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fredx181


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2020, 14:45    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
I don`t really need it .......but applause to Fred...... another nifty Gadget from "Gyro Gearloose- The Madcap Inventor" ....a cool Expansion for users with low Ram .......
just cool ......!


Thanks backi ! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Wow Very Happy Carl Barks, great artist !
I enjoyed very much Donald Duck in the sixties as a child and (not realizing it at that time), later found out that he's had much influence on many comic book artists.

Best Regards,

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2020, 15:09    Post subject:  

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_Gearloose :

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Gyro Gearloose is a fictional character, an anthropomorphic chicken[citation needed], created by Carl Barks for The Walt Disney Company. He is part of the Donald Duck universe, appearing in comic book stories as a friend of Donald Duck, Scrooge McDuck and anyone who is associated with them. He was also a frequent star of the animated DuckTales. He first appeared in the Carl Barks comic "Gladstone's Terrible Secret" (Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #140, May 1952), and was the regular lead character in 4-page backup stories in Barks' issues of Uncle Scrooge, starting with issue #13 (March 1956) and continuing through #41 (March 1963).[1]
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Name in dutch: Willie Wortel Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2020, 15:24    Post subject:  

fredx181

Ignoring Browsers. So lets say no recent browsers.
Then what is the minimum RAM requirement for BusterDog32?

If I have time I will try it on my pentium, 250 meg laptop.
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2020, 16:02    Post subject:  

enrique wrote:
fredx181

Ignoring Browsers. So lets say no recent browsers.
Then what is the minimum RAM requirement for BusterDog32?

If I have time I will try it on my pentium, 250 meg laptop.


I'm almost sure that with 250 meg it will be painfully slow (you'd need at least running a less resources demanding WM than openbox) so don't waste your time, I'd say, 512 meg should be ok depending on what you do of course (and you need swap).

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2020, 22:52    Post subject:  

So you think it may work. That is all I want to know. For the record, I do not use that laptop, only for test. I am not trying to say I will use it. Well Pupy 5.28 is lighting on it. Puppy Xenial32 does work some what acceptable. I should try strech. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun 09 Feb 2020, 20:48    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
*** New option "+EXIT" added for porteus-boot ***

See also Here (and posts above it)
In short:
When using "+EXIT" the changes will NOT run in memory, which can be an advantage, specially when you have small amount of RAM.
(with the "normal" EXIT: configuration, the amount of space in / is limited to 60% (default) of the amount of RAM you have).

To be able to use "+EXIT", a new initrd1.xz must be created, therefore:
- Install latest "upgrade-kernel" v1.0.0
https://github.com/doglinux/busterdog/raw/master/amd64/upgrade-kernel_1.0.0_all.deb
- Run from menu > System > Make initrd (see pic below)
- When done, copy /tmp/initrd1.xz to your "live" frugal install folder and replace the existing initrd1.xz
- Reboot and use for example on the kernel boot line:
Code:
changes=+EXIT:/buster_dog/live


Fred



Hi Fred and all BusterDog forumites,

I am just getting my feet wet with BusterDog after using various other puppys for years. I appreciate the detailed explanation of the new boot option, and was hoping someone could point to a resource that explains the various other porteus boot options possible for using with BusterDog.

When reading back through the threads of earlier Dogs, it is sometimes hard to know what advice or features are still current and what may have been depreciated. In any event, there is a lot of pages of older threads to read through....

Can anyone recall a discussion on some of the practical uses for the various options available? There may be new ways to do things that I haven't yet considered?

Also, I used the mklive buster64 appimage from a puppy to build with. Is there an advantage is using mklive buster script once I get my new busterdog up and running?

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 04:34    Post subject:  

Porteus boot :

https://github.com/DebianDog/Jessie/wiki/Porteus-boot
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 05:07    Post subject:  

Hi ras,

backi wrote:
Porteus boot :

https://github.com/DebianDog/Jessie/wiki/Porteus-boot


Yes, and see also http://www.porteus.org/tutorials/26-general-info-tutorials/117-cheatcodes-what-they-are-and-how-to-use-them.html
But note that NOT all of these cheatcodes will work with busterdog.

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Also, I used the mklive buster64 appimage from a puppy to build with. Is there an advantage is using mklive buster script once I get my new busterdog up and running?

No , not really, the appimage is just for convenience to use on Puppy (dependencies are inside already), the bare script can be used on Busterdog (will install any missing dependencies) for the rest there's no difference.

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 09:14    Post subject:  

Hi Fred !
So..... changes=+EXIT:/buster_dog/ .....is the Equivalent of.....pfix=nocopy
in Puppy Linux for use on the kernel boot line in the menu.lst .........right?

Edit:
No ...it is not !

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 09:34    Post subject:  

In Puppy, the "pfix=nocopy" option prevents the main .sfs file from loading into RAM. This frees up RAM but works a bit slower.

To my knowledge, the Debian-Live system NEVER loads the 01-filesystem module into RAM. The EXIT options control how the "changes" data is handled.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 09:52    Post subject:  

Hi rcrsn51 !
Makes me a bit confused .
Since i am posting now from Bionic Dog .....the " copy2ram" in my kernel Line...does load the 01-filesystem.squashfs into Ram .

Example of my menu.lst Entry for Bionic Dog .
kernel /bionicdog64ohnenvidia/casper/vmlinuz from=/bionicdog64ohnenvidia noauto intel_pstate=passive changes=EXIT:/bionicdog64ohnenvidia/casper/ copy2ram .

Maybe naive question :
Since i am mostly using the "Bionic (or Xenial) Dogs"......want to ask ....
what does the "pfix=copy or pfix=nocopy " in Puppy Linux exactly load (or not)?.......
Any influence on loading (or not) "save File" or "save Folder ?.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 09:56    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Since i am posting now from Bionic Dog .....the " copy2ram" in my kernel Line...does load the 01-filesystem.squashfs into Ram .

My mistake. You are correct.
Quote:
Since i am mostly using the "Bionic (or Xenial) Dogs"......want to ask ....
what does the "pfix=copy or pfix=nocopy " in Puppy Linux exactly load (or not)?

I really don't know anymore. There has been discussion about changing how "pfix=copy/nocopy/ram" work.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 10:02    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 !
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The EXIT options control how the "changes" data is handled.

Got it....
and the "copy2ram" causes. 01-filesystem.squashfs loaded into Ram ....

But how load or not load save file/Folder into ram in Puppy Linux ?
Possible or not ?
I am somehow a bit confused and outdated .
Can anybody explain ?
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 10:35    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
But how load or not load save file/Folder into ram in Puppy Linux ? Possible or not ?

In old Puppies, that was IMPOSSIBLE, because the save file was likely bigger than the available RAM. I don't know about new Puppies.

I believe that the Puppy "pmedia=usbflash" option is equivalent to the Porteus "changes=EXIT" option. They hold the current changes in a RAM layer, then flush them back to the permanent storage.
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Feb 2020, 11:02    Post subject:  

Thanks !
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