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#16 Post by MU »

Tested Muppy 004 on my notebook at work.

No errors at all.
pup_save is created on hda1 (vfat).
The 2 .sfs copied by speedwizard are used, also OpenOffice.
Saving files in /mnt/home works.

Running from the liveCD, I could go immedeatly to the internet via network (dhcpd is run at startup in lifemode).

This PC has a huge Swap-partition, so no memory-problems could occur (it has 256 MB Ram only).

1 issue though:
I could create pup_save.3fs only, if I ran the LiveCD without the option to use all programs.
When I had chosen that, Muppy found no drive to save to.
Or was it because I had mounted hda1?
Must test again.

However, this result shows, that the basic concept in general works fine.
What we must find out, why on some PCs it acts so strange.

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#17 Post by Sage »

This is a very nice distro, Mark. Congratulations.

I ran 004 briefly last night from XVesa; everything seems to work.
However, it stopped at the word "shutdown" without switching off and I guess you haven't got around to the tray-opening thing, either?

As for scsi, the drives have looked and sounded (or not!) just like any other (IDE) for the last 5-6 years. I agree - don't spend any money just for testing. There must be tons of scsii scrap around. What I was suggesting was simply borrow the driver complement from DSL - everything scsi works for them and Jesse says they just loaded everything available. Probably they just got them from Klaus since they use his detection engine.

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#18 Post by pakt »

MU wrote:Paul, does it also happen, when you don't use the additional programs?
Mark, sorry to take so long in answering you but the forum was !*&% again...

I just have this problem on one machine and it makes no difference if I do or do not load all the programs. I have now been able to read the error message I get every time:

"Mount: Mounting ext3 on /ext3 failed: no such file or dir
Session not saved"

This is when I choose:
(X) hda1 Filesystem: vfat Size: 8002M Free: 1363M

As you see, the error message is crazy - "ext3 on /ext3" ??

Ok, just as control, I tested 2.11 "standard" on the same machine and - guess what - same error!! So it is not Muppy that is at fault :)

The partitions on that machine are:

hda1 vfat (gives the error message)
hda5 ntfs
hda6 vfat
hda7 swap
hda8 ext3 (pup_save.3fs in Muppy worked here)
hda9 ext3
hda10 ext3
hda11 ext3

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#19 Post by MU »

Sage, the CD ejects if you don't use the additional programs.
Using additional programs, Puppy seems to have problems to unmount mupp_211.sfs from the CD, if some processes using it are still running, so the CD will not eject.

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#20 Post by MU »

Paul,
"ext3 on /ext3"

I've read about that in the forum yesterday I think, but don't remember where.
Here or in the developerboard.

Will search when I'm home later.
Maybe there was posted a fix, I think Barry had replied something.

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#21 Post by pakt »

After searching the forum I saw that I had already reported this as a bug in "Puppy2" in February this year !!

See http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=6253

Barry acknowledged the error but I don't think it was ever resolved. At least not in that thread...
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#22 Post by pakt »

Ok, now I have tested 2.12beta on the problematic machine and I still get the bug "ext3 on /ext3" when I try to create pup_save.3fs on hda1 - so it has not been fixed...

If no one else has any ideas, I will try to find the bug tomorrow. I'm too tired to continue today.

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#23 Post by MU »

http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=6253

this is what I saw, it is your thread from february :roll:

ok, so we'll have to try to find a fix on our own.
I'm tired, too, maybe at weekend I'll have enough energy to search in the initscript /sbin/init in initrd.gz for the reason (that is a long script).

sleep well :)
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#24 Post by bobn9lvu »

MU wrote:Thanks Bob, but I actually won't buy pieces just for tests.
I had a SCSI harddisk years ago, and it was very loud, so I would not use such a thing in a current PC.
Meanwhile 1 Gigabyte USB-sticks cost less than 20 Euro, so I will not start to fiddle around with SCSI.
If someone tells me:
"add this and that module to Muppy as I got my stuff working with it", then ok, I would do it, but I won't start tests on my own. My todo-list is too long for that ;)

Mark
Who said "buy/sell" ??? :D

If someone would help with the shipping, I would donate stuff for the cause...
Like I said, it is older equipment, but very usable...
The only thing I see is that there are so many different makers of scsii controllers out there.
Wouldn't it be better to port/adapt some of the more common drivers for them???


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#25 Post by MU »

ok, feel free to send me a controller and disk, then I'll try it :)

I think the drivers are generic? Not dependent on different manufacturers? Not shure though...

Many thanks for supporting us with some test-hardware 8)
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#26 Post by Sage »

Tray-opening now works, but NOT shutdown!

scsi : apparently not - please see the discussion, Mark. I had wondered whether the pseudo-generic Adaptec ASPI drivers used in 'doze would provide a suitable approach, but, according to Jesse(?) - not. DSL simply dumps all the individual drivers into its d/b.
I would be inclined to avoid ISA scsi cards now, but not 50w systems ("fast scsi II") on PCI. Although I can run scsi off ISA with DSL!

Everybody says what a nice guy Hr Klaus is - maybe you could phone him? Probably has been down this track already?

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#27 Post by pakt »

Mark, I found the bug in rc.shutdown that caused my problem. :P

Here are the details: http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=77327#77327

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#28 Post by MU »

Thanks Paul :)
I updated the servicepack with that bugfix :)
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup

Sage:
However, it stopped at the word "shutdown" without switching off
Does it also happen with Puppy 2.11?
In the forum it often is recommended, to run Puppy then with the option
puppy acpi=off

Does that work?

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#29 Post by Sage »

Sometimes with some machines. This has been an on-going issue since the switch to 2.6 with series2 - no problems with series1.
Neither is there any consistency. I have used acpi=force/on/off and edited the rc.local as well as using these as 'cheat codes' at start up.
I think lots of folks have this issue, but assumed that you had sorted it out once and for all !!

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#30 Post by MU »

No, I added no new things to the shutdown-scripts, except:

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#Muppy
Mpdev=`grep PDEV1 /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE | sed -e "s/'$//" -e "s/^.*'//"`
eject /dev/$Mpdev
#Muppy end
This simply tries to eject the medium, where Muppy was booted from.
If it is a CD, it works (except the addon is mounted).
If it is a hdd it fails with an unimportant error-message of course.

So Muppy in general inherits all potential non-working issues from Puppy.
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#31 Post by GuestToo »

there is no way for any distro or kernel to solve the problem ... various bios'es and hardware have various bugs which you may have to deal with ... this may require using kernel boot options like:

apm=on/off/power-off
apci=on/off/force
noapm
noapci
noapic
nolapic
nomce

what could be done, is to bypass or replace the bios ... there are projects that are working on doing just that

and there is nothing that the bios does that could not be done by the kernel, or a pre-kernel ... BSD tends to mostly ignore the bios ... as long as the bios can get it started, it has it's own pre-kernel bios programs (written partly in Forth) that does most of the work of the bios ... for example:
http://freebios.sourceforge.net/
http://www.openbios.info/
http://www.linuxbios.org/

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#32 Post by Sage »

BIOS fiddling - now your talking my language. I can do all that stuff in my sleep. Got the utilities, too, so that all parameters can be intercepted! However....
It seems that different BIOS settings will be required for different OS? Why wasn't this a problem with the 2.4 kernel? It doesn't seem to happen with other distros?

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#33 Post by MU »

This weekend I'm away, we celebrate 20 year highschool-day.

So here a list of what I'll try to add in the following weeks:

Roadmap

1.) - Gnome:
- Add Planner. (done 005)
- remove mixer-applett that causes only a error-message. (not done, can't find the entry)
- I'll remove /usr/lib/mozilla, that currently points to firefox. (done 005)
Instead, semonkey will be in the Iso again.
Reason: Some of Puppys programs or dotpups might rely on seamonkey.
This also allows to include Gnomes very fast webbrowser Epiphany.
I might choose seamonkey 1.0.5 if it provides compatible libraries.

This is optional, Firefox will stay the "defaultbrowser" (must slightly modify some scripts maybe).

2.) Add Bluefish 1.0.7 and kompoZer HTML-editors. (bluefish done 005)

3.) add german files for Gnome and other apps. (gnome done 005)

4.) Modify the Gtk-Themechooser to use other folders like the Xfce-themes from Dougal. Add those. Dougal wrote me more suggestions, must have a closer look then.

5.) Add a small wizard to configure some options for Icewm-ultra.
I think of adding subfolders to the autostart-folder for the traybuttons and the dock-wmapplets.
Related:
This would allow to switch Gnome/Xfce-taskbar on the fly in a cleaner way. It makes no sense to keep the taskbar running when using Gnome. Gnome conflicts with icewmtray.

So a Gnome-starter (Desktop-icon) would: (partially done 005)
kill xfce
start Gnome
start all traybuttons

When gnome is closed:
start again the xfce-taskbar
start again icewmtray
start again the traybuttons from autostart/traybuttons

6.) Try to add a option to create a swapfile.
I made a quickcheck on a ntfs-drive, but that puppy.swp was not recognized.
A forum/Wiki-search showed, this is a common problem.
Not shure, if it can be solved.

7.) I was asked via PM to add a Faq.
I replied, I'd prefer to add more points to the Muppy-Toolbox instead.
Not shure yet, what to add there.

8.) The cups-installer could be already extracted in the Iso.

9.) Add a small grafical wizard for my script mkkde to build KDE.
This might take a while.

10.) Use Puppy 2.12 as base. (done 005)
This requires some more slight modifications of my build-script.
When this is done, I will post it.

11.) make it easier to share a folder with Windows XP in a network (need that at work).
I was not able to do that quickly, I'm a newbee to samba or nfs.
I need a wizard to click 2-3 buttons for that.
I think Gliezl once guided me in programming such a tool, must have a look at that again :lol:

12.) add Rox 2.5 with a quick-switch to flip between 1.2 and 2.5. (done 005)

13.) remove redundant/obsolete .desktop-files (=XDG-menu-entries) and add german translations in them.

14.) add nvidia-drivers to 3DCC. Received a Gt2 as donation today. Thanks Bob!

15.) Bob offered to send SCSI-hardware.
We need a donation to cover the postage (I think 10-15 US$).
If there is interest, that I try to add drivers to Muppy, please donate the porto, see http://dotpups.de for a paypal-button (**edit** donation solved, thanks snowdog!).
I can however not guarantee success!

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Not every point might be in the next iso already.
I plan the next to be released in 2-4 weeks.
The roadmap might be finished in 2 month.
Unless Puppy 2.12 is used, an uppdate for Muppy004 might be available to avoid you have to download 200 MB again.

Further suggestions are welcome.
Artie already wrote some via PM, I'll have a look again. Thanks Artie.
I prefer suggestions in the Forum in general, so that I find them again quicker, and so that others can comment them :)

Mark
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#34 Post by SnowDog »

re: >We need a donation to cover the postage (I think 10-15 US$).

Check your paypal account Mark.

I don't use scsi much myself, but I really appreciate all your efforts in other areas.

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