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2.11beta - PupGet package XORG_VIDEO_DRVRS-7.0 missing
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pakt


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Oct 2006, 10:45    Post subject:  2.11beta - PupGet package XORG_VIDEO_DRVRS-7.0 missing  

Neither distro.ibiblio.org nor ftp.nluug.nl appears to have package XORG_VIDEO_DRVRS-7.0

Paul
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Oct 2006, 20:53    Post subject:  

well, that's not really a bug.
The updated pupget packages won't get uploaded until v2.11 is released.

I'm still uncertain whether the video drivers should be left out of the live-cd.
If the Xorg 'vesa' driver is troublesome for anyone, let me know.
The full set of drivers is about 8M so is quite big, but if I have to put it into
the live-cd then I'll just have to find other stuff to throw out.
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 02:26    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:

I'm still uncertain whether the video drivers should be left out of the live-cd.
If the Xorg 'vesa' driver is troublesome for anyone, let me know.

Glad you brought that up. Wink

The large and popular Intel i810 family is quite special in that the bios decides how much video memory is available (usually not manually 'setable') and a dialog between the driver and the bios is necessary for the bios to increase the memory allotment beyond the small initial amount. Unfortunately that 'initial amount of memory' seems to vary widely between different bios manufacturers.

Example of two PCs with i810 that I have tested: one, a popular Dell laptop, initially has 832 KB video memory. The other, a popular IBM ThinkPad, initially has 8060 KB video memory. With 832 KB video memory, only 640x480 is possible. Unfortunately, this is my main PC. With the ThinkPad, it is possible to get 1024x768.

The problem I run into with the Dell @ 640x480 is that the wizard windows are almost all too large to fit on the desktop and the bottom-most buttons are unavailable. No amount of resizing/moving helps. In other words, I would not have been able to use PupGet to download the i810 driver. I don't really know how it is with other video chipsets, but with the i810 a person trying Puppy for the first time would certainly abandon him after these difficulties.

Conclusion: You should at least include the driver for the i810 family (i810_drv.o & libxaa.so).

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 02:39    Post subject:  

pakt wrote:

Conclusion: You should at least include the driver for the i810 family (i810_drv.o & libxaa.so).

I second. The PCs I commonly tried with Puppy has the i810 video chipsets. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 02:52    Post subject:  

Here is a dotpup that will install the i810 xorg driver in Puppy 2.11beta. It includes the xwin bugfix.

Use it like this:

1. Let Puppy 2.11beta start up with the vesa driver

2. Download xorg_i810.pup and execute it

3. Press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to exit X

4. Type "xorgwizard" and press "Return". Choose your settings. When the command line returns, type "xwin". That's it!

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 03:07    Post subject:  

wow! that's fast. thanks a lot. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 03:26    Post subject:  

Glad I could help Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 06:22    Post subject:  

What does libxaa.so do?
I checked i810_drv.so, it doesn't have libxaa.so as a dependency.
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 06:42    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
What does libxaa.so do?
I checked i810_drv.so, it doesn't have libxaa.so as a dependency.

X will not start when using the i810 driver if the libxaa.so library is missing. It complains about not finding xaa.

From /var/log/Xorg.0.log
Code:

(II) Loading sub module "xaa"
(II) LoadModule: "xaa"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/libxaa.so
(II) Module xaa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
   compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.2.0
   ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
...
(II) I810(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
   Screen to screen bit blits
   Solid filled rectangles
   8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
   Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion
   Solid Horizontal and Vertical Lines
   Offscreen Pixmaps
   Setting up tile and stipple cache:
      30 128x128 slots

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2006, 06:52    Post subject:  

Puppy 2.11beta with cut down Xorg wont let me boot into any display at all now - error console message only for Xorg, black screen for xvesa alternative. I was used to using simplepup which I believe had most of the Xorg in it and this (LCD Savage S3) display worked fine. I am going to go back to try 1.09CE tonight.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2006, 02:49    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
well, that's not really a bug.
The updated pupget packages won't get uploaded until v2.11 is released.

Barry, I don't really understand the logic in that - the pupget app (as well as the pupget packages) cannot be tested until the 'finished product' is released?? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2006, 06:35    Post subject:  

Smile Okay, I'll upload the pupget's tonight.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2006, 06:48    Post subject:  

Good - testing continues Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2006, 15:01    Post subject: neomagic video driver?  

Any idea how I can get the neomagic 2200 driver for 2.11? Is it included in the 8 MB download, or is there a way to get a smaller download? I need it for my Sony Picturebook, which has a screen resolution of 1024x480.

From xorg.conf

Identifier "Card0"
Driver "neomagic"
VendorName "Neomagic Corporation"
BoardName "NM2200 [MagicGraph 256AV]"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Oct 2006, 18:48    Post subject:  

The Neomagic driver is quite small, file neomagic_drv.so.
But, I wonder if it needs anything else to run?

I have put 'i810_drv.so' and 'libxaa.so' into the 'xorg_BASE' package
-- as advised earlier, the i810 driver requires libxaa.

So, could you try the neomagic_drv.so driver, see if it loads?
Basically, copy neomagic_drv.so to /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
Then run Xorg Wizard, script 'xorgwizard'.
-- you can get a log of any Xorg startup errors by looking in
/var/log/Xorg.0.log

I am uploading latest pupget pkgs right now.
'xorg_VIDEO_DRVRS-7.0' should be uploaded soon ...maybe about another
hour from now.
Download it, open it up, extract ONLY the 'neomagic_drv.so' file
and then try Xorg -- I want to know exactly what other library file is
required to get it to work.

Note, I'm planning to release Pup 2.11 on Monday 16th Perth time,
which will still be Sunday 15th in USA.
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