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tony

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 16:11    Post subject:  

Hi Don,

Thanks for your help, at the moment I get a large unusable picture using safe_mode=1 or no picture at all without.

Still trying other options but your input has been invaluable.

Regards Tony.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 18:08    Post subject: Re: Raspberry Pi Buster Raspup
Subject description: Tested running on pi0,pi1.pi2,pi3,pi4
 

01micko (in main post) wrote:


Installation

See the NEW Raspup Website because there is now the choice of 2 new image files that can be installed directly to sdcard. THE following instructions are left here for posterity, though are still relevant if you check out what is in the raw/ directory at the download location.


[ added emphasis ]

@Lobster and @Brown Mouse

I think there may have been a PEBKAC issue. These can be difficult to diagnose. Wink

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Lobster
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 21:03    Post subject:  

Quote:
Puzzled? Why are folks having so much difficulty? It's even easier than 01micko and regulars suggest to prep. Abandon RPis &pup machines for the moment and dig out any old std. linux desktop. d/l the recommended file - raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img.zip - , rightclick on it and select extract here to obtain the basic .img file. Forget all that complicated CLI DD stuff, mount your SD card in a USB converter (costs a £1 in the Poundshop), find or d/l the USBWriter utility - it's in all the major distros - and write the .img file. Michael has done all the hard work! I tend to use a Mint or MX machine for these sorts of operations - don't like Manjaro, but it'll probably cook on that too since it's one of the top three distros. Anyone still stuck with the devil's OS can dual-boot the lovely new LM19.3 which is exceptionally compatible. Takes longer to explain than to do.
Just remember, a lot of the regulars on this Forum are top-of-the-shop gurus who daily write and code at the CLI - for those of us who are not, do it the easy way!


I used Puppy to install on the microSD card. So does that mean I should/could have:
- downloaded the appropriate/recommended image and checked
- clicked the install icon on the Puppy desktop
- used the BootFlash USB installer?

If so, that would have been a lot easier as you say.
Can add the info to the wiki
http://wikka.puppylinux.com/Puppi

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Sage

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan 2020, 06:34    Post subject:  

01micko&Lob:
More ways of annihilating the feline! We are most grateful for the range of options for installing - so many, it could cause confusion? I prefer to keep my systems simple so d/l all Puppy stuff onto a mainline PC with major distro, usually Mint. If the extraction of an image file is entailed, it is an unique and separate operation. After that, Puppies reach other machines either by writing to an SD card, USB fob or, if, as BK now kindly offers as '/legacy' .iso on CD-RW. [oh, yes, I am surrounded by legacy CD-RW and eternally grateful that puppies still fit onto rather than polluting the planet with more bird scarers. -and, thanks to Michael, I can now recycle my full size SD cards which fit the RPi 2B]
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lizardidi

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2020, 00:06    Post subject:  

Congratulations for the Final release! Tested and running good on Raspberry Pi Zero. Now I can test different setting on my Raspberry and save the changes only when I need it. Thanks very much for all the hardwork!

@01micko, will your puppy eventually support other boards as well? such as Orange Pi, Banana Pi etc? Currently they are running Armbian/Dietpi. If puppy can run on other SBCs, I think many of the users will convert to puppy because it is so great, easy to use, easily transferable, and many many more advantages.
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Dud

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2020, 10:38    Post subject:
Subject description: Observations and suggestions after several installations:
 

Hello Micko,

This is a nice little distro and on a Pi4 4GB it's quick enough that I'm making it my primary home workstation.

I've been though the install/setup process three times now - would have been two but I made one unuseable when experimenting with EDID settings before setting up SSH... and I have two more to go.

Some observations and suggestions - mostly to help newbies to Puppy:

On page http://raspup.eezy.xyz/notes.php you have a placeholder section in the download file names so they do not match the actual distro files. This may have increased Lobster's confusion upthread and could completely faze timid linux newbies.

First Run Wizard:
I suggest you preselect the NTP (time from NET) option and shorten the NTP blurb - we know the Pi needs it unless an RTC hat is added - a frequent call for help from Pi users is when internet sites (usually youtube) react to unexpected timestamps. Often the solution is to dełay the NTP call until well after the connection is established; I don't know why prompt calls fail sometimes.

- in Psync: preselect the "Synchronise at each system startup" option.

Advertise: change the default hostname to raspupnnnn

First Run session save:
ATM the save prompt preselects the almost full VFAT partition while the blurb above warns about space requirements but if the user selects the (usually larger) ext partition it is necessary to go through a two part process at second bootup to select the partition and make it the default.

It would simplify matters for the new user if the save process preselected the larger partition and, whichever is selected, rewrote the bootmenu to make the chosen partition/file the initial default.

...but leave the Set 'Default Boot Option' in place for those who wish to be able to switch.



Desktop:
I suggest adding an explanatory tooltip to the save icon.

The screenlock icon can cause trouble - BIG trouble - a certain set of siblings came to outright war when one habitually screenlocked the others out on Tahrpup. Can we tooltip some sort of warning and instruct how to remove it for parents or others setting up where it might be abused? Something like: "If you don't expect to need this, right click and remove item."


Package Manager:
Or, perhaps better placed, quickpet or install.
Mainstream Raspberry Pi users, our main source of newcomers for this distro, are used to constant admonitions to keep everything up-to-date - apt update, apt upgrade and as I recently discovered: apt full-upgrade

( Any early Pi4 adopters reading this, especially if you're relying on wireless networking - boot Raspbian and sudo apt update then sudo apt full-upgrade to fix your firmware - we're told there is still more to come so repeat in a little while. )

Somewhere we need a 'Raspup updates' button and possibly something to upgrade all installed packages.

This is probably a bigger job so you might usefully talk to 666philb about this, Icbw but I think he has experience here.

Devx is not listed in the available packages - OK it's in the repository but Puppy newbies won't know that.

Hth. Cheerio,

Dud
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2020, 10:59    Post subject:
Subject description: Devx
 

Update:

Oops.

I've just discovered that Devx *is* in the packages list - but not under that name - perhaps edit the description to include the name to help careless old Puppy users who are scanning hastily...?

Gd&r,
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don570


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2020, 12:40    Post subject:  

Raspberry pi 3b+
Review:

I had the same problems installing the image
as I always do when I start with a SD card
that is already partitioned into two partitions with different
file systems. gparted never seems to work properly.

The best solution I have found is to go to a windows computer and
format the card as fat32. Then I can go to a linux computer and use gparted to create two partitions .

I dragged the files to the 650MB partition following the instructions on
http://raspup.eezy.xyz/notes.php

Install Instructions wrote:

GUI
Grab a sdcard or micro-sdcard (whatever fits your pi) and make 2 partitions, the first FAT32 of size 650MB, The second fills the rest of the card. Format that to ext2, ext3, ext4, f2fs, whichever with Gparted Partition Manager.
Make a new directory where you downloaded the zip file and extract the files in there. Copy all the files with drag'n'drop to MOUNTED FIRST partition of the sdcard, being sure NOT to copy the zip file as well
Unmount the card, remove from your card reader and poke it in the pi, power up and enjoy.



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pnetwork recognized a Samba server

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It was easy to set up a Samba server on the Raspberry Pi
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Dud

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2020, 19:41    Post subject:
Subject description: Installing to micro SD
 

Youre working too hard don570 Wink

There's no need to format or partition the micro SD - the format is already in the .img file - just dd it straight over the top.

The instructions for the pre-release development version are now superceded; the release is straightforward.

Because I'm setting up several I've unzipped the source and written a two line script, here's my file:

#!/bin/bash
dd if=/mnt/home/RaspberryPiInstalls/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
sync

You would replace my /mnt/home/RaspberryPiInstalls with the path to your own .img file and /dev/sdc with the path to your SD card.

You may prefer to do the unzip and pipe the output to dd in the same line but the above is the basic process..

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 00:05    Post subject:  

Being blocked from the puppy wiki wikka by some ninja tool (again) Confused

tried to post this on the Puppi page based on Duds script ...

Maybe someone else can add it? ... or maybe me later ...

Quote:
**How do I install Raspup onto a SD/micro SD card?**
Run this script on the downloaded .img
%%(language-ref)
#!/bin/bash
dd if=/mnt/home/RaspberryPiInstalls/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
sync
%%
replace my /mnt/home/RaspberryPiInstalls with the path to your own .img file and /dev/sdc with the path to your SD card

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Dud

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 09:33    Post subject:
Subject description: Wiki entry
 

- Lobster,

When you do get access better point out this is for Pi2 or later, Pi 0 & 1 need the other .img and -swap must be inserted in the filename.

Cheerio,
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 11:12    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Being blocked from the puppy wiki wikka by some ninja tool (again) Confused

tried to post this on the Puppi page based on Duds script ...

Maybe someone else can add it? ... or maybe me later ...

Quote:
**How do I install Raspup onto a SD/micro SD card?**
Run this script on the downloaded .img
%%(language-ref)
#!/bin/bash
dd if=/mnt/home/RaspberryPiInstalls/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
sync
%%
replace my /mnt/home/RaspberryPiInstalls with the path to your own .img file and /dev/sdc with the path to your SD card
I am blocked out from the wiki by the ninja-guy too...
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don570


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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 15:56    Post subject:  

I use fatdog64 802 and I wonder if the version of the utility 'dd'
recognizes the option '1m' which I copied from the official Buster Raspup site

http://raspup.eezy.xyz/notes.php

Terminal output shows a strange error
dd: invalid number: ‘1m’

I wonder if capital 'M' is needed.


Code:
# dd bs=1m if=/root/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img.zip.extracted/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img of=/dev/sdc
dd: invalid number: ‘1m’
# dd bs=1M if=/root/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img.zip.extracted/raspup-8.2.0-831a3e7cc-4gb-ext4nj.img of=/dev/sdc
4000+0 records in
4000+0 records out
4194304000 bytes (4.2 GB, 3.9 GiB) copied, 652.708 s, 6.4 MB/s
# sync
#


Here is the official instructions...

Quote:
If you have extracted the image zip file then you can use dd to transfer the image to the card.

Follow steps 1. and 2. above
Establish the drive as above
Run as root or prefix the command with sudo:
dd bs=1m if=path/to/raspup-(version).img of=/dev/MYDRIVE
sync
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tony

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 17:17    Post subject:
Subject description: Downloads into temp ? why?
 

Hi,
I've just found out the hard way that my Firefox download was put into temp. Why?
How do you find it? Where do you put it?

Also, can someone spell out how to run this puppy in a USB stick.

(Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?)

Regards, and thanks for all the hard work. Tony.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2020, 19:32    Post subject:  

don570
- yes, upper case M

If you have plenty of memory for large buffers you could try 2M or 4M for a quicker copy.


tony
The file should have been moved out of temp once download was finished - either you had not yet given the DL process a valid destination or the process failed at some point - check the file is complete before you use it.

USB boots:

Raspberry Pi 3's and late 2's can boot from USB, search for the one-time-use command:
program_usb_boot_mode=1
and you will find plenty of assistance
- Caveat: I have not tried this with Puppy but it should work.

Pi4's cannot yet boot from USB; we are told this ability, along with booting over a network, WILL be added in a future firmware upgrade. When the firmware is available the process I described upthread will add the ability to your existing Pi4.

What you can do now is to put a minimal boot on an microSD card and symlink almost everything else to whatever devices you have mounted, That way you get nearly all the speed advantages for only a little extra complexity.

Cheerio,

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