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darry19662018

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 13:11    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
Okay. In Slacko 560 ATM, from where I've got no problems accessing all me Puppy stuff....

Right. If anybody's interested in this FF45ESR w/glibc-219 'tweak'-'portable', here's the link:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aQe2QmFnnT6nPJQac4Q-rPwfQpHN7Ojq/view?usp=sharing

As with all the portables, untar it; move the resulting 'firefox32' directory to wherever you like - outside of Puppy-space, naturally! - and start it from the 'ff' script inside. You can drag this to the desktop and use it as a launcher.

First run, it creates a sub-directory called 'profile', and then creates the profile itself within. Second and subsequent runs, so long as you always start from the 'ff' launcher, it will always use the profile from inside that sub-directory.

Which is what makes it 'portable', of course.....

Enjoy.


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Hi Mike,

The portables are great, I run your Seamonkey portable 2.46 in all other pups it is great.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 15:30    Post subject:  

Hi, Darren.

Ah, I can't take too much credit for them. I mean, OK, yes; I put them together, but credit for the idea belongs to Fred, really.....although according to him, he found the script for the whole 'portable'-application concept just more or less there for the taking, on somewhere like one of the StackExchange Q&A sites. He says it appears to have been knocking around the web for several years, so it's not exactly a new idea, far from it.

It's a very neat concept, though, especially for us here in Puppy-land!

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I've had to exercise the old grey matter a bit this last 48 hrs or so. (Really?? Erm.....what with??? Laughing )

This probably doesn't affect 99% of you trying out this upgraded 431, since I'm guessing the majority of you run with the default desktop, just as it comes. But for me, with my highly-customised desktops.....

I don't know if anybody's really noticed, but during the boot sequence, there's a line that appears around 9 lines down:-

"Checking version update.....layered file-system Next boot will be faster!" (we haven't got pink, so dark red will have to do).....but whenever I see that pink text, saying 'Next boot will be faster!', my heart sinks. It invariably means that the default 'pinboard' will re-appear, and gets jumbled up all amongst & around my own set-up. It occasionally shows up in many of my older Pups, though I'm never quite sure what triggers it; one of them always used to do it every time I 'unloaded' an SFS, for some crazy reason!

This really gets my goat:-

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.....and usually entails several minutes work to straighten out & tidy everything up again. Until now.....'cos I've figured out a way round it. It involves the 'PuppyPin' file, which as many of you know controls ROX's pinboard.....this being what determines icon placement, amongst other things.

I didn't realise until this morning, but experimentation shows that the PuppyPin file is what I call a 'live' file, i.e., changes made on the desktop are immediately echoed to it. I've been in the habit of periodically backing up all my Pup's PuppyPin files, couple of times a week.....but for this particular problem, I need to do this at every shutdown or re-boot ( a restart of 'X' during a session doesn't affect it, seemingly. ) Since my scripting skills are steadily improving, I've done it as follows.

I've created four wee scripts; 2 in /usr/local/bin, and 2 in /usr/bin. The 2 in /usr/local/bin are the ones that do the work; PuppyPin_update.sh, and PuppyPin_reset.sh

I'm keeping a copy of PuppyPin in 431's 'home' sub-directory, so PuppyPin_update.sh deletes the 'old' copy at /mnt/home/Puppy_431/PuppyPin, and copies over the current version from /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin in its place:-

Code:
#!/bin/sh
#
# Update the PuppyPin file
#
rm /mnt/home/Puppy_431/PuppyPin
sleep 2
cp /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin /mnt/home/Puppy_431/PuppyPin


PuppyPin_reset.sh basically does the opposite; deletes /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin, and copies over the PuppyPin file from /mnt/home/Puppy_431/PuppyPin to replace it. It then restarts the 'X' server, as a re-start of JWM doesn't affect the 'pinboard'.

Code:
#!/bin/sh
#
# Reset PuppyPin to custom settings
#
rm /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
sleep 2
cp /mnt/home/Puppy_431/PuppyPin /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin
sleep 2
restartwm


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I've modified the shutdown/restart sequence a wee bit. Instead of the 'Shutdown' and 'Re-boot' commands calling wmpoweroff & wmreboot directly, they now call a pair of little scripts instead.....ppu_shutdown & ppu_reboot, respectively.

These first run the PuppyPin_update.sh, making certain I have a current copy of the pinboard's layout. They then run the re-boot or shutdown commands. Works for me.

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I tried automating the 'reset' action, by putting the PuppyPin_reset.sh script in either /root/Startup or /etc/init.d, but of course, since a restart of 'X' is part of the script, it all just goes into an endless loop, doesn't it? So, it just needs running manually, once.

I have a lot of shortcuts to certain things; either tray launchers, or icons in the notification area that do things when clicked on. To cut down on clutter, I have one icon in the systray that calls a YAD-powered GUI, which gives me multiple options; it's a way of getting a single icon to do the work of several.





In 431, this only has 3 buttons. In some Pups, it might have 7 or 8, depending on what I have installed.

As soon as the desktop's 'settled', I click the 'Utilities' icon, and select 'PupPinReset'. The sequence runs once.....and I'm good for the session

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I could never have imagined, 5-6 years ago, that I'd sooner or later be taking stuff like this for granted..!! And the worst bit is, I'm actually enjoying it.... Shocked Rolling Eyes Smile (What am I like, eh?)


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 19:38    Post subject:  

While I think about it, here's a 'fun' one for you. 'TrayControl', as shown in my 'Utilities' dialog, above.....the 'lazy man's' way to operate your optical drive drawer!

I got the idea from DPup 'Stretch', since radky has added, at the bottom of one of the main sub-menus, an 'Eject' control. And you can do the same thing with Zigbert's pBurn, so I got to thinking.....why not a standalone control for the same thing? Laughing

(It's the size it is because it's YAD-powered, and contains a fairly new version of YAD. Not to worry, though, because YAD is backward-compatible, even with scripts written for really old versions.)

You can read about it, here:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=115970

.....and the .pet can be found here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VCT6shnX2zYGba1PEwzncYKIJEHvRC4-/view?usp=sharing

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In case you were wondering, that is not a recent version of pWidgets, either. It's 2.0.8.....from the 'pet-packages-4' repo at Ibiblio. So it's definitely the same vintage as 4.3.11. Find it here:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-4/pwidgets-2.0.8.pet

I'm re-booting into one of the other Pups, as I need a few things I can't access with this one. I'll post a link to my collection of clock skins for pWidgets when I return...


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2019, 23:24    Post subject:  

Your last post wasn't readable on my computer so read it through going to profile.

I tried the applet and it worked very well on one of my other pups.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 00:01    Post subject: Peasyscale Graphic Image Resizer.  

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77345

Working well and tested in 4.31 Phoenix.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 00:40    Post subject:
Subject description: Rassam Paint and other packages.
 

Hi Mike,

Have you ever tried rassam paint - available here and working in 4.31..
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=94112

and Gimpshop https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/gimpshop-2.2.4-i586-4vl5.pet

P.s. Checked out avidemux appimage - very nice both qt and gtk interfaces work.
Thankyou - wiil upload.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 10:46    Post subject:  

Afternoon, Darren.

Sorry about that last post. I add most of my BBcode myself, and forgot the final square bracket... Embarassed

Tried Rassam Paint; nice......I like it. Gimpshop, well; it installed, but buggered up my existing install of GIMP 2.40rc3! So I uninstalled both, and re-installed the GIMP again. I think I'll give that one a miss..!

Here's one for you. Pupgeek's ROX-app of Cinepaint:-

http://dotpups.de/puppy4/dotpups/PupGeeksHassleFreeRoxapps/

It's another of those that just seems to run in everything you throw it at. Some of the others on that page might be worth a try; I haven't had time to do so yet. The link for Cinepaint I got from an old thread that's been revived recently.

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I'm not very keen on absvolume and zmixer, so I've stripped 'em out and replaced 'em with pizzasgood's original Retrovol .pet. It works nicely; I prefer Retrovol, 'cos if you select the 'Logarithmic' scale selection rather than the 'Linear' one, you can get a lot more volume out of your hardware. Useful for those old laptops, etc., that seem to have trouble producing enough volume even at maximum.....

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=50744

I haven't yet figured out how to prevent the mixer window from opening when it fires up - I've simply sym-linked /usr/bin/retrovol into /root/Startup. I'll figure it out sooner or later. I'll have a scout around in some of the newer Pups, see how it's been done in those.

No doubt I'll find some more stuff for you.... Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 10:48    Post subject:  

I am trying this on a retro laptop p2 266 160 ram
It all works. No browsers work. I think seamonkey needs a cpu with newer instructions sse2.
So far though the puppy 4.3 runs the best on the machine. I updated the kde version someone made. It runs very smooth. Its a fun alternative to a mod xp i made for this.
Has there been a pet package for bluetooth for this version of puppy?
Also is there a package for alsa amixer. I did something and i can install the sound card but I think the amixer is missing.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 14:49    Post subject:  

Hi Mike,

Yes retrovol is by far the best mixer for this Pup or any pup to be honest.Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 14:53    Post subject:  

kschewe wrote:
I am trying this on a retro laptop p2 266 160 ram
It all works. No browsers work. I think seamonkey needs a cpu with newer instructions sse2.
So far though the puppy 4.3 runs the best on the machine. I updated the kde version someone made. It runs very smooth. Its a fun alternative to a mod xp i made for this.
Has there been a pet package for bluetooth for this version of puppy?
Also is there a package for alsa amixer. I did something and i can install the sound card but I think the amixer is missing.


Hello yes bluetooth something that started to be looked at in the Slacko era - very good question by the way. This is something I have been thinking about - It to be honest is a totally unexplored option - As this is an experimental Pup - might be time to try it:)

P.S. In the meantime here is a Puppy Linux wiki article I have knocked together about bluetooth on Puppy - I would study up the articles to learn more:
http://wikka.puppylinux.com/Bluetooth

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 16:45    Post subject:
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@kschewe

Here is amixer if you have accidently deleted it attached rename it by deleting .gz from it.

Goes in /usr/bin
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019, 17:32    Post subject:  

darry19662018 wrote:
Hi Mike,

Yes retrovol is by far the best mixer for this Pup or any pup to be honest.Smile


Oh, YES. Very definitely.

It's silly, really. In my early days with Puppy, I spent a lot of time looking for ways to 'replace' Retrovol with more 'fancy' looking tray controls/mixers. How time (and experience) changes your opinion; I've long since come to realise that most of those fancy-looking setups can't do half the things that Retrovol can.....and they're nowhere near as versatile, as well as consuming lots more space.

I think Retrovol's best feature, by a country mile, has to be the way you can configure absolutely everything about it. Most other volume controls are of 'fixed' dimensions; personally, to my way of thinking, most of them are too small.....and awkward to use. If I want to make Retrovol's tray slider the height of the screen, and half its width, I can!!

Extreme example, I know, but configuring Retrovol is one of the first things I do when setting up any Pup. It's probably true to say that I definitely prefer somewhat 'beefier' sliders than the default setup.....both in the tray, and the mixer window itself.

And, in truth, ever since acquiring my Logitech headset (with boom mike), which has its own built-in sound card - makes doing screencasts a breeze (select the right card with the Multiple Sound Card Wizard, and then there's just two controls to worry about!) - I have to admit that Pup's default ALSA set-up is pretty robust, and works very well. Oh, I've 'modernised' many of my older Pups by using the access 'modules' from the newer ones (standalone scripts, every one of them).....but at the end of the day, they're mainly just more modern GUIs, with perhaps a few less clicks, through having a few of the previous 'manual' steps automated instead.

I love playing around with Pup, because I can (and I have the time to spare..!!)

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(BTW, that 'fix' for stopping the mixer window showing, when Retrovol fires up at boot time? Rather than sym-link it into /root/Startup, the newer Pups use a wee script in /root/Startup, called 'retrovol_tray'.....as follows:-

Code:
#!/bin/sh
retrovol -hide &


That's all it takes; I'm guessing the '-hide' flag is one you set at build-time when you compile it.)


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 01:01    Post subject:
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darry19662018 wrote:
@kschewe

Here is amixer if you have accidently deleted it attached rename it by deleting .gz from it.

Goes in /usr/bin


Thanks I will give it a try.

It would be neat to have a full iso of 4.3 with all these programs on it. I was using the arcade 11 4.3 for a bit since it was one of the more updated builds with newer programs.

Bluetooth is probably a long shot. I tried a few things with other packs for newer pups and even a few windows drivers.
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 06:35    Post subject:
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A new simple app for Puppyland flmusic
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/fltk-1.3.4.2.pet
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/flmusic-1.2.1.pet
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/sox-14.3.0-p4.pet

Flrec
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/flrec-0.13.pet

Fleditor

https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/fltk-editor-1.3.4.2.pet
https://archive.org/download/pup4.311glibc2.19palemoon2.794sserev1/libjpeg-9c.pet

Of course for these 3 apps you will need fltk, sox for flmusic and libjpeg9 for fleditor. Nice simple apps from the Slitaz stable - cooking repo.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Aug 2019, 18:58    Post subject:  

Hi, Darren.

I'm full of surprises, aren't I? How's about this, then.....





A fairly recent Chromium-based browser, running in 431! In fact it's my Chrome 48 replacement; Iron 69, only a few releases old. And all made possible through the magic of a 'chrooted jail'.....

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I got to thinking, earlier today. Watchdog let me have his 'chrooted' version of Palemoon 28.6.1 to try out here in 431, and it runs well, if a bit slower than I would have perhaps expected, given how lightweight Palemoon is.

I've wanted to get a 'modern' Chromium-based browser running in several of my older Pups for some time. Accordingly, I unpacked his SFS of Palemoon, to see how he did it. It essentially uses a pristine copy of Precise, sitting inside a container, with Palemoon manually installed to the appropriate locations, and a bunch of scripts tying it all together, with a .desktop entry outside the 'jail' to start it.

I knew I'd need something a bit newer than Precise to run Iron 69; from experimentation, Tahrpup is the oldest that doesn't bitch & complain about stuff missing. So; I unpacked the Tahr ISO. I unpacked, and copied over, the main SFS. I also copied over the contents of the z_drv, since Tahrpup was one of the first Puppies to make kernel swaps easy by doing so.

Iron was then manually installed, along with the required up-to-date GTK-3.0 stuff. I'd already assembled an Iron package a while back, which uses an extra directory containing all the up-to-date libNSS stuff from the then current Palemoon, called via 'LD_PRELOAD'.....so I used this one. Last but not least, the current version of PepperFlash.

I packed all this up into an SFS, fired up Precise 571, loaded the SFS, and hit the 'Go' button. Damn me if it didn't work, too.....!!

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I then hit on the bright idea of 'installing' the 'virtual' Tahr install in its directory to one of my large, external data partitions, and knocked up a .pet to sym-link it into '/', along with installing the scripts and .desktop entry. Naturally enough, if it worked OK, once again I could do the same as with other browsers; share a single browser between multiple Pups.

It worked.....so I thought, 'I've got to give it a try, haven't I?' I re-booted into 4.3.11, installed the sym-link/scripts .pet, and fired it up from the terminal for the first run to see what (if any) error messages I got. After a few seconds of all the guff that Chromium-based browsers always spit out, well; you could have knocked me down with a feather.....

In the words of Dr. Frankenstein....."It's ALIVE!!!" A-maz-ing. I'm still gobsmacked. I wouldn't have thought it possible for a Pup of this vintage to run a browser built nearly a decade after its release, but there ya go, mate.

(And the astonishing thing is, that where the chrooted Palemoon actually seems slower than usual, the chrooted Iron is so fast in 4.3.11 it's almost unreal..! Very surprising for what is essentially a big, heavyweight browser.)

Posting from it now.....

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It's a big old package as an SFS; nearly 470 MB packed, and expands to almost 900MB when unpacked.....but you are basically running one Puppy inside another. I know we're all very fond of quoting the small size of Puppy ISOs, but most of us tend to forget that when installed, they're considerably larger.

Still; if anybody feels crazy enough to want to give this a try, I'll be posting a link for the SFS a bit later.....

The next task on the agenda is to see if I can get a 7-series Google Earth running. It's got to be a 7-series, 'cos Google turned off the 6-series servers nearly a year ago. Buggers! Laughing


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