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Which new Puppy for my Dell Latitude E6510 laptop?
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 00:44    Post subject:  

One specific version of Puppy Linux will not support every possible computer Shocked
Never has and never will!!

That has always been why there are several Puppy versions to choose from.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 02:42    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
@ Nic:-

In all honesty, I only have a couple of the newest Pups on this 15-yr old Compaq to 'keep a weather eye' on developments. Yes, it's 64-bit, but it's extremely early, first-gen silicon. Despite being a 64-bit dual-core, your average Atom would, IMHO, run rings round it and trip it up at every opportunity.....

Even so, it's built like a brick outhouse, and is as reliable as they come. And many of the older 5- & 6-series Pups absolutely fly on here, in addition to doing everything I want from them. Which is why I run so many of them.

However, you know I'm not concerned about space & size.....and you know all about the size of my save-files! Laughing Laughing


Mike. Very Happy

My laptop is 13 years old. There is a notable deterioration in performance using Puppies newer than Puppy 6 series. It's not bad but one notice the "heaviness". As for size - why should I use an operating system on my machine which is twice as big, does not offer more functionality and has worse performance? Does not make sense to me.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 02:48    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
One specific version of Puppy Linux will not support every possible computer Shocked
Never has and never will!!

That has always been why there are several Puppy versions to choose from.

Does the latest Puppy support the very latest machines, hardware and software?

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 02:57    Post subject:  

BTW, Mike. I know you have experimented quite a bit with regards to upgrading glibc in older Puppy's. What is the impact of these upgrades in terms of performance?
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 05:24    Post subject:  

I guess another option is the fact Puppies allow kernel swapping so using an older kernel can be an option if you want the newer glibc and programs. This worked for me.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 07:42    Post subject:  

nic007 wrote:
bigpup wrote:
One specific version of Puppy Linux will not support every possible computer Shocked
Never has and never will!!

That has always been why there are several Puppy versions to choose from.

Does the latest Puppy support the very latest machines, hardware and software?


hi nic007,

yes they do. some examples ....
bionicpup and dpupbuster see my nvme M2 SSD where as xenialpup and before don't. also tahrpup can't even format older sata SSDs.
nouveau will also run a 4k monitor at 4k resolution in bionic and dpupbuster where as xenial can only run it at 1080p.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 07:45    Post subject:  

You can also try X-Slacko Slim and TazPuppy
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 09:06    Post subject:  

@ nic007:-

nic007 wrote:
BTW, Mike. I know you have experimented quite a bit with regards to upgrading glibc in older Puppy's. What is the impact of these upgrades in terms of performance?


Um. TBH, I can't say as I've ever actually measured it (how would you measure system reaction times in the milliseconds?) Subjectively; I would estimate it's probably about the same. Maybe a touch slower, but you'd have to be a total performance 'freak' to worry about it; in real, day-to-day usage, it's honestly not noticeable.

Of course, in Puppy's case, you can't bring install method into it. It doesn't matter whether you're running from USB, or internal SSD.....that only affects boot times. Every Puppy, on any given system, will run as fast as the system's RAM 'timing' will allow it to. As stated on the Forum, so many times over the years, your RAM is indeed the most critical component as far as Pup's concerned. Your CPU, of course, runs it a close second.

These two between them determine not only how well Pup will run, but also how fast she'll romp along.....


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2019, 10:25    Post subject:  

mistfire wrote:
You can also try X-Slacko Slim and TazPuppy


Thanks for these suggestions. I need to invest in some flash drives so I can keep things straight. I would be nice to just pop in a different pup at random.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Dec 2019, 08:09    Post subject:  

Put them all on one USB flash drive as frugal installs.
Then install a boot loader to the flash drive with a menu listing all of them.
I do it using Grub4dos as the boot loader.
You can install all of of them first. Then run Grub4dos config or run Grub4dos config after each install, to update the menu.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Dec 2019, 10:36    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Put them all on one USB flash drive as frugal installs.
Then install a boot loader to the flash drive with a menu listing all of them.
I do it using Grub4dos as the boot loader.
You can install all of of them first. Then run Grub4dos config or run Grub4dos config after each install, to update the menu.


Good idea. I never thought of using Grub on a flash drive. I have used it on all my computers until I put Lick on this one. I cant believe how fast and easy Lick is.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2019, 02:06    Post subject:  

For the record, I tried Bionic but it could not find my wireless router. Deleted. I could not find an ISO for Precise that worked. I ended up with xenial 64 and SC64 Slackware Current puppy. Xenial is an old reliable for me. It just works. SC64, I just installed and so far it is super. Very fast. It may be my new favorite. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2019, 03:00    Post subject:  

Bionicpup64 8.0 is missing a few support files for some WIFI adapters.
Quickpet->Info->Bionicpup updates will install some of the missing files and update Quickpet->Drivers, so others are listed for download and install.

You do not say what the wireless adapter is, but this may be what is needed.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Dec 2019, 10:21    Post subject:  

I am going to stick with SC 64 for now. Why is it so fast ?
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