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[bigpup]

Is anyone still watching this program for errors, problems, needed code changes, etc.....?

I ask, because the Universal Installer will not work with the new computers using UEFI bios.
Recently, someone posted they tried to do an install, to the internal hard drive, using the Universal Installer.
It refused to do the install. A message said it is not able to do installs to a computer with UEFI bios.

Someone that knows how to code, needs to make some changes or Puppy needs to stop using this installer.

I posted about this at Woof CE.
About all that got done is confirmation that it has issues with UEFI.
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/issues/1352

[Mike Walsh]

@ bigpup:-

Obviously, anyone at all familiar with Pup's 'ins-and-outs' knows exactly how to work around this; the use of a 'quick'n'dirty' frugal install, turning off the necessary FastBoot/SecureBoot stuff, which other bits to add to the mix, etc.

However, the whole point of the Universal Installer (or other substitute) should be that any complete beginner can boot into a LiveCD, then simply use it to install Puppy to any current hardware. As you say, this is where the current offering falls flat on its face.....and the initial impression given to any potential new user is that Pup is very sloppily put together by a bunch of amateurs.

Which we know is far from being the case.....

I have to agree with you on this point. I've been thinking the same thing in recent months, after reading certain threads.


Mike.

[Flash]

Are there other ways to install Puppy to a hard disk?

[s243a]

[bigpup]

Please do not turn this into a listing of other installers that could be used.

This is about making the Puppy Universal Installer usable.

[Flash]

Sorry.

[Crash]

Only in the last few months have I paid any attention to installing Puppy Linux
on a UEFI system. But as they say, the future is here, and I don't think we'll
be reverting back to FAT anytime soon.

I have enough trouble doing a manual install to a UEFI system, not to mention
automating the process. But I wouldn't mind looking at the Universal Installer
source code if I could find it. I assume there's some GitHub somewhere that is
accessable. By the way, I don't think of myself as a coder as much as a hacker.
I'm probably stepping into a rabbit hole that will have much adventure.

[mikeslr]

Hi Crash,

Can't help you finding the Universal Installer on GitHub. But you'll find its code in /usr/sbin under the name dotpup --probably has the same name on GitHub. That name, itself, suggests how long it's been around. Opening it in a text editor immediately reveals that it was written in 2007 and its last acknowledged revision was in December 2013.

Frankly, it should be replaced or supplemented in woof with something which actually works under computers loading via either bios or UEFI. There are several possible alternatives. But just replacing it wouldn't solve the problem of the zillion or so Puppy ISOs floating around which will lack that replacement/supplement. Consequently, there would still be a need for a pet which could be installed into already published ISOs.

Bash has been updated several times since 2013. Unless the revision/supplement uses fully backward compatible code, more than one version of the proposed pet would be necessary.

The project is certain to be an exciting adventure. That, after all, is what makes life interesting Except at times when trying to form a coherent thought is like swimming thru mud. Then I recall the Chinese adage, "Let my enemies live in interesting times."

[bigpup]

I do not think you will find any of this on Github except maybe in Woof CE.
This was originally coded by Barry K in the very early days of Puppy Linux development.

[Crash]

Oh, I didn't realize the Universal Installer was already hiding away in the distro as script files. That makes it easy to look at.

I haven't actually used the Universal Installer much, since I usually do a "manual" installation. I tried it out on an SD card I
have laying around that already has FreeDOS/GRUB4DOS/Puppy Slacko 5.7 on it. The Universal Installer kept Slacko intact,
but replaced the FREEDOS boot record with isolinux. That's OK, but I would think the end product should be more based on
Grub2 which is "new" - a mere seven years old. In Beta still, I'm sure.

There's been a ton of really good work over the years in terms of support for newcomers to be able to install Puppy Linux.
It would be great to leverage this work and incorporate it into the Universal Installer.

Regarding amateurs vs. professionals: I think the mix is one of the strengths of the Puppy Linux community. There has been
wonderful contribution over the years from experts whose work is essential, but the work is also influenced by the every day
person, giving a very well rounded overall personality to Puppy Linux. I've tried numerous other versions of Linux over the
years, and I keep coming back to Puppy Linux. In my opinion, nothing comes close to it.

Anyway, don't expect anything real soon from me. I like to experiment a lot before I really commit to anything. In this case,
there is a great Discovery process that needs to take place first. It's something that can keep me occupied while I wait for this
hurricane to blow through town.

// Edited Friday the 13th (!)

Hurricane Dorian spared the entire east coast of Florida, for which I am grateful. My heart goes out to the people in the Bahamas, who suffered greatly from the storm.

Looking at the code in Bionic Pup's puppyinstaller program, it would be very easy to branch to a completely different path if UEFI is discovered:

[bigpup]

Any update on this?

Anyone???

[Moose On The Loose]