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Puppy Linux installation on Lenovo Ideapad 100s challenge.
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Linuminator

Joined: 29 Dec 2019
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2019, 17:25    Post subject:  Puppy Linux installation on Lenovo Ideapad 100s challenge.
Subject description: Cannot pass through the UEFI booting from USB.
 

Linux Newbe here.
Does anybody know how to create a bootable USB for Lenovo Ideapad 100s?

I know it could be done, my Intel Atom Ideapad currently runs on Lubuntu 18.04.

Long story short, after installation of bootable USB (be it Bionic Pup, Slacko et al.) and going through the motions of creating EFI/boot and inserting bootia32, the computer of course does not boot into Puppy installation menu (despite disable secure boot etc etc)

Any ideas? Has anybody jumped through the first hoop at all?

I've been searching the forums for the answers, of course, no success yet.
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B.K. Johnson

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2019, 19:39    Post subject:  

@Linuminator
Have you tried to change the device boot order in the BIOS? Either F1 or F2 or ?? I think should get you there.
You may also want to set Legacy boot in the BIOS. If you do, remember to press F12 when you reboot. Choose appropriately from the menu.

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bigpup


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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2019, 22:46    Post subject:  

How are you installing Puppy version to the USB flash drive?
Specific details???
How you did this is going to control what boot loader is on the USB flash drive.

For Puppy Linux versions.
Do not add anything to the USB yourself.
Just use the Puppy version iso file and some program designed to do installs to a USB flash drive.
That program will install the needed boot loader.

Installer programs:

UNetbootin to install to USB
(has Linux or Windows version)
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

universal-usb-installer
(runs in Linux)
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/

Rufus USB installer
(Runs in Windows)
https://rufus.akeo.ie/

This depends on the bios.
Go into the bios setup for the computer.
Look for a setting for disable secure boot and also one for enable legacy boot.
It may have only one or both.
You say you disabled secure boot.
Does it also have disable/enable legacy boot?
If yes.
Enable legacy boot.

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Geek3579

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2019, 03:20    Post subject:  

I have had good success with LXPUPSC64 19.6 onwards, booting on machines which only seem to want to boot UEFI, or only BIOS, or both.

Download the ISO, burn to USB to make a live USB using RUFUS in Windows. ( Or make a live CD in windows if you have a CD drive...still)

Run the live USB and use the Bootflash installer to make a second, persistent USB.

In the latest releases (19.9 +?) it just works without any fuss, and with minimal (confusing) input required from the user.

Of course, turn off Secure Boot, enable Legacy booting/CSM.
And for good measure, turn off Windows hibernation, quiet boot/fast boot.
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Linuminator

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jan 2020, 10:45    Post subject:  

Thank you all for replies.
Ideapad 100s is a specific Lenovo environment. For details of hoops one had to jump through when installing Lubuntu, please, see below.

https://everythingisamiracleblog.wordpress.com/2018/10/03/how-to-install-lubuntu-on-a-lenovo-ideapad-100s-11iby/

Having said that, I am really hell-bent on having any puppy distro installed on it, but simply have no idea where and how to start.
For example, when installing Lubuntu I had to create EFI/boot folders and insert bootia32.efi - it worked like magic.
But here, as far as Puppy is concerned, still no success.
Sad
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mjmikulcik

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 00:41    Post subject:  

I had a lenovo ideapad 100 15idy or something like that so I'm sure the solution should be pretty similar. I used Lick https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.3 I'm not sure which version i used but i think the latest one should be fine. Lick will install a version of Grub2 as a boot manager and will add a puppy distro to the list. Uefi caused no problems and I've ran slacko 6.3.2, fatdog, tahr, xenial and maybe a few others. That is if you're running from windows. If you want to dual boot an ubuntu version as well, I've only had success modifying the script ubuntu uses to generate the grub menu.

Sorry, i missed the part about you wanting a usb boot disk. Disregard what I've wrote. I have had problems with grub2 bootloader getting bypassed when you boot the pc with an unbootable usb inserted and i concluded that was something in the bios that reset it. I assume you've already set usb to be at the top of boot priority in the bios.
I honestly can't remember if I've booted puppy in this way. I think I've used easyOS and kali linux maybe. I know I've done it with others, but no one on the forum will have the exact answer unless you give the exact steps youve tried already. Answer bigpups questions. Hes helped a good number of us get started with puppy, and having a similar computer, i don't expect it to be too difficult. Good luck and forgive me for posting this when I'm tired
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Linuminator

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 06:15    Post subject:  

[quote="bigpup"]

How are you installing Puppy version to the USB flash drive?

Specific details???

Hi Bigpup,

I downloaded puppex uefi 64 amd version (.iso file) and unpacked it through unetbootin.
With regards to BIOS the live USB created in such a way does not recognise the stick at all.
BIOS has no legacy boot option.

From what I gather, Atom processor is causing problems on this machine, i.e. even when I installed Lubuntu I had to jump through several hoops (the link describing the process used to install lubuntu is below). It is not your usual process when you go through typical installation.

https://everythingisamiracleblog.wordpress.com/2018/10/03/how-to-install-lubuntu-on-a-lenovo-ideapad-100s-11iby/

Note that I pasted the link above above so that one could see that it’s the Ideapad 100s that Lenovo locked for end-users customisations, nevertheess, someone managed to find a way to reinstall lubuntu on it (following which I installed lubuntu on it, and write to you from).


If you have any other questions, please, fire away.

Thanks for the support, love you all guys.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 07:22    Post subject:  

How to do stuff in other Linux Operating Systems never works for Puppy Linux.
Well, very little works.
Puppy Linux is very different how it works.


Quote:
puppex uefi 64 amd version

That is not a normal official Puppy version.

How about trying Bionicpup64 8.0
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-bionic/bionicpup64/bionicpup64-8.0-uefi.iso

Unetbootin could be a problem with some computer UEFI bios.

Could try some other USB installer program.

Best if the USB partition is formatted fat32 and flagged boot.

In UEFI bios, secure boot disabled is basic need.

Quote:
BIOS has no legacy boot option.

See if it has a CSM enable option in the UEFI bios setup.
CSM now replaces legacy boot.

Specific, exact details, of what happens, is a big clue to what is wrong.
If Bionicpup64 8.0 does not boot.
Do exactly what?
See exactly what?

Note:
Have no other USB drives plugged in, when you try to boot with the Bionicpup one.

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Linuminator

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 09:35    Post subject:  

Thank you Bigpup!

I think the problem on this laptop was using Unetbootin. After switch-over to Etcher, bionicpup64 8.0. starts. No problem.

Another wall I am hitting now is when I try to install it onto my 32gb hard drive.
Using the installer gives me a message:

"UEFI is not supported. This is only useful if you want to install to a drive that will not be booted on this machine"

I have no clue how to install this distro and run from the hard drive.
Any ideas?

Thanks again for the hands-on support.
Warm regards.
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mjmikulcik

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 12:24    Post subject:  

This doesn't exactly answer the question about uefi. But i assume lubuntu generates its own grub menu from a script rather than a file. Most puppies are rather trivial to install manually. You unpack the iso on your hdd and in the grub menu you make an entry something like this where you set root to (hard drive, partition)
Quote:
menuentry "Puppy Tahr" {
set root=(hd0,1)
linux /tahr/vmlinuz psubdir=tahr pfix=fsck
initrd /tahr/initrd.gz
}


But if you want the puppy to dual boot with lubuntu, you have to modify the script lubuntu uses because the puppy bootloader at least in my case, never recognizes that lubuntu is installed. As for why it won't work using the installer, are you trying to full install or frugal install on the hdd? I'm surprised you're getting uefi problems in the os you're running, but when you get everything up and working you'll be glad you went to the effort. And also there's nothing wrong with having your puppy live in a usb because it would take a lot to fill it up, your whole desktop is portable on a stick and lots of users opt to do it that way. Heck my brother puts puppy on a cd and gets around with a minimal savefile...
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Linuminator

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 15:19    Post subject:  

Thanks for heads up.
I know it can be done.
Still struggling with hd installation - there are a couple of thread on the forum but so far, no luck...
I am not sure where to start...
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 15:30    Post subject:  

Linuminator wrote:
Thanks for heads up.
I know it can be done.
Still struggling with hd installation - there are a couple of thread on the forum but so far, no luck...
I am not sure where to start...


To do a manual frugal install.

Start with copying the contents of the ISO to a subdirectory of your lubuntu install.

Then find whatever file boots lubuntu. ideally menu.1st (legacy grub and grub4dos) or grub.cfg maybe.

Now it is just trial and error until you write the correct entry to boot puppy. Start with the suggestions above. If you aren't successful, come back and tell use what you used and what errors you got.
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Jan 2020, 19:50    Post subject:  

Quote:
"UEFI is not supported. This is only useful if you want to install to a drive that will not be booted on this machine"

You probably tried to install using the Puppy Universal Installer.
It can not setup a boot loader for UEFI bios computers.

The big question is what operating system (OS) do you want on the hard drive?
Only Bionicpup?
Also some other OS?
Also some form of Windows OS?

There are other installers to use, but first need answer to above question.

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Linuminator

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jan 2020, 05:53    Post subject:  

Thnaks Bigpup,

Bionic Pup 8.0 x64 as the main system would be fantastic.
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mjmikulcik

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jan 2020, 13:11    Post subject:  

Did you succeed in installing it or are you waiting on someone to tell you how?
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