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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 19:05    Post subject:
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That is amazing mate - I for one would love to try it - who knows could be the answer to running a newer gtk3 browser in 4.311 Phoenix.

Google Earth sounds awesome.Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 19:25    Post subject:  

Well, from my experiences with it so far, I can't see why it wouldn't be possible.

Watchdog tells me that he runs quite a number of apps in this way, and in fact he does the same as I've done.....put the entire thing on an external partition and runs it from there. The advantage of this is that you simply add programs manually, & generate new scripts, as you do so. If you're running from an SFS, you'd have to tear it down and do a re-pack every time you added something new.

Anyway; I'll get it uploaded, and you can give it a test-drive, see what ya think. I'll post the link shortly.


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 19:51    Post subject:  

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Hi, Darren.

I'm full of surprises, aren't I? How's about this, then.....





A fairly recent Chromium-based browser, running in 431! In fact it's my Chrome 48 replacement; Iron 69, only a few releases old. And all made possible through the magic of a 'chrooted jail'.....

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I got to thinking, earlier today. Watchdog let me have his 'chrooted' version of Palemoon 28.6.1 to try out here in 431, and it runs well, if a bit slower than I would have perhaps expected, given how lightweight Palemoon is.

I've wanted to get a 'modern' Chromium-based browser running in several of my older Pups for some time. Accordingly, I unpacked his SFS of Palemoon, to see how he did it. It essentially uses a pristine copy of Precise, sitting inside a container, with Palemoon manually installed to the appropriate locations, and a bunch of scripts tying it all together, with a .desktop entry outside the 'jail' to start it.

I knew I'd need something a bit newer than Precise to run Iron 69; from experimentation, Tahrpup is the oldest that doesn't bitch & complain about stuff missing. So; I unpacked the Tahr ISO. I unpacked, and copied over, the main SFS. I also copied over the contents of the z_drv, since Tahrpup was one of the first Puppies to make kernel swaps easy by doing so.

Iron was then manually installed, along with the required up-to-date GTK-3.0 stuff. I'd already assembled an Iron package a while back, which uses an extra directory containing all the up-to-date libNSS stuff from the then current Palemoon, called via 'LD_PRELOAD'.....so I used this one. Last but not least, the current version of PepperFlash.

I packed all this up into an SFS, fired up Precise 571, loaded the SFS, and hit the 'Go' button. Damn me if it didn't work, too.....!!

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I then hit on the bright idea of 'installing' the 'virtual' Tahr install in its directory to one of my large, external data partitions, and knocked up a .pet to sym-link it into '/', along with installing the scripts and .desktop entry. Naturally enough, if it worked OK, once again I could do the same as with other browsers; share a single browser between multiple Pups.

It worked.....so I thought, 'I've got to give it a try, haven't I?' I re-booted into 4.3.11, installed the sym-link/scripts .pet, and fired it up from the terminal for the first run to see what (if any) error messages I got. After a few seconds of all the guff that Chromium-based browsers always spit out, well; you could have knocked me down with a feather.....

In the words of Dr. Frankenstein....."It's ALIVE!!!" A-maz-ing. I'm still gobsmacked. I wouldn't have thought it possible for a Pup of this vintage to run a browser built nearly a decade after its release, but there ya go, mate.

(And the astonishing thing is, that where the chrooted Palemoon actually seems slower than usual, the chrooted Iron is so fast in 4.3.11 it's almost unreal..! Very surprising for what is essentially a big, heavyweight browser.)

Posting from it now.....

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It's a big old package as an SFS; nearly 470 MB packed, and expands to almost 900MB when unpacked.....but you are basically running one Puppy inside another. I know we're all very fond of quoting the small size of Puppy ISOs, but most of us tend to forget that when installed, they're considerably larger.

Still; if anybody feels crazy enough to want to give this a try, I'll be posting a link for the SFS a bit later.....

The next task on the agenda is to see if I can get a 7-series Google Earth running. It's got to be a 7-series, 'cos Google turned off the 6-series servers nearly a year ago. Buggers! Laughing


Mike. Wink


Sounds interesting. I might give it a try. BTW I agree that Iron is a very good browser.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 21:41    Post subject:  

Hi, Darren/all.

Okey-dokey. For anybody mad enough to want to try this 'chrooted' Iron 69 browser, here you go:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12FfIx4Ea2xK3XK371n9ewKHxpuswkw-S/view?usp=sharing

Have fun, and.....enjoy. All 1100+ MB of it when unpacked! (Don't forget, there's also some 230 MB of browser in there, in addition to nearly 900 MB of Tahr 606.....)


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 22:45    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
Hi, Darren/all.

Okey-dokey. For anybody mad enough to want to try this 'chrooted' Iron 69 browser, here you go:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12FfIx4Ea2xK3XK371n9ewKHxpuswkw-S/view?usp=sharing

Have fun, and.....enjoy. All 1100+ MB of it when unpacked! (Don't forget, there's also some 230 MB of browser in there, in addition to nearly 900 MB of Tahr 606.....)


Mike. Wink



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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 00:09    Post subject:
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@Mike

Wow this thing is fast and video is pretty damn good. Thanks for effort Mike and Watchdog for the chroot idea/concept.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 01:27    Post subject:
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Was going to release a new iso but not much changes so made a tar.gz with the .pets that would have been in new iso..
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/phoenix%204.31%20-%20service%20pack%2025%20August%202019.tar.gz

Included is a libvpx .pet.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 08:00    Post subject:
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darry19662018 wrote:
@Mike

Wow this thing is fast and video is pretty damn good. Thanks for effort Mike and Watchdog for the chroot idea/concept.


Well-l-l, we do what we can..! Laughing I'm running this with the 'jail' sym-linked into '/' from a remote partition, so's I can share it with other Puppies.

Actually, it's useful for me, because it's the first time I've been able to get a decent, modern browser running in Lucid and Racy 5.5, too. I've also set up Google Earth & FF68ESR in the 'jail' as well; both worked fine in Racy last night.

I'll also be using Iron in Slacko 560, Precise 571 and UPup Raring. The Firefox browsers run fine in those natively.

Tried in Lucid this morning. Iron runs A-OK. Google Earth crashes with a sigterm'; 'Caught signal 11'. I've had that on other Pups with various versions of GE, so.....it's perhaps just one of those things. It runs fine in modern Puppies; I'm not looking forward to the day when Google decide to turn off the servers for all their desktop clients, and force everybody to use the web version. Because that'll be the end of the road for Linux users, unless you're running a powerful, modern system with a separate GPU and proprietary drivers; that'll be the only way you can access the hardware acceleration features of the browser which the web version of GE demands.

Kinda pisses you off, doesn't it? Google happily nick loads of open-source code from the community, then use that code to 'cut-off' the very people that made things possible for them.....

*sheesh*

I can't get too mad at 'em, though; despite being nosey, and wanting every last little bit of personal data they can get their hands on, they do make damn good browsers & stuff. We know the Chromium Project is promoted as a separate entity from Google themselves, but it's common knowledge that it's really just one of Google's R & D departments, since they sponsor the whole thing.......and periodically help themselves to the code-base for Chrome itself.

And their 'cloud' suite of web-apps all integrate beautifully with no end of other stuff on the web, and just make life easy. I've been using much of it for years, so I'm in no position to complain..... Embarassed Smile

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Now; with regard to FF68ESR. That fired-up in Lucid, but all I got was a blank, black screen. I haven't tried this out in 4.3.11 Phoenix yet, but I'll report back as & when. I'm not surprised, somehow; Lucid seems to present a load of peculiarities that are not present in either previous or subsequent Pups, so.....we'll see.

Glad you like Iron!


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 08:59    Post subject:  

Hi, Darren/all.

Well, this is alright and no mistake. I have good news, boys & girls: not only will Iron 69 run in 4.3.11 'Phoenix' from a chrooted 'jail'.....but so will Firefox Quantum. Yay!

I'm here using the recently released FF68esr.....more specifically, my 'portable' package, 'cos it's a hell of a lot easier to 'install'.

Et.....voila!

[Click to enlarge]





And for my next trick..... Laughing Laughing

(As expected, Google Earth is a no-no. 'Caught signal 11' again..... No worries; there's plenty of other globe-trotting stuff available on the web itself which doesn't throw tantrums on a whim; as good as it is, G.Earth has always been something of a 'primadonna'...)

Never mind. We can't have it all.

In all honesty, I never dreamt that what has been achieved could even be possible in the 'Phoenix'..!

Posting from 68esr now.....and, if anything, this seems even faster than Iron. In fact (dare I say it) it actually makes the built-in Palemoon browser (27.9.4) seem slow by comparison. I can't believe how responsive it is. Now that is some 'trick', yes?


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 14:22    Post subject:  

It is indeed Mike - it is indeed:)
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019, 19:45    Post subject:  

Now, then.

For anyone who's decided to try the 'Chrooted' Iron69,SFS in 4.3.11 'Phoenix', and is happy to leave it at that, you're all set.

Some of you may want to use Firefox 68 esr instead (I know there's a lot of folks who are very suspicious of Google's motives, and want to avoid contact with them wherever possible). That's fine.

Some of you may decide you want to use Firefox as well as Iron. Nowt wrong wi' that, either!

I've put together solutions for both of these latter scenarios.

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Firefox 68 only

1. Download the separate chroot 'jail' from here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LmYHIDPUdkMFYX0-0Itkza0exbQgQdr_/view?usp=sharing

2. Unzip the tarball, and place the resulting /cont directory into /mnt/home, thereby keeping it outside of Puppy-space. THEN (v.imp), sym-link /mnt/home/cont back into Puppy's file-system at '/'. The scripts won't find it otherwise..!

3. Download the FF68esr chroot 'add-on' from here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NHKHq4dWNkYxXc72dOrKgq9dGDxwPMOL/view?usp=sharing

4. This will install the 'portable' Firefox directory within the 'jail', along with the necessary scripts & Menu .desktop entry to control it from outside.

5. FF68esr should fire up from the Menu entry. Enjoy!

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Firefox 68 & Iron 69

Assuming you have the chrooted Iron SFS already loaded, I recommend the following:-

1. Copy the /cont directory, from '/', across to /mnt/home in its entirety. The whole thing, just as it is.

2. You can now unload the Iron SFS package. We won't be needing it anymore, since the 'jail' is now where we want it for the remaining steps.

3. As above, before going any further, sym-link /mnt/home/cont back into Pup's main file-system at '/'.

4. Again, as above, download & install the FF68-chroot_addon.pet. This will add a Menu entry for FF68, in addition to Iron's, along with the necessary scripts to tie it all together.

5. Enjoy using this amazing old Puppy with up-to-date browsers!

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(If anybody would like 'regular' FF-Quantum instead, let me know. I'll put together a chroot-addon package for it.)


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Aug 2019, 03:43    Post subject: chrooted iron 69 browser
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darry19662018 wrote:
Mike Walsh wrote:
Hi, Darren/all.

Okey-dokey. For anybody mad enough to want to try this 'chrooted' Iron 69 browser, here you go:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12FfIx4Ea2xK3XK371n9ewKHxpuswkw-S/view?usp=sharing

Have fun, and.....enjoy. All 1100+ MB of it when unpacked! (Don't forget, there's also some 230 MB of browser in there, in addition to nearly 900 MB of Tahr 606.....)


Mike. Wink


downloaded iron 69. put it in mnt home , won't run for me . am i missing a pet
package sym-link-scripts.pet the rest of the packages work just fine.
thanks for all the hard work! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Aug 2019, 03:57    Post subject:
Subject description: Tixati - A bitorrent client and Pack it, Filezilla 3.8.0
 

From the repos of Carolina Puppy comes Tixati - Biit torrent Client.
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/tixati-1.92.pet

Homepage: https://www.tixati.com/

Also Packit from Carolina.......

https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/PackIt-1.0-lina.pet

A Muggins made .pet version 3.8......
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/FileZilla-3.8.0.pet

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Aug 2019, 06:02    Post subject:  

@ tanker60:-

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downloaded iron 69. put it in mnt home , won't run for me . am i missing a pet
package sym-link-scripts.pet the rest of the packages work just fine.
thanks for all the hard work! Smile
Cool,


Um; ri-i-ight. Okay. Silly question perhaps, but,er..........you have loaded the SFS, haven't you?

Do be aware that the SFS loading mechanism wasn't a standard part of Puppy in those days, so we need to add it manually. The SFS_load .pet from Shinobar is mentioned further back in the thread.

You can find the 'sfs_load' .pet here:-

http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/opt/sfs_load-2.4.pet

Install it. Then, go into /mnt/home. Right-click on the Iron_chroot.sfs package, and you should see an entry for 'sfs_load' in the context menu. Click on that, and follow the instructions.

That should do the trick.

Let us know if that works for you.

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@ Darren:-

Thanks for the Packit .pet, mate. The up-to-date versions of this simply won't work in 'Phoenix'; I'm guessing some of the newer compression formats weren't part of the original 431.

I'm going to give that libfreetypefont.pet a try, too; see if it'll help with the way fonts are appearing.

Cheers.


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