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BionicPup64 8.0 can't see wireless connections (Solved)
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Brant

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug 2019, 16:40    Post subject:  BionicPup64 8.0 can't see wireless connections (Solved)
Subject description: Dell Vostro 1520
 

I was recently given a Dell Vostro 1520 with 4G of RAM.

I installed Bionic Pup 64 without difficulty--except that it did not at first recognize either the wired connection or the wireless connection. Both were working--I had other devices able to go online--and whenever I plugged in an older version of Puppy (usually Xenial 7.5) the Vostro saw both networks at once.

After switching back and forth, on the third try Bionic Pup saw the wired network (I have no idea why--I had made no changes) and from then on has connected consistently--however it has never seen the wireless network.

I have tried Simple Network Setup, Frisbee, and Network Wizard, both with Xenial and Bionic Pup. All three see both networks with Xenial 64--all three see only the wired network with Bionic Pup.

Is there a solution? Is anyone else having similar problems?
Thanks
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jafadmin

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug 2019, 22:33    Post subject:  

**All of my advice involves using the "Network Wizard"**

Also, pick a network config tool and stick with it. Otherwise puppy will chase it's tail a lot.

Ok, with Xenial64, boot the Dell laptop then open Puppy Network Wizard. It should list both your ethernet adapter and your wireless adapter. Take note of the "module" listed for wlan0. We need that to help BionicPup64.

Repeat the process for BionicPup, but click the "Load Module" button and see if you can find a driver there that closely matches the module being used in Xenial64. If you can't get one to work, it may be necessary to get the WinXP driver for it and make an ndiswrapper.

There are three tabs: "Select module", "Ndiswrapper", and "More".

If you can find the Windows XP driver online, load it with the ndiswrapper, or click the "More" tab where you can force it to search by the name you got from Xenial64, or force it to try all drivers.

At any rate, let us know which module is being used by Xenial64 and we may be able to shed more light ..
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 05:13    Post subject:  

Bionicpup64 8.0 should have all the support that Xenialpup64 7.5 has for hardware.
Unless maybe you found something that got missed.

If this is a new install of Bionicpup64 8.0

I would start over with a fresh new install.
I would delete it.
Re-download the Bionicpup64 8.0 iso
Do a clean new install.
Downloads of the iso and installs, do go badly, sometimes.

If Bionicpup is being installed to a fat32 or ntfs formatted partition.
If this is not a freshly new format.
There is a good chance the file system is fragmented.
Run Windows defrag and chkdsk on the partition before you install Bionicpup.

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ozsouth

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 05:53    Post subject:  

Can you please post the results of (run in a terminal)
lspci | Network
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Brant

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 17:36    Post subject:  

Running on the Vostro:
Xenial Pup shows eth0 with the r8169 module
wlan0 with the b43 module

Bionic Pup only shows eth0 with the r8169 module

I installed the b43 module without result, and then installed the b43 legacy module, both without result. I shut down and restarted, again without result.

I have no Windows installation on this machine, so “Ndiswrapper” is not an option.
I tried “More” then “Autoprobe” and it said that it had successfully loaded the 3c59x module, but without result.

I did a fresh download of Bionic Pup, checked the MD5, and installed it to a different flash-drive, and booted the Vostro from that, with the same results.
I then used it to boot my Lenovo Thinkpad T-60; on this machine Bionic Pup booted happily and found the wireless network at once.
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 20:49    Post subject:  

Specs:

Dell Vostro 1520 notebook

https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/dell/vostro_1520/310157/

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Dell Support 44 downloads

https://www.dell.com/support/home/au/en/audhs1/product-support/product/vostro-1520/drivers


Realtek RTL-8100C Ethernet Controller

Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Module (Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR)

Dell Wireless WLAN 1397 Half MiniCard (4312bg), Wireless WLAN 1510 Half MiniCard (4322), Dell Wireless 1397, 1510 Half MiniCard,

Intel Intel(R) WiFi Link 5300, Intel(R) WiFi Link 5100, Intel(R) WiFi Link 5000 Series WLAN Half-Mini Card, v.TIC153101, A02

Dell Wireless 5530 HSPA Mini-Card Driver

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The problem with Dell is they are A..holes at the best of times.

Is your download 32 or 64?

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-bionic/bionicpup64/

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-bionic/bionicpup32/

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I would try a Radky Stretch with extra drivers
or his newer Buster Pup.

Stretch just works for me and is up to RC5?

Buster Pup is on first release...so maybe wait.
I have a similar Dell for my wife...a freebie I got years ago.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112125

stretch-7.5-uefi-k4.1.48.iso (7-Jul-2019)

Optional fdrv.sfs with comprehensive firmware (20-Jun-2019)

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BusterPup 8.0 CE (Beta-1)

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=116570

buster-8.0-uefi-k4.19.56.iso (12-Jul-2019)

Optional fdrv.sfs with comprehensive firmware (20-Jun-2019)

Chris.
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Brant

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 21:27    Post subject:  

I have been using 64 bit versions throughout.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 11:11    Post subject:  

Quote:
Running on the Vostro:
Xenial Pup shows eth0 with the r8169 module
wlan0 with the b43 module

I installed the b43 module without result, and then installed the b43 legacy module, both without result. I shut down and restarted, again without result.


Bionicpup may not be turning on the WIFI when it boots.
Most laptops have a way to turn WIFI off/on.
See if using whatever switch or key combo to turn WIFI off/on helps.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 12:15    Post subject:  

The purpose of an operating system is to run applications. I try out and maintain newer Puppies as the devs publish them. So once in a while I'll boot into BionicPup64 or dpupbuster64.

But my default operating system is, and remains, Xenialpup64. As yet, I've found no advantage in switching to a newer Puppy. What I have done, however, is to swap a newer kernel for the one packaged in the ISO by 666philb in 2016. Newer kernels include patches against spectre and meldown exploits discovered after Xenialpup64 was published.

While there's a pet somewhere which automates kernel swapping, I do it manually as it takes less than 5 minutes. A 'kernel package' usually consists of a vmlinuz and a zdrv.sfs. The vmlinuz is, in fact, the kernel. The zdrv.sfs contains the drivers compiled to work with THAT vmlinuz. You can either download a 'Huge Kernel' package or flinch the vmlinuz and zdrv.sfs from a different Puppy's ISO. Drivers need firmware; but firmware is universal; meaning it doesn't have to be compiled against a specific kernel. The zdrv.sfs of many Puppies (and 'kernel packages') include firmware. But, for example, those published by peebee do not. Rather, he provides an fdrv.sfs which contains firmware that can be used with any Puppy. You can find one here, https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/Other/huge-kernels/.

All recent Puppies are 'fdrv.sfs' aware: that is if there's an fdrv.sfs in Puppy's Folder the Puppy will use it. It is possible that BionicPup64 has the driver required by the b43 module but doesn't have the firmware. So the first thing I would try is to download either the fdrv.sfs from the above link, or from the link cthisbear provided. Place it in your BionicPup64 folder and rename it "fdrv_bionicpup64_8.0.sfs" --without the quotes-- and reboot.

That's basically all you have to do to swap kernels. In packages the name vmlinuz will be followed by a kernel version identifier. You just delete the identifier. The zdrv.sfs will have the name 'kernel-modules.sfs-VERSION-IDENTIFIER'. Just rename it, as shown above with regard to fdrv,sfs, to zdrv_PUPPYVERSION_NUMBER.sfs.

As a safety precaution, I move the 'old vmlinuz & zdrv.sfs' into a folder, then drop the new ones into the places just vacated. This can be done on the Puppy you have booted into. Then reboot.

My Xenialpup64 is currently using peebee's 5.0.13-lxpup64 together with his fdrv.sfs. I see, however, that he has since published two newer 'hugh-kernel' packages, https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/Other/LxPupSc/interims/, 5.2.9 and 5.1.16. But, I don't have your problem with the b43 wifi module. You may have to try out different kernel packages to find one that can handle it. See this thread, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=894414#894414. Links to the newest kernel packages will be found at the end of the that thread.

Obviously, if you want to use BionicPup64 you can also try swapping kernels to see if some version has the b43 drivers.

For those who didn't know: 64-bit kernels can usually be used with 32-bit operating systems, but never vice-versa. Some old (2005 or later) computers sold with 32-bit operating systems actually contain 64-bit architecture but do not have the 64-bit flag set. This can be overcome by including 'force-pae' as a kernel boot argument, e.g. kernel /.... forcepae. Only a very few 2005 or later computers actually can ONLY use a kernel compiled as nopae.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 21:04    Post subject:  

" Bionicpup may not be turning on the WIFI when it boots. "

Well known.

My Dell Studio XPS 14" around 2009 can do that.

No light = no wireless.
Check it.

Toggle >> FN+F2 to turn the wifi on or off.
Some used F2 only to turn on wifi.

Chris.
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 05:17    Post subject:  

hi Brant,

try installing this .pet and see if your wifi works then ... might need a reboot http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-bionic64/broadcom_sta-6.30.223.271_k4.19.23_amd.pet

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Brant

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 21:43    Post subject:  

And bingo!
Having installed the pet suggested by 666philb, Bionic Pup now sees the wireless connection.
Many thanks for every every comment and suggestion that was offered--they have provided me with a great deal of food for thought.
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