Fresh install of Puppy Linux 8.0 64-bit on an MSI X610 laptop connected to an external display (4k TV) via HDMI: when Puppy boots, everything is fine, eg. the drive icons are lined up along the bottom of the laptop's display. However, if they have to be redrawn (eg. Exit->Restart graphical server), they disappear off the laptop's display (and the error message "Error loading backdrop image: (etc)" is displayed). The background image looks contorted both on the laptop display and the external display.
The only way to "resolve" the problem is to disconnect the external display and run "Exit->Restart graphical server" again - this sorts out the problem with both the background image and the drive icons on the laptop display, but you still get the error message "Error loading backdrop image: (etc)"
This does not seem to happen with Puppy 7.5 x64 or Puppy 5.7.0 x32.
Puppy 8.0 gets confused when external display connected
Puppy 8.0 gets confused when external display connected
Last edited by 3guesses on Tue 31 Dec 2019, 16:54, edited 1 time in total.
On desktop is Quickpet icon
First run Quickpet->Info->Bionicpup updates
Reboot computer to make sure the updates get saved and are now being used.
menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Any help?
First run Quickpet->Info->Bionicpup updates
Reboot computer to make sure the updates get saved and are now being used.
menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Any help?
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
We really need the exact specific name of the Puppy version.Fresh install of Puppy Linux 8.0 64-bit
I assumed you are talking about Bionicpup64 8.0
Same with this:
Puppy is not a named version of Puppy Linux.This does not seem to happen with Puppy 7.5 x64 or Puppy 5.7.0 x32.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Sorry, the versions to which I have referred are as follows:bigpup wrote:We really need the exact specific name of the Puppy version.Fresh install of Puppy Linux 8.0 64-bit
I assumed you are talking about Bionicpup64 8.0
Same with this:Puppy is not a named version of Puppy Linux.This does not seem to happen with Puppy 7.5 x64 or Puppy 5.7.0 x32.
Puppy 5.7.0 = slacko-5_7_0-PAE.iso
Puppy 6.0 x32 = tahr-6_0-CE_PAE.iso
Puppy 7.5 x64 = xenialpup64-7_5-uefi.iso
Puppy 8.0 x64 = bionicpup64-8_0-uefi.iso
I'll do the updates you previously suggested and get back to you with the results.
OK, so I have performed the updates: no improvement.bigpup wrote:On desktop is Quickpet icon
First run Quickpet->Info->Bionicpup updates
Reboot computer to make sure the updates get saved and are now being used.
menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Any help?
menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings is set at "Show the same screen on both laptop LCD and external monitor".
What I have noticed is that when the display goes wrong, I can't move the mouse pointer beyond the top, left, and bottom boundaries of the laptop screen, but I seem to be able to move it far past the screen's right boundary. If I switch my TV to the HDMI input, I can see that what Puppy has done is to place the external display to the right of my laptop's display (still no sign of the drive icons, though), stretching the wallpaper horizontally in the process. Clearly this is not what it should be doing if both displays are set to show the same screen. If I change the setting to "Place external monitor to the right" and apply it, everything stays the same. If I then change it back to "Show the same" and apply it the display problem is corrected on the external monitor - but only for ~10 seconds! - but not on the laptop's display.
Puppy 8.0 is getting very confused about something...
menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Is each monitor correctly set for its native resolution?
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Is each monitor correctly set for its native resolution?
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
No, I haven't set up the external monitor - but I shouldn't need to (this problem does not occur with earlier Puppys), and in any case Puppy is ignoring the fact that the configuration is set to "display same on each monitor" and is treating the external monitor as an extension (to the right) of the laptop's monitor. A bug has clearly been introduced since 7.5...bigpup wrote:menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Is each monitor correctly set for its native resolution?
If you are not going to try suggested fixes.No, I haven't set up the external monitor
Good Luck!
Sorry, you seem to think Puppy works now the way it did in the past(this problem does not occur with earlier Puppys)
No way there may be new programs used to provide different operations
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
But that's not a fix. It's at best a workaround (assuming it works).bigpup wrote:If you are not going to try suggested fixes.No, I haven't set up the external monitor
Good Luck!
No, 8.0 is NOT working in the same way as earlier versions. That's the point. But yes, there has clearly been a code change. Which has clearly introduced a bug. I thought this was the Bugs ( Submit bugs ) forum???bigpup wrote:Sorry, you seem to think Puppy works now the way it did in the past(this problem does not occur with earlier Puppys)
No way there may be new programs used to provide different operations
BTW have you changed the title of this thread? Because this is only an issue with Bionic Puppy 8.0 (x64) not "Various Puppies".
Flash is the only one that can change topic titles.
You should be able to change it back, to whatever you want, by editing the subject, in the first post.
That first post you control and it provides the title of the topic.
You should be able to change it back, to whatever you want, by editing the subject, in the first post.
That first post you control and it provides the title of the topic.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
to help troubleshoot.
3guesses;
you might try comparing the active /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
file form a distro that does not have the issues
with a copy of one from Bionicpup...
I know puppies have some degree of magic for configuring
the X desktops depending on HW detected at boot. (just peek into
xorgwizard for a heart attack) and changes to happen between
versions...
Also, compare the /tmp/xerrs.log on both distros to try to spot the issue.
2cents..
gc
you might try comparing the active /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
file form a distro that does not have the issues
with a copy of one from Bionicpup...
I know puppies have some degree of magic for configuring
the X desktops depending on HW detected at boot. (just peek into
xorgwizard for a heart attack) and changes to happen between
versions...
Also, compare the /tmp/xerrs.log on both distros to try to spot the issue.
2cents..
gc
Re: to help troubleshoot.
Thanks for that, I'll give it a go when I get a chancegcav wrote:3guesses;
you might try comparing the active /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
file form a distro that does not have the issues
with a copy of one from Bionicpup...
I know puppies have some degree of magic for configuring
the X desktops depending on HW detected at boot. (just peek into
xorgwizard for a heart attack) and changes to happen between
versions...
Also, compare the /tmp/xerrs.log on both distros to try to spot the issue.
2cents..
gc
Further update: this (Bionic Puppy 8.0 x64) problem also occurs on an Asus X102BA notebook, whether connected to an external display by VGA or HDMI.
Another problem I have discovered (on the Asus) is that if you boot into Bionic Puppy 8.0 x64, then connect the external (VGA) display, then go to Menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings->Advanced, enable the VGA display and click Apply, the VGA display is activated for ~15 seconds and then reverts to just the notebook's display (even if you click on Save), so I'm guessing there is supposed to be a dialogue asking confirmation to keep the new setting - which never appears. I'm also guessing this is the cause of the problem I reported in post http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 84#1045584
Another problem I have discovered (on the Asus) is that if you boot into Bionic Puppy 8.0 x64, then connect the external (VGA) display, then go to Menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings->Advanced, enable the VGA display and click Apply, the VGA display is activated for ~15 seconds and then reverts to just the notebook's display (even if you click on Save), so I'm guessing there is supposed to be a dialogue asking confirmation to keep the new setting - which never appears. I'm also guessing this is the cause of the problem I reported in post http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 84#1045584
Thanks
I had a similar issues, and following these steps seems to solve my issues. Thanksbigpup wrote:On desktop is Quickpet icon
First run Quickpet->Info->Bionicpup updates
Reboot computer to make sure the updates get saved and are now being used.
menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings
Setup each monitor to correct settings for each.
Any help?
I am now pretty convinced this is because a confirmation dialogue never appears - possibly because it is "being shown" on the display that has just been disabled...3guesses wrote:Another problem I have discovered (on the Asus) is that if you boot into Bionic Puppy 8.0 x64, then connect the external (VGA) display, then go to Menu->System->Multiple Monitors Settings->Advanced, enable the VGA display and click Apply, the VGA display is activated for ~15 seconds and then reverts to just the notebook's display (even if you click on Save), so I'm guessing there is supposed to be a dialogue asking confirmation to keep the new setting - which never appears. I'm also guessing this is the cause of the problem I reported in post http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 84#1045584