downloaded the base Forest template from moodle.org and modified to suit my taste. CSS menu is also partly mine, modified from one at Dynamic Drive CSS, but header is all mine of course. Glad you liked it!Mr.Goose wrote:@ WhoDo: Nice! Very nice indeed! Love the custom template. Yours per chance?
Cheers
Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?
@ WhoDo,
Perhaps we should chat by PM and give poor old Ecomoney back his thread!
Seems we may have some common ground here? What say you?
Best wishes, Garf
Perhaps we should chat by PM and give poor old Ecomoney back his thread!
Seems we may have some common ground here? What say you?
Best wishes, Garf
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Feel Free
Feel free! If only we had a networkable Llampp enabled puppy that could do dhcp internet connection sharing then the possibilities would be endless!!! Im sure someone will make something soon.......pleeeze!!!!
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@ Ecomoney: Hi Robert, what you doing up at almost 4 AM? Late night or early morning?
The possibilities of Moodle + Puppy are indeed most interesting. And it was great to stumble across another Moodle enthusiast too. And thanks for popping by at DEOSS.
Tell me, is Puppy + LAMPP with fixed IP available now? And is it stable?
I'm going to hit the sack now. Way past my bed time.
Best wishes. Garf
The possibilities of Moodle + Puppy are indeed most interesting. And it was great to stumble across another Moodle enthusiast too. And thanks for popping by at DEOSS.
Tell me, is Puppy + LAMPP with fixed IP available now? And is it stable?
I'm going to hit the sack now. Way past my bed time.
Best wishes. Garf
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phpinfo and requirements
You can answer that question by looking at phpinfo output of the LAMP server and comparing it with the requirements of your Moodle version.
grafpup.com has two LAMP versions, the bigger one is the more advanced. Am using the smaller build, and I added DokeOS 1.6.2 to it (that DokeOs version is quite old by this time, but very reliable).
Just grab Puppy 1.08r1 or Puppy 1.09CE and pupget the grafpup LAMP package, preferably in a hard disk install. (I put the small DokeOs on CD so that teachers can create content while keeping mobile - such as home and school: isn't early morning your most productive time? ).
Edit: Hmm, Whodo, you seem to be up to something - teachers will love you (more) if you release a MoodlePup!
grafpup.com has two LAMP versions, the bigger one is the more advanced. Am using the smaller build, and I added DokeOS 1.6.2 to it (that DokeOs version is quite old by this time, but very reliable).
Just grab Puppy 1.08r1 or Puppy 1.09CE and pupget the grafpup LAMP package, preferably in a hard disk install. (I put the small DokeOs on CD so that teachers can create content while keeping mobile - such as home and school: isn't early morning your most productive time?
).Edit: Hmm, Whodo, you seem to be up to something - teachers will love you (more) if you release a MoodlePup!
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Easy
Just got in from Work actually Mr Goose. Working with the Australians on a new phone system for puppy and the Cybercafe (gizmophone).
Setting up Xampp on puppy is easy, just follow the instructions here. Theres also a click and run installer here. Weve used it for local development of phpBB.
Setting up Xampp on puppy is easy, just follow the instructions here. Theres also a click and run installer here. Weve used it for local development of phpBB.
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