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ally


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov 2019, 20:18    Post subject:  

mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_BusterDog_32Bit

and here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_BusterDog_64bit

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backi

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov 2019, 06:21    Post subject:  

Hi you guys !

@fred
@dancytron
Did what you advised me to do ......but no Luck.
As i said ....my machine (Dell Precision M6600) since "Buster" (Buster Puppies too) is heating up ("only" 10 Degrees Celsius more idle... but annoying).Fan starts working after a while just surfing .
Stretch-Xenial-Bionic(Puppies too).....no Fan ....no Problem.
Don`t expect any Solution ....since too many Parameters could be Reason to find out .
But thanks anyway.
This seems Machine specific or does anybody else experience similar Observations ?

Best Regards !
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov 2019, 08:10    Post subject:  

made new iso xfce
on Lxpup
in fat32
on lenovo ideapad
1gb ram increased
to 2gb
perfectly

in cca 20 minutes
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov 2019, 12:45    Post subject:  

zagreb999 wrote:
made new iso xfce
on Lxpup
in fat32
on lenovo ideapad
1gb ram increased
to 2gb
perfectly

in cca 20 minutes


Thanks for the report,zagreb !

I see you did the build in /root/Downloads, that means that it was done in the virtual filesystem, not on fat32, yes Lxpup may be installed on fat32 but that's something else.
In general I would not recommend doing a build in e.g. /root because you may not have enough space there, resulting in that the build will fail (but depending on how minimal the build is and if you run the system in RAM, then how much RAM you have is important).
Better do it on a Linux formatted partition, outside the virtual filesystem, with 2-3GB free space.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov 2019, 15:29    Post subject:  

@fredx181
Quote:
DevuanDog 'Beowulf' [DISCONTINUED]


I was using DevuanDog but as it's now discontinued I thought I would try BusterDog. Download (32 bit version) and install went well. Had a little trouble using frisbee but I'd put this down to lack of experience with it. Palemoon asked to update while I was setting up and I had no problems with the update. I am posting from it now. All looks very familiar. Have not had time to try anything else but all looks good at the moment. I have a question though.

Quote:
Based on the Debian 'Buster' branch but without systemd.


I've seen posts about systemd suggesting it's a bad thing but I don't know why. Can you explain, in simple terms, why it is thought to be a good idea not to use systemd.

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Ken.
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Payoon

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 00:55    Post subject: Buster DOG  

Hi Fred,
thanks for this one. After the great stretch-dog I was hoping for buster-dog. And here it is.
I have only one suggestion.
In the beginning boot always interrupted with the message
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can't connect to x-server
but didn't know how to allocate it. It took me a while until I found that I had to copy the firmware module into the base directory. Maybe somewhere in the thread or during boot sequence a hint for the unexperienced could help. Everything else works great.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 04:45    Post subject:
Subject description: HP Pavilliooon dv6000
 

Hi fred,

Working well on this machine so far. Thanks for this effort. Having sysvinit with Buster is a great effort. Video and internet working well.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 06:00    Post subject:  

@keniv
keniv wrote:
I've seen posts about systemd suggesting it's a bad thing but I don't know why. Can you explain, in simple terms, why it is thought to be a good idea not to use systemd.


There are different opinions about systemd, I don't see it particularly as bad.
And the fact that it's widely used (in many Linux distros) proves that it works and it seems to me that many devs and users do prefer it.

Most of my motivation to make a systemd-free OS is:
- There should be choice to use systemd or not (standard Debian buster doesn't give that choice really)
(that said, I should mention that it's difficult to install systemd on Busterdog, it's possible but need to do some tricks)
- I personally don't like the complexity of systemd (also it is much more than an init system, leading to unexpected things, taking control where I don't want it), the sysvinit init system is much more simple (and therefore fits better in the Puppy tradition IMO)

@Payoon
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I have only one suggestion.
In the beginning boot always interrupted with the message
Quote:
can't connect to x-server
but didn't know how to allocate it. It took me a while until I found that I had to copy the firmware module into the base directory. Maybe somewhere in the thread or during boot sequence a hint for the unexperienced could help

Thanks for mentioning, do you have any idea which firmware seems to be missing for you to connect to x-server ?

@darry, thanks for testing !

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 06:36    Post subject: buster firmware  

Hi Fred,

the only thing that comes to my mind is my AMD Radeon R5 Graphics Card.

I will try to find out by "delete and error method", but that may take a while.
Thanks again. Great stuff.

Payoon
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 12:18    Post subject:  

How to install systemd on BusterDog:

For those who prefer booting with systemd, here's how (a bit of a workaround)
First make sure to Exit X ! Menu > Logout > Exit X
Then from the console type ("apt update" may not be needed if you recently updated the package lists):
Code:
apt update
apt install udev systemd-sysv libpam-systemd

Reboot with changes saved and systemd will be the init system.
(automatic login doesn't work then, btw).

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Terry H

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 13:00    Post subject:  

Hi Fred,

Haven't used a Dog for a little while so I just did a new frugal install of BusterDog. Manual frugal install on Kingston DataTraveller 8GB USB, using Porteus boot method.

Setup wifi and time zone, all working well after reboot and save changes. I haven't used tint2 panel very much in the past, so am trying to famiiarise myself with using it. The bottom panel is straight forward, but the top panel is taking some time to work out.

This is another excellent Dog, Thanks Fred for your continued contribution.
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 15:30    Post subject:  

Terry H wrote:
Hi Fred,

Haven't used a Dog for a little while so I just did a new frugal install of BusterDog. Manual frugal install on Kingston DataTraveller 8GB USB, using Porteus boot method.

Setup wifi and time zone, all working well after reboot and save changes. I haven't used tint2 panel very much in the past, so am trying to famiiarise myself with using it. The bottom panel is straight forward, but the top panel is taking some time to work out.

This is another excellent Dog, Thanks Fred for your continued contribution.


In the desktop manager you can choose the other Openbox choice that just uses the bottom panel (IIRC the one from lxde) with nothing on the top and regular icons on the desktop. That's the one I like to use.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 17:08    Post subject:  

dancytron wrote:
Terry H wrote:
Hi Fred,

Haven't used a Dog for a little while so I just did a new frugal install of BusterDog. Manual frugal install on Kingston DataTraveller 8GB USB, using Porteus boot method.

Setup wifi and time zone, all working well after reboot and save changes. I haven't used tint2 panel very much in the past, so am trying to famiiarise myself with using it. The bottom panel is straight forward, but the top panel is taking some time to work out.

This is another excellent Dog, Thanks Fred for your continued contribution.


In the desktop manager you can choose the other Openbox choice that just uses the bottom panel (IIRC the one from lxde) with nothing on the top and regular icons on the desktop. That's the one I like to use.


Thanks for the response. Yes, I have checked the Menu > Settings > Desktop Manager which gives the 3 options for setting Desktop. I'm very familiar with lxpanel. I am trying to use tint2, as a learning opportunity, as any times I previously tried I gave up very quickly, I thought I 'd try and stick with tint2 for the moment.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 17:11    Post subject:  

Hi Fred,
Thanks for your explanation of the systemd issue. Now had a little time to do some testing and have some things to report.

Quote:
See info and links about possible Palemoon issues (on some machines with Intel graphics)


I don't seem to have any issues in this respect with busterdog so all to the good. However, I have had a problem with resizing the savefile (changes.dat) which I put in 'live'. I initially made it 1GB. I then decided to install arduino. I did this via synaptic. It was to take up a bit over 400MB so I thought I would make the save file 500MB larger. The process seemed to work OK. The only thing I noticed that might be relevant was that adding the extra 500MB seemed to take very little time. When installing arduino I started to see errors about there being no room as well as an on screen box telling me I had less than 30MB of space left. I attempted to cancel the install. I then had trouble shutting down. I had to use ctrl-alt-backspace then power off. Using another puppy I checked the size of changes.dat and it showed as 1500MB. However, I am sure it was not. I removed changes.dat and started again but got errors with synaptic so I decided on a complete new install. I seemed to remeber reading that it was not a good idea to try to expand the savefile so this time I started with a 2GB savefile. I was able to install arduino and I also installed abiword without problems. I am sure I increased the size of devuandogs savefile without these problems. I have also noticed that when clicking on the menu icon to bring up the menu it seems to appear much more slowly than it did with devuandog. These might just be problems peculiar to me but I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had these problems.

Regards,

Ken.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Nov 2019, 17:49    Post subject:  

Hi ally

ally wrote:
mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_BusterDog_32Bit

and here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_BusterDog_64bit

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