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10 pc Cybercafe for 30ukp!!!!
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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jan 2007, 18:02    Post subject: Intersting stuff  

This is interesting stuff. I have to say we dont get many computers 100/200mhz through the recycling side anymore here in the uk at least. It is mostly 500mhz to 1ghz mark. When support for 2000 drops and Vista comes out we expect the specs of the machines that people put in to recycle to rise considerably so that it is mostly 700mhz+ machines we put out. There are only so many machines that it is worth recycling with the size of the "market" (the voluntary community sector, and poorer individuals and families) and the time it takes to refurb them (about 40 mins apiece with cleaning and hardware troubleshooting as well as software installation) and the price the centre can sell them on at.

700mhz is a fine spec for puppy at its current level. Most apps people use regularly are available on openoffice and the other built in free puppy software. The odd faster computer does come our way that is capable of running the few windows apps that are still out there and are necessary in specialised environments. This would make for a lower overall cost, with hardware availibility taken into account. What would be the liciencing issues from using a setup where X clients could use windows apps, possibly simoultaniously.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jan 2007, 23:45    Post subject:  

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What would be the liciencing issues from using a setup where X clients could use windows apps, possibly simoultaniously.


Presumably it would depend on a particular licence, but many include phrases like "licensed to run on a single machine", so as long as the program is running on a single machine I think it would probably be okay. Would the situation with using X clients be very different to using VNC or RDP, or a remote user taking over the desktop of an XP machine? Microwhatsit allows or encourages those activities.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan 2007, 03:34    Post subject:  

BlackAdder; Actually Win95 would LANboot, but then M$ realized what they did & fixed it in 98.

VNC, X, RDP, & a web browser all make different computer platform desktops accessable to other platforms.
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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan 2007, 07:33    Post subject: More pictures  

Heres a few more pics of the centre and its regulars.

The Edupuppy "test pilot" core....




Light reading...and our slightly temperamental laser printer, configured through a netgear print server on a static IP from smoothwall. Clients connect via CUPS to print from openoffice 2 and other apps...



Myself and Victoria Miller (linux_chick on the forum), long suffering secretary of Ecomoney with the cafe mascot and most evil-looking stuffed tux ever (suggestions for names welcome!).


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 22:16    Post subject:  

A Cyber Cafe was one of the main intentions I had when I starting LanPuppy.
Unfortunately I don't have the community resources to be able to start one.
Here in the U.S.A. I'm not even sure a nonprofit arrangement could work,
maybe churches, community centers, homeless shelters (there's more all the time).

Congrats ecomoney for doing what I've thought about, but can't organize.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 23:47    Post subject: Teacher Laurita (Laury) Arca and colleagues at PGMNHS
Subject description: another achievement - elearning laboratory in August 2006
 

Hey, ecomoney, you've got company!

This will add Teacher laury's achievement in this thread, the use of an elearning server driven by Puppy 1.08 and GrafPup LAMP at PGMNHS-Annex High School, Sta Cruz, Laguna, Philippines, August 2006. See the article
http://eminima.com/em/index.php?file=EMinima%20Pioneer.htm
(will update this with all of teacher Laury's work)

Teacher Laury explains the 10-PC setup to her superiors in August 2006 (in the foreground is a student using the online course AGRI4):


A more recent picture of Laury (sitting), her superior, and the Puppy/GrafPup/LAMP server (a small Celeron 300 Mhz box):


Teachers Archie Condino and Merlen Sancha pose with the recently released MiniPup202R client and LampPup server CDs (the new LampPup is using Puppy 1.09CE and GrafPupLAMP):


The ISOs of the above setup are in http://bexa.org/pup

Note: To administer the learning management system (DokeOS), go to http://192.168.0.100/courses and login with user "admin" and password "eminima".

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 04:29    Post subject: Well Done  

Hi Raffy

Computer literacy will be as important as written literacy to the next generation and the students of this school look to have flying start. By using computers, learning becomes fun and it is easy to monitor the progress of each student. By using puppy and a remaster, the technical details of setting up a system like this can be done by an expert like yourself and the teachers can be left to their job...teaching! Well done for doing this and making the setup available online for others to use and learn from.

Ours is in a public community centre rather than a school, but we would like to have more of a focus on education. We would love to include a Lampp server to our setup to contain videos for learning that could be streamed to the client pc's, but until puppy can do dhcp internet connection sharing both in and out we must continue to use a dedicated smoothwall server which cannot be used for this as well, or add another pc to our setup. How have you included the Lampp server in your setup?

Sunburnt, please dont give up on your ambitions, in the USA, I hear there is more of a divide between rich and poor than than in the UK (it is a pretty big gap here too). This actually goes in our favour because it means there is even more access to good spec computers for free as some are able to afford the latest XP and Vista machines (let them lol), and just throw the "old" ones away. We are lucky in this respect.

It is just a matter of keeping your ears out to find out when computers are being thrown away and making the right contacts. Anything up to a 1ghz are being thrown away regularly here (I have been in touch with a few computer recyclers this side of the pond) and these make supurb puppy machines that run better and faster than the ones they are replaced with. Promise them a glowing mention on a website and that the IT division will be praised by their bosses for not only disposing of their own p.c.'s at no cost to themselves, but gaining credit to their company by contributing to a social project.

Next just go to a place that has public access like a shelter or a community centre and ask to volunteer your services. I asked several places before the Riddings Drop took us on, but dont let knockbacks discourage you. We have the strong possibility of a commercial project now others have actually seen the cafe in operation. We had basic internet access up at the cybercafe on the first day we were there. You have all of the tools at your disposal with puppy and smoothwall. All you need is a puppy cd, a screwdriver and the right contacts!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 04:44    Post subject: grafpuplamp  

Including LAMP is easy - just get grafpuplamp from grafpup.com downloads. It installs easily in Puppy 1.09CE (Puppy 1.08 too). You can then add DokeOS - it is easy to install via the browser once expanded in the server root.

You must always check that file ownership in those folders are set to nobody. In console:*

chown -R nobody:nobody folder/

All new files will be added to pup001 automatically.

As MySQL tends to produce large files, look for one of the Apache with PHP builds by MU here in the forum.

* To avoid those hassles, just download and use the LampPup 1.09CE from http://bexa.org/pup (wait a few minutes, I checked and the download link is not yet there). The URL will be http://192.168.0.100/courses . Login as admin password eminima. Everything inside the website can be changed so I never beautified its splash page. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 14:32    Post subject: The thread that runs & runs  

Seems this thread just runs & runs. Very Happy

And quite right too! Interestingly, the story we ran on Ecomoney's cybercafé project has attracted more hits that most of our other stuff all put together!

But I am really intrigued by the idea of using Puppy c/w LAMPP. We've been playing with cheapo web servers for dishing up web-based applications on intranets for some time. But we've done it using Debian - which is not always as straightforward as it might be and it takes ages to install. And it really needs fairly chunky machines to run it well. But once its set up, we found that Debian based LAMPP hosts VLE's (virtual learning environments) such as Moodle very well indeed.

I read that Raffy has been doing a lot of work on Puppy/LAMPP and I wondered if any of you folks have actually used Puppy c/w Apache, PHP & SQL in a working educational environment yet? How well did it work? Were you able to install CMS's (like Joomla) & VLE's (such as Moodle) on it successfully? Have you encountered any major issues you'd like to tell us about?

Meantime very best wishes to you all. As others on this forum have already said, the work of Ecomoney, Raffy et al gives one renewed hope & optimism in an otherwise screwed-up world. Garf.

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m1r0

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 16:05    Post subject:  

hi people,
i found link to this forum acidentaly today on some site.
seems finally i have found the right place to crash Smile
all of u doing wonderfull job here!!!keep it up!!!
will talk to u l8r.
rgds
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WhoDo


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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 18:51    Post subject: Re: The thread that runs & runs  

Mr.Goose wrote:
But once its set up, we found that Debian based LAMPP hosts VLE's (virtual learning environments) such as Moodle very well indeed.


[brag mode=on] Of course you do realise that Moodle is the product of another very smart West Australian? His name is Martin Dougiamas, and he has a PhD in Education, so he knows what is required of a LMS. He's also a really great guy. I'd be very surprised if Moodle didn't run on any LAMP platform, since that is what it was designed for. It is written mostly in PHP with extensive use of CSS for layout. [brag mode=off] Very Happy

Whew! That Aussie pride sure takes it out of ya! Razz

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PS. For the uninitiated LAMP=Linux Apache MySQL PHP being the OS, Web Server, Database engine and Language supported.
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 19:46    Post subject: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?  

Hi WhoDo,

Yes I am also a big fan. Indeed I'd class Dougiamas as a genius and Moodle is a truly inspired idea. You guys have every reason to feel very proud of him and his software...
http://www.deoss.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=7

Interestingly, The Open University has just adopted Moodle as its VLE of choice. OU is one of the biggest and most respected distance learning universities on the planet. But I thought Martin Dougiamas was actually still working on his PhD - though I'm probably way behind the times here. Anyway I'm really looking forward to testing Moodle on a suitably LAMPPed up Puppy. Seems that both at a philosophical and at a geographical level, Moodle & Puppy were kinda made for each other, wouldn't you say? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 20:27    Post subject: Re: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?  

Mr.Goose wrote:
Seems that both at a philosophical and at a geographical level, Moodle & Puppy were kinda made for each other, wouldn't you say? Very Happy

Oh, yeah! Wink

Here is another take on what's possible:

Hunter Trainers & Assessors Network

Of course that's still in Moodle 1.5.3 - still too busy to upgrade at the moment. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 21:01    Post subject: Re: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?  

WhoDo wrote:
Here is another take on what's possible:
Hunter Trainers & Assessors Network


@ WhoDo: Nice! Very nice indeed! Love the custom template. Yours per chance?

@ Ecomoney: Sorry mate, we seem to have hogged your thread!

Best wishes, Garf
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb 2007, 22:04    Post subject: Re: Moodle & Puppy - all LAMPPed up?  

Mr.Goose wrote:
@ WhoDo: Nice! Very nice indeed! Love the custom template. Yours per chance?

Yes and no. Downloaded the base Forest template from moodle.org and modified to suit my taste. CSS menu is also partly mine, modified from one at Dynamic Drive CSS, but header is all mine of course. Glad you liked it! Razz

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