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marcelocripe

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2020, 09:17    Post subject: Re: BusterDog + build system (no-systemd)
Subject description: 32 and 64 bit ISO's and 'mklive-buster' build-kit
 

fredx181 wrote:
*** BusterDog + build system *** (updated 2019-12-29)

See Here for a Buster-Live build system.

Based on the Debian 'Buster' branch but without systemd.
It's using special method (taken from AntiX) to avoid systemd by replacing systemd with 'elogind'.
(and some more, e.g. libsystemd replaced by libelogind), more background info Here

EDIT: For how to boot BusterDog with systemd, see here:http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1041071#1041071

Download: 32 and 64 bit ISO's (updated 2019-12-29), see Here, boot options (grub4dos): Examples-boot-codes.txt

DEVX and Firmware squashfs modules: Here

Custom repository: 32-bit 64-bit

Login details:
root with password root
puppy with password puppy

Specifications:
Built from scratch by using debootstrap and remastered afterwards.
Kernel: 4.19.0-6 (the kernel is separate module)
Choice of Boot Methods: porteus-boot and live-boot v3 (see for options: Examples-boot-codes.txt)
(EDIT: See post #4 for how to boot with older kernel 3.16 if possibly your hardware is too old for booting v4.19)
Default WM - OpenBox, with Desktop choices (run ‘Desktop Manager’ to choose):
- Tint2 panels
- PcmanFM providing the Desktop and lxpanel
- Tint2 bottom panel and rox-pinboard providing the Desktop
Option to switch to JWM window-manager
Default File Manager - PcmanFM with option to use rox.
Default Internet Browser - Palemoon.
See info and links about possible Palemoon issues (on some machines with Intel graphics) here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=1018771#1018771

Thanks very much to everyone who has been involved with DebianDog, specially Toni (saintless), William (mcewanw), Terry (sunburnt), dancytron, belham2, rcrsn51, wiak, jd7654, backi, AndresC2, peebee and all who helped by giving feedback on the DebianDog threads.

Screenshots:

Openbox tint2 panels

Openbox with PcmanFM and lxpanel:

JWM



Hello fredx181 and colleagues from the forum,

I searched for information on https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/, https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/zz03busterdog.html, http://wikka.puppylinux.com/DebianDog, http: // murga-linux.com/ and I did not find the doubts answered.


1 - What is the minimum hardware specification (Processor and RAM) and what is recommended for running BusterDog in graphical mode (this information is not available on the website)?

2 - The operating system contained in the ISOs (https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/blob/master/README.md#busterdog--build-system) are translated into Portuguese from Portugal or Portuguese from Brazil (this information does not available on the website)?

3 - I haven't found information about which programs are available in the ISOs BusterDog-openbox_jwm-2019-12-29_32-bit.iso and BusterDog-openbox_jwm-2019-12-29_64-bit.iso?

4 - Yesterday I tried to download the ISOs using a download manager, but both failed with about 95% of the download.

The main objective is to reuse donated or discarded computers / notebooks that have about 512MB up to 2 GB of RAM with DDR1 or DDR2 technology and Intel processors: Pentium 4, Celeron, Atom and AMD processors: Athlon, Duron and etc.

I already thank anyone who can help me answering my questions.

marcelocripe

Original text in Brazilian Portuguese, translated into English by Google translator.

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Fred


Olá fredx181 e colegas do fórum,

Eu procurei informações nos sites https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/, https://debiandog.github.io/doglinux/zz03busterdog.html, http://wikka.puppylinux.com/DebianDog, http://murga-linux.com/ e não encontrei repostas as minhas dúvidas.


1 - Qual é a especificação mínima de hardware (Processador e Memória RAM) e qual é a recomendada para rodar o BusterDog em modo gráfico (esta informação não está disponível no site)?

2 - O sistema operacional contido nas ISOs (https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/blob/master/README.md#busterdog--build-system) possuem tradução para português de Portugal ou português do Brasil (esta informação não está disponível no site)?

3 - Não encontrei também informações sobre quais programas estão disponíveis nas ISOs BusterDog-openbox_jwm-2019-12-29_32-bit.iso e BusterDog-openbox_jwm-2019-12-29_64-bit.iso?

4 - Ontem eu tentei fazer o download das ISOs utilizando um gerenciador de download, mas ambas falharam com cerca de 95% do download.

O principal objetivo é de reutilizar computadores / notebook doados ou descartados que possuem cerca de 512MB até 2 GB de memória RAM com tecnologia DDR1 ou DDR2 e processadores Intel: Pentium 4, Celeron, Atom e processadores AMD: Athlon, Duron e etc.

Desde já agradeço a quem puder me ajudar respondendo as minhas dúvidas.

marcelocripe

Texto original em idioma português do Brasil, traduzido para o inglês por Google tradutor.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2020, 06:37    Post subject:  

*** Updated packages ***

- quick-remaster v1.2.3, changes:
-- should be fixed now that in some cases the path to the frugal install "live" folder wasn't correct and therefore not found.
-- added check for failure of remastering and/or backing up save storage due to e.g. not enough disk space, gives a message then and exits.
@keniv, if you tested this and it succeeded, can you tell me briefly what you did, and how much disk space it took for you (there weren't many test reports in the past, so I'm just curious)

From rcrsn51:
- PeasyPDF
and
- PeasyScan

Install with synaptic or apt
.
@marcelocripe, I will reply to you later

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2020, 16:11    Post subject:  

Hi marcelocripe

Quote:
1 - What is the minimum hardware specification (Processor and RAM) and what is recommended for running BusterDog in graphical mode (this information is not available on the website)?

It should run with 512MB RAM, but depends of course on what type of programs you run and how many at the same time, about processor minimum I'm not sure, it runs fine on my laptop with 2.10GHz

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2 - The operating system contained in the ISOs (https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/blob/master/README.md#busterdog--build-system) are translated into Portuguese from Portugal or Portuguese from Brazil (this information does not available on the website)?


No, it's in english, however you can run from menu > System > Set locale/language and choose Portugese/Brazilian, but the translation won't be complete as many custom programs are not translated (english only).

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3 - I haven't found information about which programs are available in the ISOs BusterDog-openbox_jwm-2019-12-29_32-bit.iso and BusterDog-openbox_jwm-2019-12-29_64-bit.iso?


Too many to name here, mostly small applications, (e.g. no office suite), multimedia: mpv and mplayer, internet: palemoon, graphics: mtpaint, peasyglue, peasyscale and some others, and sfs module tools, remaster tools and package-manager of course (synaptic, apt)

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4 - Yesterday I tried to download the ISOs using a download manager, but both failed with about 95% of the download.


That's a pity, maybe try another way, for me it works OK downloading directly with Palemoon or Firefox.

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The main objective is to reuse donated or discarded computers / notebooks that have about 512MB up to 2 GB of RAM with DDR1 or DDR2 technology and Intel processors: Pentium 4, Celeron, Atom and AMD processors: Athlon, Duron and etc.


Should run fine, it's lightweight, probably best to have a swap partition.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Jun 2020, 07:26    Post subject:  

fredx181,

Thank you very much for answering my questions.

The team of developers could try to include the need to include this basic information on the website.

New Linux distribution users, like me, can give up using BusterDog due to lack of basic information, which is very bad. Can you imagine the frustration of a new user after downloading the ISO and failing to complete the installation due to the minimum hardware requirements (Processor and RAM) not being met by the computer / notebook for installing the BusterDog in graphical mode?

Thank you.

marcelocripe

Original text in Brazilian Portuguese, translated into English by Google translator.

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fredx181,

Muito obrigado por responder as minhas dúvidas.

A equipe de desenvolvedores poderiam se a tentarem a necessidade de incluir estas informações básicas no site.

Novos usuários de distribuição Linux, iguais a mim, podem desistir de utilizar o BusterDog devido a falta de informações básicas, o que é muito ruim. Imagina a frustação de um novos usuário após baixar a ISO e não conseguir concluir a instalação devido aos requisitos mínimos de hardware (Processador e RAM) não serem atendidos pelo computador/notebook para a instalação do BusterDog no modo gráfico?

Muito Obrigado.

marcelocripe

Texto original em idioma português do Brasil, traduzido para o inglês por Google tradutor.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2020, 06:28    Post subject:  

Added to repository: Master PDF Editor v4.3.61 (older "free" version with much less restrictions than the latest)
I've made .deb packages (64 and 32 bit) from the sfs's shared Here , thanks festus!

Install "master-pdf-editor" with synaptic or apt

EDIT: @marcelocripe
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The team of developers could try to include the need to include this basic information on the website.

New Linux distribution users, like me, can give up using BusterDog due to lack of basic information, which is very bad. Can you imagine the frustration of a new user after downloading the ISO and failing to complete the installation due to the minimum hardware requirements (Processor and RAM) not being met by the computer / notebook for installing the BusterDog in graphical mode?

Well, there is not really a "team" and I find it hard to determine what to call minimum requirements, as I said, because it all depends on what you do.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2020, 12:02    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
*** Updated packages ***

- quick-remaster v1.2.3, changes:
-- should be fixed now that in some cases the path to the frugal install "live" folder wasn't correct and therefore not found.
-- added check for failure of remastering and/or backing up save storage due to e.g. not enough disk space, gives a message then and exits.
@keniv, if you tested this and it succeeded, can you tell me briefly what you did, and how much disk space it took for you (there weren't many test reports in the past, so I'm just curious


Hi Fred,
You were very quick in uploading quick-remaster V1.2.3. Thanks for that. I've just tried it and I am currently posting from the result so I think I've succeeded though I have some questions which I'll ask at the end of this post.
I downloaded and upgrade quick-remaster using synaptic. I rebooted BusterDog.I then followed the instructions in your animated gif as before but this time all went well. It seemed to be very quick in that it took just over three minutes to complete. I keep BusterDog in /mnt/live/mnt/sda1/291219bustdog.
The contents of /mnt/live/mnt/sda1/291219bustdog/live are now shown in the attached image. Here are my questions
1) 01-filesystem.squashfs shows as 477.3MB. 01-filesystem.squashfs.bak shows as 216.9MB. As the new one is much larger I assume this to be what I should expect.
2)changes.dat shows total size 2.9GB, size on disk 954.4MB. changes.dat.bak shows total size 2.9GB, size on disk 942.5MB. Is this what I should expect? Once i am sure that all is working well can I delete the .bak files?
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how much disk space it took

I don't know how to find this out. When I checked the ext3 formatted partition at the end there was nothing on it. The whole process was fairly painless. Much easier than I thought it would be. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Ken.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2020, 17:29    Post subject:  

Hi keniv, seems all good to me, yes you can delete the .bak files but if you really want to be sure that the (old) changes are incorporated in the new 01-filesystem.squashfs you can boot without changes (without the changes=/... part at the boot command line) to see if it contains the changes you made.
And if you chose "Clear changes at reboot ...." then after reboot you started with a fresh (empty) changes.dat
Quote:
1) 01-filesystem.squashfs shows as 477.3MB. 01-filesystem.squashfs.bak shows as 216.9MB. As the new one is much larger I assume this to be what I should expect.

If you added a lot (e.g. installed new programs) it's expected that new 01-filesystem.squashfs will be larger, but in this case I suspect you chose LZ4 compression which is very fast but creates a larger file, the original 01-filesystem.squashfs is compressed with XZ (smaller file) , so to really compare you can choose XZ next time maybe but it takes much longer to compress.
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2)changes.dat shows total size 2.9GB, size on disk 954.4MB. changes.dat.bak shows total size 2.9GB, size on disk 942.5MB. Is this what I should expect? Once i am sure that all is working well can I delete the .bak files?

Should be good, although I never understand the "size on disk" why it's so much smaller than "total size"

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2020, 05:26    Post subject:  

Hi Fred,
Thanks for your reply and the information. From what you said I am assuming I could do this again but this time chose xz compression to get smaller files. I might try this but at the moment I'm quite happy with what I've got and I think I'll stick with it for a bit. I did notice when I shut down after the first boot when I chose to save changes it showed I had aprox 2700MB of save file left. I was a bit surprised by this as all I'd done was enable the splash screen in grub4dos.

Regards,

Ken.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2020, 12:51    Post subject:  

keniv wrote:
Hi Fred,
Thanks for your reply and the information. From what you said I am assuming I could do this again but this time chose xz compression to get smaller files. I might try this but at the moment I'm quite happy with what I've got and I think I'll stick with it for a bit. I did notice when I shut down after the first boot when I chose to save changes it showed I had aprox 2700MB of save file left. I was a bit surprised by this as all I'd done was enable the splash screen in grub4dos.

Regards,

Ken.


Unless you actively delete them or move them out of the save file, you get a couple of hundred megabytes in apt-get dpkg data and browser user profile stuff almost immediately.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2020, 13:36    Post subject:  

Hi Keniv !
Try Bleachbit .......if you are familiar with it.....downloadable via Synaptic..you can recover quite a bunch of Space ......
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jun 2020, 09:58    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Hi keniv, seems all good to me, yes you can delete the .bak files but if you really want to be sure that the (old) changes are incorporated in the new 01-filesystem.squashfs you can boot without changes (without the changes=/... part at the boot command line) to see if it contains the changes you made.
And if you chose"Clear changes at reboot ...." then after reboot you started with a fresh (empty) changes.dat

Hi Fred,
I booted "(without the changes=/... part" and everything was there so I deleted the .bak files. I did choose "Clear changes at reboot ...." so I guess I did start with a clean .dat file.

dancytron wrote:
Unless you actively delete them or move them out of the save file, you get a couple of hundred megabytes in apt-get dpkg data and browser user profile stuff almost immediately.


Thanks for the explanation. I did wonder why it wasn't clear.

backi wrote:
Try Bleachbit .......if you are familiar with it.....downloadable via Synaptic..you can recover quite a bunch of Space ......


I've got Bleachbit installed. I've used it before with raspbian. Thanks for the reminder.

Regards,

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jun 2020, 11:38    Post subject: BusterDog ISO's updated, 2020-06-29  

*** BusterDog ISO's updated, 2020-06-29 ***

Changes and Fixes:
- Kernel upgraded to v4.19.0-9
- Added new option +EXIT in initrd1.xz, on boot commandline e.g. changes=+EXIT:/BusterDog/live (save on demand or at shutdown, temporary changes NOT in RAM)
(see more info and example: Examples-boot-codes.txt)
- Added some more applications, e.g. Pmusic, pequalizer, and more
- Added 'Xlunch' to the Desktop choices in Desktop Manager
- Palemoon upgraded to v28.10.0
- Upgraded all packages to newest versions

Download: Here

Note that this is not a major update, for a frugal install, most changes can be done by upgrading/installing packages in older BusterDog version and upgrade the kernel to v4.19.0-9 by adding/replacing in the frugal "live" folder with the contents of these tar.gz archives:
64-bit: https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/releases/download/v0.2/kernel-buster-4.19.0-9-amd64.tar.gz
32-bit: https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/releases/download/v0.2/kernel-buster-4.19.0-9-i386-pae.tar.gz

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jul 2020, 09:43    Post subject: Re: BusterDog ISO's updated, 2020-06-29  

fredx181 wrote:
for a frugal install, most changes can be done by upgrading/installing packages in older BusterDog version and upgrade the kernel to v4.19.0-9 by adding/replacing in the frugal "live" folder with the contents of these tar.gz archives:
64-bit: https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/releases/download/v0.2/kernel-buster-4.19.0-9-amd64.tar.gz
32-bit: https://github.com/DebianDog/BusterDog/releases/download/v0.2/kernel-buster-4.19.0-9-i386-pae.tar.gz

Hi Fred,
I followed the instructions above and I seem to be running kernel v4.19.0-9, however, I tried upgrading the packages via synaptic but there weren't any to upgrade. I have upgraded recently, around the time I did the quick-remaster, so perhaps there have been no new ones since then. Does this sound plausible to you or have I done something wrong?

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jul 2020, 10:43    Post subject:  

keniv wrote:
I have upgraded recently, around the time I did the quick-remaster, so perhaps there have been no new ones since then. Does this sound plausible to you or have I done something wrong?


Sounds perfectly plausible, should be all good !
Btw, for info, quick-remaster does some cleaning, e.g. cache, so (as you probably noticed) after that the package lists should be updated again (apt update, or reload from synaptic)

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jul 2020, 09:26    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
after that the package lists should be updated again (apt update, or reload from synaptic)

Thanks Fred,
I've done that,

Regards,

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